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post #3991 of 7018
1/5/13 at 3:12pm
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Marcus,
You are a saint, man. I'm interested to see what new measurements could reveal.
Go measure smile.gif
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1/5/13 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by IgorZep View Post

Markus, you are too ambitious smile.gif Do you really believe the boost just disappears? I did 3-position measurements with very close 3 mic. positions several times, results were the same. Always.
I did get better-sounding result occasionally when calibrating with another Aud. mic. but I had it only for a day and have no measurements with that mic... Unfortunately.

Was the other microphone the same model that comes with the 818? You might simply have a defective microphone. You can't just use any microphone to do the calibration, the frequency response is calibrated for the specific model mic that comes with a given model AVR. In the case of the 818, to get XT32 to calibrate properly you must use the model of microphone that comes with it.

Someone several months back reported results similar to yours in which they felt that certain frequencies sounded wrong after Audyssey calibration. In their case it was simply a defective microphone. If you haven't swapped the microphone out for another identical one and re-tried your calibration then you don't actually know that there is anything wrong with your AVR.
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post #3993 of 7018
1/5/13 at 3:45pm
^^
Although generally true, the mic used with the 818 is the same mic used with the 515 as well as every other model in the 2012 series. As it turns out, Audyssey mics used on any Denon, Marantz, or Onkyo model over the past 3 years can be used interchangeably on any other model among the same brand names within the same time period.
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post #3994 of 7018
1/5/13 at 3:50pm
Surely it is the ACM1HB smile.gif

I believe there is a problem with my mic. But even the defective mic cannot explain the boost below F3... Even Chris from Audyssey agreed on that. The bug is there, hopefully it will not be triggered also with the replacement mic when I get it. But if not the mic. but the speakers or room are creating similar looking problems to Audyssey - this boosting can be triggered also... This really sounds like returning the old normalization problem...
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post #3995 of 7018
1/5/13 at 4:05pm
can we use the 818 to process sound only?no video processing
can we just run an HDMI cable directly from the blu ray player to the display
and run some sort of audio cable from the bluray to the receiver for audio precessing?
is this possible?
pardon my ignorance
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post #3996 of 7018
1/5/13 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by domingos38 View Post

can we use the 818 to process sound only?no video processing
can we just run an HDMI cable directly from the blu ray player to the display
and run some sort of audio cable from the bluray to the receiver for audio precessing?
is this possible?
pardon my ignorance

Yes, you can run separate HDMI cables from the BD (or other device) to the display and 818 to bypass it.
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1/5/13 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by domingos38 View Post

can we use the 818 to process sound only?no video processing
can we just run an HDMI cable directly from the blu ray player to the display
and run some sort of audio cable from the bluray to the receiver for audio precessing?
is this possible?
pardon my ignorance

It is possible as long as the source have several outs and the display have a lot of inputs and you have to switch the sources on both the AVR and the display when you want to change source... This all defeats the whole purpose of the AVR to be the hub for all the sources. If you want to workaround 24p bug you can just use SUB HDMI output, but you will loose ARC and OSD then. But your workaround is even more complicated. Remember that many digital audio formats are only supported over HDMI and not with optical/coaxial cable, so you should have two HDMI outs on your source to get the best from it.
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post #3998 of 7018
1/5/13 at 4:26pm
NR818 Owners, i have a question for u guys, what do u have the Ohm (impedance) setting set to on your Recievers? by default its set to 6ohm mode, my speakers are 8ohm, should i change that setting to 8ohm or leave the reciever at 6ohm?
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post #3999 of 7018
1/5/13 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

It will show TrueHD on the front panel. Babgvant is just telling you that there are other ways to do it ( On-screen or through the Apps).

