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post #4291 of 9491
Have any of you ever encountered this scenario (or heard of this happening to anyone)? I have the 717 and the only way the Audyssey calibration will set my sub to a proper level is if I put the sub's gain to maximum. At that setting I do get a +3dB level on my SVS sub. I was told by Jack at SVS that either my sub is the culprit rf my Onkyo's sub out is sending too weak of a signal. I'm going to reconnect my old receiver (Pioneer 919) tonight and redo the MCACC calibration to see if it works okay. When I got my new Onkyo last week my Pioneer had a sub level (during calibration) of -1dB with the gain set to 12 o'clock, so if that holds true again then the AVR is indeed the problem.

Edit: I forgot to mention that Audyssey set all of my other channels correctly, so the problem is only with the sub.
post #4292 of 9491
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Have any of you ever encountered this scenario (or heard of this happening to anyone)? I have the 717 and the only way the Audyssey calibration will set my sub to a proper level is if I put the sub's gain to maximum. At that setting I do get a +3dB level on my SVS sub. I was told by Jack at SVS that either my sub is the culprit rf my Onkyo's sub out is sending too weak of a signal. I'm going to reconnect my old receiver (Pioneer 919) tonight and redo the MCACC calibration to see if it works okay. When I got my new Onkyo last week my Pioneer had a sub level (during calibration) of -1dB with the gain set to 12 o'clock, so if that holds true again then the AVR is indeed the problem.

Edit: I forgot to mention that Audyssey set all of my other channels correctly, so the problem is only with the sub.

This is the 818 thread. Anyway, did you set your sub to 75dB in the sub calibration screen? What level does Audyssey report for your sub at the end of the calibration process?
post #4293 of 9491
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

I've attached 2 .mkv files with moving bars that should make the 24fps bug visible. One file is 23.976fps the other 24fps.

MovingBars.zip 273k .zip file
(Source: http://www.avforums.com/forums/11305610-post1.html)

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Originally Posted by Marco Giudice View Post

i wish someone would make a youtube video of this 24p bug already, cuz i cant seem to notice it or find the issue myself and ive had a lot of friends over who are tech savy themselves and dont notice it either... this might be far fetched, but i wonder if its got something to do with the video processing of the avr and the type of display unit/ TV . You are using! cuz i cant seem to believe not one of my friends or myself cant find this issue... Someone please make a youtube video and post it, so i can get an idea of exactly what we need to look for

Plenty of previous posts with this info, here is the video from Markus post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412714/onkyo-tx-nr818-official-owners-thread-discussion/4170#post_22814237
post #4294 of 9491
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

This is the 818 thread. Anyway, did you set your sub to 75dB in the sub calibration screen? What level does Audyssey report for your sub at the end of the calibration process?

I realize this the 818 thread, but so far there isn't an owners' thread for the 717. And the discussion thread (for the 818, 717, and 616) has been abandoned!

Regarding your question about setting my sub to 75dB, the 717 only has Audyssey 2EQ so I don't believe I had the option of setting my sub to 75dB. In answering your other question, Audyssey would not set the level of my sub within the proper ranger (of -3.5dB and +3.5dB) unless I set the gain all the way to maximum. There is obviously something wrong with either my sub or the AVR, which I explained in my post above.
post #4295 of 9491
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I realize this the 818 thread, but so far there isn't an owners' thread for the 717. And the discussion thread (for the 818, 717, and 616) has been abandoned!

Regarding your question about setting my sub to 75dB, the 717 only has Audyssey 2EQ so I don't believe I had the option of setting my sub to 75dB. In answering your other question, Audyssey would not set the level of my sub within the proper ranger (of -3.5dB and +3.5dB) unless I set the gain all the way to maximum. There is obviously something wrong with either my sub or the AVR, which I explained in my post above.

The 717 has only 2EQ? Quite frankly, sell it and get a 818. Equalization is most beneficial at low frequencies. 2EQ doesn't equalize the sub at all.
post #4296 of 9491
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Originally Posted by mar83cin View Post

Hello.I see only PCM on my receiver from my PS3 when playing Blurays,how to get DTS MA or HD to be displayed on the front panel?(Bitstream is set to mix on ps3)...i dont know what i am doing wrong.thank you for your help

Check out this link, it explains exactly what is going on with the PS3 audio and how to properly set it up.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/21/hd-101-how-to-use-dolby-truehd-and-dts-hd-with-your-ps3/
post #4297 of 9491
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

The 717 has only 2EQ? Quite frankly, sell it and get a 818. Equalization is most beneficial at low frequencies. 2EQ doesn't equalize the sub at all.

If you loan me $500 I'll exchange the 717 for the 818. cool.gif
post #4298 of 9491
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Originally Posted by TheaterChad View Post


Plenty of previous posts with this info, here is the video from Markus post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412714/onkyo-tx-nr818-official-owners-thread-discussion/4170#post_22814237
that is the exact video from Markus, I did my testing from. nor my friends or me are seeing it..! so this goes back to someone just make a YouTube video. It'll only take 5 mins from your day and settle what other people aren't seeing besides me.
post #4299 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Marco Giudice View Post


that is the exact video from Markus, I did my testing from. nor my friends or me are seeing it..! so this goes back to someone just make a YouTube video. It'll only take 5 mins from your day and settle what other people aren't seeing besides me.

