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1/22/13 at 1:29pm
You could turn up the center channel.
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1/22/13 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by freshdecay View Post

What level do you guys normally need to set your volume level to, to deem it "loud"

I'm not sure if Im pushing my amp too hard or not. It seems that I need to get to about 80 before it start to get loud. Is that 80/100 (80 out of 100)? Its not distorting im just worried that im 20 from my max output and its not Huuuuuugely loud. Especially seeing I have the 5.1 Paradigm SE's setup with them...

Also.. When playing AVI's Mp4 etc...as you prob know too well, the voices in movies are a lot quieter than the music..Does anyone know which setting would best complement bringing the vocals out a bit so they are audible and not blasting my ears off when the music cuts in? I have tried a few different presets and not happy with any.

can you do thx on the receiver? I do that and have it at 16 which is loud enough for most movies.

Jacob
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1/22/13 at 1:36pm
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can you do thx on the receiver? I do that and have it at 16 which is loud enough for most movies.

Jacob

Yeah I have THX setting on but still the normal output for movies is around 55-70

gee if I had it at 16 I wouldn't be able to hear anything!!!
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1/22/13 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

You could turn up the center channel.

Are AVi and MP4 encoded so they utilise the center speaker more for speaking in movies? Just concerned its only going to make everything louder.
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1/22/13 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by freshdecay View Post

Yeah I have THX setting on but still the normal output for movies is around 55-70

gee if I had it at 16 I wouldn't be able to hear anything!!!

unlike the regular setting of 60 or so.. thx goes in reverse. you have to set it up that way.
-16. you will for hear it by then. its low at 30-40.

Jacob
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post #4386 of 7004
1/22/13 at 1:51pm
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unlike the regular setting of 60 or so.. thx goes in reverse. you have to set it up that way.
-16. you will for hear it by then. its low at 30-40.

Jacob

Can you please elaborate?
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post #4387 of 7004
1/22/13 at 1:57pm
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Can you please elaborate?

Section 6-1 in the settings lets you select how the volume level is displayed:



When you choose THX 0 is as loud as it gets. I usually have it in the -25 to -35 range depending on content and who's also home smile.gif.
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1/22/13 at 2:04pm
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Section 6-1 in the settings lets you select how the volume level is displayed:



When you choose THX 0 is as loud as it gets. I usually have it in the -25 to -35 range depending on content and who's also home smile.gif.

thanks...so it seems I have THX on most of the time for games, movies and music...I should prob change this. Do most of you have THX on all the time?
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1/22/13 at 2:19pm
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thanks...so it seems I have THX on most of the time for games, movies and music...I should prob change this. Do most of you have THX on all the time?

YES.
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1/22/13 at 2:36pm
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YES.
THANKS.
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post #4391 of 7004
1/22/13 at 2:48pm
THX reference volume setting is 0db which is very very loud, I listen to movies at between -6 to -10db which is also very loud, music can be at -10db to -15db.Listening to speech based radio I would drop it to -35 approx.
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1/22/13 at 2:52pm
Another thing worth using is power on volume, I have this set at -40db so that if you switched it off after watching a movie at high volume when you switch on again it does not blow your roof off.The standard setting is it comes on the same as last time used.You can set the power on volume to any value you specify.
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1/22/13 at 2:55pm
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Another thing worth using is power on volume, I have this set at -40db so that if you switched it off after watching a movie at high volume when you switch on again it does not blow your roof off.The standard setting is it comes on the same as last time used.You can set the power on volume to any value you specify.

Very handy info. thank you!
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1/22/13 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by dstew100 View Post

It was very clear to me. Do we really need to keep talking about what we talk about? Those discussing the 24p issue are owners of the 818 discussing a problem with the 818. It's a valid topic in an owners thread. BTW I don't see it.
Keyword "Topic" would have made sense. It gets old when all people talk about is the 24p bug that most here see yet no one can do anything but use the sub-hdmi. The issue exists, we know that, i'd like to discuss a wider variety of things, wouldn't you?

BTW I don't see it either!
Edited by theoneofgod - 1/22/13 at 3:03pm
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1/22/13 at 3:13pm
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Keyword "Topic" would have made sense. It gets old when all people talk about is the 24p bug that most here see yet no one can do anything but use the sub-hdmi. The issue exists, we know that, i'd like to discuss a wider variety of things, wouldn't you?

Talking about what we talk about when the content is on topic and thread appropriate is urking me much more. Clearly this discussion is informing people, helping them understand the various settings, encouraging people to take action, and maybe, just maybe, getting Onkyo to address the issue. I say it's a huge victory and example of AVS greatness that Onkyo worked on the problem and came up with a beta patch. Now if it resolves the problem, Fracking awesome.

Just skip the posts you don't want to read and have at it with your "wider variety", as long as it is on topic we enjoy it and skip what we don't, that's why we are here. Censorship is not cool man. Nothing is stopping you from posting on other 818 relevant topics so claiming the 24p posts restrict topic variety isn't accurate.

It doesn't make since to me to make a separate thread because there is an owners thread. I expect the relevant information for a product I buy or am evaluating to be in the owners thread. That being said I'm down either way, but I vote keep it here.
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1/22/13 at 3:19pm
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Talking about what we talk about when the content is on topic and thread appropriate is urking me much more. Clearly this discussion is informing people, helping them understand the various settings, encouraging people to take action, and maybe, just maybe, getting Onkyo to address the issue. I say it's a huge victory and example of AVS greatness that Onkyo worked on the problem and came up with a beta patch. Now if it resolves the problem, Fracking awesome.