I've played a number of Blu Ray discs in the two weeks I've had my 818, including Avatar which is DTS-HD Master Audio, and it never shows up on the panel. Do I have to have a particular listening mode selected to make it happen?
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post #4000 of 7018
1/5/13 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

NR818 Owners, i have a question for u guys, what do u have the Ohm (impedance) setting set to on your Recievers? by default its set to 6ohm mode, my speakers are 8ohm, should i change that setting to 8ohm or leave the reciever at 6ohm?
There is no 8 Ohm setting... You should leave 6 Ohm if all your speakers are 6 Ohm or more.
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1/5/13 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by IgorZep View Post

It is possible as long as the source have several outs and the display have a lot of inputs and you have to switch the sources on both the AVR and the display when you want to change source... This all defeats the whole purpose of the AVR to be the hub for all the sources. If you want to workaround 24p bug you can just use SUB HDMI output, but you will loose ARC and OSD then. But your workaround is even more complicated. Remember that many digital audio formats are only supported over HDMI and not with optical/coaxial cable, so you should have two HDMI outs on your source to get the best from it.

ARC , OSD?

So if i use SUB HDMI will the receiver still process all the diferent sound codecs like MASTER HD etc?
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1/5/13 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by IgorZep View Post

There is no 8 Ohm setting... You should leave 6 Ohm if all your speakers are 6 Ohm or more.

thanks alot man
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post #4003 of 7018
1/5/13 at 4:48pm
This 24 fps thing is pretty bad, IMHO. I was looking into the 818 over the Denon 2313 and... well... I think the 818 is immediately removed because of the 24 fps issue.

Quick question: Does the 818 have a mode were it only messes with video when you want to overlay something on top of the view (such as the volume) but otherwise is just passthrough? If that's the case, I might be able to live with this broken behavior.

Thanks!
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1/5/13 at 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by domingos38 View Post

ARC , OSD?
So if i use SUB HDMI will the receiver still process all the diferent sound codecs like MASTER HD etc?

ARC - Audio Return Channel
OSD - On Screen Display

SUB HDMI out is the receiver connection to the TV, so it will continue to process everything from inputs. The only problem is that SUB is not usable for ARC, so the audio from your TV will not be passed through the same HDMI cable and optical will not allow you to pass HD-MA audio etc., but in reality TVs (at least today) usually are not capable to pass through ARC anything above ordinary DolbyDigital either, so you probably do not lose anything, but it is only today, if you change your TV in future and the new TV will be able to play tracks with HD-MA you will not be able to pass it through the receivers SUB out.
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post #4005 of 7018
1/5/13 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

This 24 fps thing is pretty bad, IMHO. I was looking into the 818 over the Denon 2313 and... well... I think the 818 is immediately removed because of the 24 fps issue.
Quick question: Does the 818 have a mode were it only messes with video when you want to overlay something on top of the view (such as the volume) but otherwise is just passthrough? If that's the case, I might be able to live with this broken behavior.
Thanks!

I'm not sure what you are asking. If you want to bypass the video processor on the 818, and actually avoid the issue you just need to use the secondary HDMI sub-out.... the OSD, etc, is pretty much disabled although on-screen volume control still works for HD source material.
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post #4006 of 7018
1/5/13 at 5:11pm
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

I'm not sure what you are asking. If you want to bypass the video processor on the 818, and actually avoid the issue you just need to use the secondary HDMI sub-out.... the OSD, etc, is pretty much disabled although on-screen volume control still works for HD source material.

Thanks. Just to make sure I've got this right. If my bluray player is outputting real 1080/24p (23.9xxx fps) and it is connected to the 818 via HDMI, then if I hook my display up to the 818 using "secondary HDMI sub-out" then

1) the 818 doesn't mess with the real 1080/24p (23.9xxx fps)
2) I still see OSD for volume

If that's right, I wonder if it messes with the 24fps (23.9xxx fps) while the OSD is displayed...

Thanks again

Updated: Since no one responded yet, I wanted to add...