Its has already been explained that it is not a trivial matter to simply film this and put it on youtube. Most domestic cameras are either 50/60i or 25/30p. Youtube itself doesn't support 24p. Any 24p video you upload will be converted. Then there is the fact that most people will be watching it on their 60Hz monitor..... You haven't thought this through.

I'm not saying that it can't be demonstrated. But you are making it sound easier than it actually is.
post #4300 of 9491
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

I realize this the 818 thread, but so far there isn't an owners' thread for the 717. And the discussion thread (for the 818, 717, and 616) has been abandoned!

Regarding your question about setting my sub to 75dB, the 717 only has Audyssey 2EQ so I don't believe I had the option of setting my sub to 75dB. In answering your other question, Audyssey would not set the level of my sub within the proper ranger (of -3.5dB and +3.5dB) unless I set the gain all the way to maximum. There is obviously something wrong with either my sub or the AVR, which I explained in my post above.

it's that crappy pc12 nsd sub......need to step-up to the ultra version.biggrin.gif
post #4301 of 9491
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

it's that crappy pc12 nsd sub......need to step-up to the ultra version.biggrin.gif

Soooo, are you saying the "offer is back on the table?" biggrin.gif (For the rest of you, consider this an "inside joke" that you should be able to figure out if you think about it long enough....like for a minute or two.)
post #4302 of 9491
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

Its has already been explained that it is not a trivial matter to simply film this and put it on youtube. Most domestic cameras are either 50/60i or 25/30p. Youtube itself doesn't support 24p. Any 24p video you upload will be converted. Then there is the fact that most people will be watching it on their 60Hz monitor..... You haven't thought this through.

I'm not saying that it can't be demonstrated. But you are making it sound easier than it actually is.
ahh.. You are correct I didn't see that way like you said. sorry about that!
post #4303 of 9491
A video that shows the effect has been posted here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412714/onkyo-tx-nr818-official-owners-thread-discussion/4230#post_22834268

Look at frame 1000. It lasts 2 frames instead of one.
post #4304 of 9491
I have tried the suggestions in post 4288 and it sure looks like the bug is gone in my set-up...has anyone else tried this? I don't have a VP to verify.
post #4305 of 9491
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post

I have tried the suggestions in post 4288 and it sure looks like the bug is gone in my set-up...has anyone else tried this? I don't have a VP to verify.

I tried it last night with 2 disks, "Raiders of the lost Ark" and "Avatar". The information window on the 818 still showed '24p' but when I went into the info on the Mitsi HC3800 pj, the vertical frequency showed 23.98 Hz for Raiders and 24.00 Hz for Avatar. With the 'custom' setting (818) it was 24.00 for both.

I also used 'Direct' for my Directv box and the Mitsi showed 29.97 Hz.

I don't own or watch many Blu-rays. I watched 'Raiders' a week ago and didn't notice any jerkyness or any of the problems that others are mentioning and that was with the 'custom' 24p setting.
post #4306 of 9491
I've noticed (or it's in my head) a 'double' frame every now and then watching content. It's almost as if the movie 'stops' for an instant but doesn't mess up any audio sync.
post #4307 of 9491
For those that have 2 SUBS w/the 818 (I just got a new one) that are NOT the same sub or mfg (one is Aperion, the other BIC Acoustech): did you run audyssey for each sub independent of the other first to get to 75db? I ran Audyssey and since I had already ran it prior to the new sub I left the aperion plugged in and adjusted the BIC until it hit 75db. Thoughts?
post #4308 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

For those that have 2 SUBS w/the 818 (I just got a new one) that are NOT the same sub or mfg (one is Aperion, the other BIC Acoustech): did you run audyssey for each sub independent of the other first to get to 75db? I ran Audyssey and since I had already ran it prior to the new sub I left the aperion plugged in and adjusted the BIC until it hit 75db. Thoughts?

Adjust the gain for each sub to 71dB. You'll end up at about 75dB for both playing together.
post #4309 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

For those that have 2 SUBS w/the 818 (I just got a new one) that are NOT the same sub or mfg (one is Aperion, the other BIC Acoustech): did you run audyssey for each sub independent of the other first to get to 75db? I ran Audyssey and since I had already ran it prior to the new sub I left the aperion plugged in and adjusted the BIC until it hit 75db. Thoughts?
The correct way to do it is. when running the aud set up start with one sub while the other is off and adjust till you see it say 75dbs on your tv and turn that one off and do the same for the other one. Once both are adjusted separately and showing 75dbs. Turn the other one back on. so that both are running and start the aud set up

Edit: thats how i did mine. but listen to markus hes the man with better audio knowledge then me.. i follow his advice all the time
post #4310 of 9491
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Originally Posted by Adam James View Post

I love my 818 for movies, I think the Multeq xt32 does a great job with imaging and sound stage for home theater, but I'm not that impressed with its 2 channel music performance. For some reason it sounds thin and grainy in pure direct mode, compared to my Yamaha rx-a2010 which sounds warm, full and more detailed.