I've been looking through the 818 manual for this topic. It says that if you set "Monitor Out" to "Sub" then the "Resolution" parameter is forced to be "Through". The "Through" setting is just a passthrough ("same resolution with no conversions"). The manual doesn't say, however, that the OSD will be displayed on this output (it doesn't say it will not either). This seems to support my understanding (above) of jmpage2's info.
Edited by MadMyers - 1/5/13 at 5:47pm
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post #4007 of 7018
1/5/13 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by IgorZep View Post

ARC - Audio Return Channel
OSD - On Screen Display
SUB HDMI out is the receiver connection to the TV, so it will continue to process everything from inputs. The only problem is that SUB is not usable for ARC, so the audio from your TV will not be passed through the same HDMI cable and optical will not allow you to pass HD-MA audio etc., but in reality TVs (at least today) usually are not capable to pass through ARC anything above ordinary DolbyDigital either, so you probably do not lose anything, but it is only today, if you change your TV in future and the new TV will be able to play tracks with HD-MA you will not be able to pass it through the receivers SUB out.
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Originally Posted by IgorZep View Post

ARC - Audio Return Channel
OSD - On Screen Display
SUB HDMI out is the receiver connection to the TV, so it will continue to process everything from inputs. The only problem is that SUB is not usable for ARC, so the audio from your TV will not be passed through the same HDMI cable and optical will not allow you to pass HD-MA audio etc., but in reality TVs (at least today) usually are not capable to pass through ARC anything above ordinary DolbyDigital either, so you probably do not lose anything, but it is only today, if you change your TV in future and the new TV will be able to play tracks with HD-MA ouu will not be able to pass it through the receivers SUB out.

receiver is not connected to a tv
i have a projector and speakers
will that work?
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post #4008 of 7018
1/5/13 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by domingos38 View Post

receiver is not connected to a tv
i have a projector and speakers
will that work?

Hardly projector outputs any audio, so yes, it will work.
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post #4009 of 7018
1/5/13 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by IgorZep View Post

Hardly projector outputs any audio, so yes, it will work.


Thanks Igor
Appreciate your help
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post #4010 of 7018
1/5/13 at 5:37pm
So having my 818 for a month now and after reading this tread back and forward i have to say .... no problems with 24fps , maybe got lucky , i don't know !!! I'm using a Panasonic BDT100 a Sharp Aquos LC-52D85U and a Epson 8350 . I had a flickering problem with the 8350 but was due to the HDMI cable that was replaced by a new one .
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post #4011 of 7018
1/5/13 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by almadacr View Post

So having my 818 for a month now and after reading this tread back and forward i have to say .... no problems with 24fps , maybe got lucky , i don't know !!! I'm using a Panasonic BDT100 a Sharp Aquos LC-52D85U and a Epson 8350 . I had a flickering problem with the 8350 but was due to the HDMI cable that was replaced by a new one .

Well, to be more accurate, in all likelihood your 818 does have the problem you just haven't observed it, or your gear isn't set to where you would see it.
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post #4012 of 7018
1/5/13 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

Thanks. Just to make sure I've got this right. If my bluray player is outputting real 1080/24p (23.9xxx fps) and it is connected to the 818 via HDMI, then if I hook my display up to the 818 using "secondary HDMI sub-out" then
1) the 818 doesn't mess with the real 1080/24p (23.9xxx fps)
2) I still see OSD for volume
If that's right, I wonder if it messes with the 24fps (23.9xxx fps) while the OSD is displayed...
Thanks again
Updated: Since no one responded yet, I wanted to add...
I've been looking through the 818 manual for this topic. It says that if you set "Monitor Out" to "Sub" then the "Resolution" parameter is forced to be "Through". The "Through" setting is just a passthrough ("same resolution with no conversions"). The manual doesn't say, however, that the OSD will be displayed on this output (it doesn't say it will not either). This seems to support my understanding (above) of jmpage2's info.

Yeah, unfortunately the manual is wrong... even in a video mode that is supposed to "pass through" the video signal, the 818 still messes with the frequency of the signal.

You have it correct... if you use the sub-out you will avoid this problem, but you will not have any video processing abilities on this output.... you will also not have the OSD (you can set menu items through the AVR display or by hooking up a separate monitor to the main output for when you are setting things. You do get OSD volume control with the sub-out, it just looks different than it does with the main out OSD.
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1/5/13 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Well, to be more accurate, in all likelihood your 818 does have the problem you just haven't observed it, or your gear isn't set to where you would see it.

Can you explain " what part of my gear is not set " ??? to where i should see it ?? I read that some guys complaining about it but i don't see 100% of the posters complaining about it ( i even delayed my purchased based on this ) . Other thing that intrigues me is how this passed by professional reviews and yes i take all reviews with a grain of salt .
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post #4014 of 7018
1/5/13 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by 6sj7gt View Post

The Apple AirPort Express will stream bit for bit perfect digital audio over its optical output. Obviously the audio source must be DTS encoded to begin with. All streaming to the Express is encoded using the Apple Lossless codec which preserves DTS encoding, if present in the source.
Then, make sure you do all of the following in iTunes:
  • Disable iTunes volume control for remote speakers
  • iTunes volume slider: all the way up
  • Disable all audio modification options, such as
    • Sound Enhancer
    • Crossfade playback
    • Sound Check
    • "Equalizer" eek.gif
These options may appear in different places for different iTunes versions.
Then, enjoy bit-for-bit perfect DTS audio sent wirelessly from your Macs to your 818.

Thanks ill try it. It would be nice to get DTS.
I have been using my phone to stream to the express. Am I actually using ITunes when I use my phone? Or is it just using the phone?
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1/5/13 at 6:29pm
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Yeah, unfortunately the manual is wrong... even in a video mode that is supposed to "pass through" the video signal, the 818 still messes with the frequency of the signal.
You have it correct... if you use the sub-out you will avoid this problem, but you will not have any video processing abilities on this output.... you will also not have the OSD (you can set menu items through the AVR display or by hooking up a separate monitor to the main output for when you are setting things. You do get OSD volume control with the sub-out, it just looks different than it does with the main out OSD.

Thanks again. I spent the last 45 minutes digging through this topic looking for the 24fps issue... I read this from a post back in september. Do we still agree with it?

"If you use the HDMI MAIN output and set Monitor Out to MAIN, and you set Resolution to Through, then the problem doesn't occur." (my words, a summary of what I read)

Given what was recently written, I'm suspicious about what I just wrote being correct. I'm sorry to ask all these questions. Unfortunately not everyone posted their config when they presented their findings...

And one more follow-up question...

Can one configure the Monitor Out mode to be specific to an "input"? For example, can I have monitor out be MAIN when using bluray input and monitor out be SUB when using the game1 input?

Much thanks
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post #4016 of 7018
1/5/13 at 6:33pm
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

Do we still agree with it?
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Can one configure the Monitor Out mode to be specific to an "input"?

No and No.
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1/5/13 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by almadacr View Post

Can you explain " what part of my gear is not set " ??? to where i should see it ?? I read that some guys complaining about it but i don't see 100% of the posters complaining about it ( i even delayed my purchased based on this ) . Other thing that intrigues me is how this passed by professional reviews and yes i take all reviews with a grain of salt .

do u have your blu-ray player set to 24p or is it off(60hz) i doubt your set is capable so it's displaying 3:2 pulldown. i avoid the issue by having my player set to 24p off, display using 3:2
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1/5/13 at 7:28pm
did u guys try to set Monitor out to SOURCE and then for each individual input set the Output to DIRECT under Picture Adjust? that bypasses any modification to the signal by the 818, it leaves the signal untouched.
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1/5/13 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

did u guys try to set Monitor out to SOURCE and then for each individual input set the Output to DIRECT under Picture Adjust? that bypasses any modification to the signal by the 818, it leaves the signal untouched.

No, it doesn't.
We wouldn't be having this discussion if it were as trivial as that...
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post #4020 of 7018
1/5/13 at 7:55pm
Guys,

Running into a small scenario, where switching off tv, also switches off my 818.

I know this issue is linked to ARC, and if i disable RIHD, it should solve itself. Is there any other solution to this?

Thanks,
ATS
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