What do you guys think of the two channel sound?

I agree with you Adam however, I just got mine last week so I am still in tweaking mode and I will be spending more time with it this week-end. My unit replaces an Arcam AVR200 which has fantastic sound quality IMHO that I bought in 2002 along with Accoustic Energy Aegis Evo Three Towers and matching Centre Channel . I'm not knowledgeable enough in this area to explain what I mean by the stereo sound quality being a disappointment. It seems flat with a much smaller soundstage. Perhaps I will rerun XT32 and I'm also a long way from getting through the manual.

I want to thank all of you for your contributions to this forum as I have made it to page 118 so far. I am holding off listening to some new BD's such as Nirvana : Live at the Paramount, Zeppelin : Celebration Day and Adele @ Royal Albert Hall until I get this beast running at Optimum capacity. Also still waiting for my Digital to Analog Converter to arrive - that one of you were kind enough to post much earlier - so I can get my ATV2 working in Zone 2 http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10423&cs_id=1042302&p_id=6884&seq=1&format=1&ref=cj#largeimage

The movie quality is excellent and I hope to report back with some better news on the music side of things as I continue the education process.
post #4311 of 9491
thank you markus and marco.
post #4312 of 9491
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Originally Posted by glk6655 View Post

... Setting the picture mode to DIRECT resolved the issue. Now the projector detects a 1080p/ 23.98fps incoming signal without any micro stuttering.

It would be very helpful if other people replicated these findings with other display devices, and more importantly with the new firmware.

I mentioned this a while back, and was told that, that setting can't do it, although I agree with you. That setting to DIRECT seems to take care of the issue.
post #4313 of 9491
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

I mentioned this a while back, and was told that, that setting can't do it, although I agree with you. That setting to DIRECT seems to take care of the issue.

I will do some testing today. I have the latest FW and I had a VP that can tell me if I see 23.98 or 24.
post #4314 of 9491
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

I will do some testing today. I have the latest FW and I had a VP that can tell me if I see 23.98 or 24.

That would be great, please post your findings.
post #4315 of 9491
My bluray player just died after trying to fix the many problems it was having in conjunction with the AVR. My brother was kind enough to give me his newer Sony bluray player, so I quickly set it up to 24p and set AVR to custom 24p. I demoed a bunch of movies and all the problems I had with the previous player went away. I think I can now see this 24p bug, it's very faint, but I get micro stuttering. It's more noticeable to me with fast moving action scenes. This is the only thing I can see wrong with 24p, so is this the bug?
Edited by BIGBEAR2004 - 1/18/13 at 12:43pm
post #4316 of 9491
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

That would be great, please post your findings.

OK. With Resolution (Source), Picture mode Video (Direct):

23.98 material --> VP shows 23.98.
24 material --> VP shows 24.

The testing above was done using actual blu-ray that had 23.98 (most US blu-ray), and 24 (most Hong Kong blu-ray).

I try to run the movie clip in this forum with my NMP (HiMedia 900b), but I got problems displaying the 24p correctly (it seems stuck in 23.98), so I just pull out my Hong Kong blu-ray and do the testing.

Now, since I am not the one that is sensitive to this, I can't say for sure if real material is still showing this or not. I guess for those that are sensitive can definitely try this "workaround", as my VP does show correct information and frame rate passing through.
post #4317 of 9491
Thanks fight4yu...smile.gif
post #4318 of 9491
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Originally Posted by BIGBEAR2004 View Post

...This is the only thing I can see wrong with 24p, so is this the bug?

This is how I see the 24p bug...
post #4319 of 9491
I've had the 818 for a couple months now. I don't notice any 24p bug. Maybe I'm lucky. Maybe I don't have magic eyes. But honestly this seems like the most overblown "bug" I've heard of. To discourage people from enjoying this awesome AVR is kind of crazy. To anybody on the fence about this receiver, just buy it. It's F'ing awesome, and i love it.
post #4320 of 9491
This thread has changed from a catch-all owners helping owners thread to a few people crying about one bug which only a few people can see. Can we turn this thread back into helping ALL owners, not just a few.

THANK YOU to those who decide to help!


I have two questions...

1) Audio Blip / Click Sound when video jumping or pausing

A week ago I switched from 805 -> 818 and a new 'issue' is presenting itself that was not there with the 805. No other equipment or software changed. 818 has the latest firmware.

When I use XBMC or WMC7 to play a video I often jump pause, jump forward/back (replay or skip forward). The 818 seems to introduce a very annoying and loud audio artifact - blip/click, not sure what to call it - hear it in audio link below.
It happens with any/all video and audio encoding types.

Does anyone else have this problem?

link to short audio WAV file s you can hear the problem (volume is low, you may need to turn up your speakers)... http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=d3fcdeb25eb705176ba69647a9589895

2) Bluetooth streaming

Will the 818 stream to bluetooth Speakers?
What non-Onkyo BT USB adapters work?
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