Just skip the posts you don't want to read and have at it with your "wider variety", as long as it is on topic we enjoy it and skip what we don't, that's why we are here. Censorship is not cool man. Nothing is stopping you from posting on other 818 relevant topics so claiming the 24p posts restrict topic variety isn't accurate.

It doesn't make since to me to make a separate thread because there is an owners thread. I expect the relevant information for a product I buy or am evaluating to be in the owners thread. That being said I'm down either way, but I vote keep it here.
Right. The last 50 pages talk about the exact same 24p issue, it gets old. Avoiding them makes this thread rather useless. We don't need to gangbang Onkyo we just need an intelligent person to get in touch with them and explain what the problem is, and clearly that has happened.
Bring on the wider variety of subjects.
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1/22/13 at 3:21pm
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When you choose THX 0 is as loud as it gets.

0 is the reference level meaning the level the movie was mixed for and intended to be watched at in a movie theatre. However, it is not the max. I think there is a way to restrict max but mine goes to +17.

Although content varies loudness greatly, for me on most material that seems mixed to the right level
-40 can be done in a quiet room, its soft but clear and audible, any noise is a problem though
-30 common clear volume for reg TV watching, not loud, prolly normal to most non audio type folks
-20 starting to get fun, a bit loud, wife's not complaining too much yet
-10 definitely fun, good impacts loud
-5 WooHooo
0 Very Loud
+anything, I'm not 16 anymore so I don't do that but some of the bass heads at the GTG like this sort of thing, pretty crazy with the right equipment and subs.
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post #4398 of 7004
1/22/13 at 3:21pm
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Bring on the wider variety of subjects.

As I said, go for it
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post #4399 of 7004
1/22/13 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by theoneofgod View Post

Right. The last 50 pages talk about the exact same 24p issue, it gets old. Avoiding them makes this thread rather useless. We don't need to gangbang Onkyo we just need an intelligent person to get in touch with them and explain what the problem is, and clearly that has happened.
Bring on the wider variety of subjects.

Amen. Not sure why it's so hard to start a new thread. Folks be stubborn.
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1/22/13 at 3:25pm
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0 is the reference level meaning the level the movie was mixed for and intended to be watched at in a movie theatre. However, it is not the max. I think there is a way to restrict max but mine goes to +17.

but does this all change when you are watching a rip? The level the movie was mixed for at DVD/Bluray level...but quality goes down with some rips. Then you also have the problem of the music and sound effect being too loud but vocals too quiet.
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1/22/13 at 3:27pm
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Amen. Not sure why it's so hard to start a new thread. Folks be stubborn.

Wait, who's being stubborn? 818 24p issues are on topic and are welcome to be discussed here at length. Now that that fact is well established, talking about what we talk about is what exactly?

Skip what you don't care to read.
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1/22/13 at 3:28pm
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but does this all change when you are watching a rip? The level the movie was mixed for at DVD/Bluray level...but quality goes down with some rips. Then you also have the problem of the music and sound effect being too loud but vocals too quiet.

is the thx setting there is a setting to level out the volume so its more balanced.

Jacob
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1/22/13 at 3:29pm
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but does this all change when you are watching a rip? The level the movie was mixed for at DVD/Bluray level...but quality goes down with some rips. Then you also have the problem of the music and sound effect being too loud but vocals too quiet.
If you watch DD/DTS mp4 rips, they are loud enough for me at around 60. 70 is really loud and I've never got to 80 before.
BTW I don't use THX on any source.
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1/22/13 at 3:32pm
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Wait, who's being stubborn? 818 24p issues are on topic and are welcome to be discussed here at length. Now that that fact is well established, talking about what we talk about is what exactly?

Skip what you don't care to read.

meanwhile the new user who only posted their issue days ago is about 30 pages back in the midst of a known 24p issue and still waiting for someone to help...
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1/22/13 at 3:32pm
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but does this all change when you are watching a rip? The level the movie was mixed for at DVD/Bluray level...but quality goes down with some rips. Then you also have the problem of the music and sound effect being too loud but vocals too quiet.

I'd need you to repost your levels on the THX scale to take a stab at whether you are turning it up to a scary volume, and may need more info on your system. I have external amps and dual very capable subs so I'm just fine at reference and prolly a bit above. With my old sub and no amp I prolly shouldn't go above -5 without distorting and getting the system to could break something levels.

Usually too loud won't break anything though, just distort and sound bad. If it starts distorting (sounding harsh and inaccurate and hurting your ears) stop turning it up.
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1/22/13 at 3:36pm
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If you watch DD/DTS mp4 rips, they are loud enough for me at around 60. 70 is really loud and I've never got to 80 before.
BTW I don't use THX on any source.

What about lower qaulity rips though...say 700mb movie files...?? Movies where the sound for effects and music isn't as important as hearing the dialogue.
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post #4407 of 7004
1/22/13 at 3:37pm
It doesn't distort at all...im just worried about flexing the muscle on this beast. I just can't beleive it's at 80 as I would have thought the system setup I have would be much much louder.

I'll post some THX levels when I get home. Maybe im just a sound whore.
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1/22/13 at 3:38pm
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What about lower qaulity rips though...say 700mb movie files...?? Movies where the sound for effects and music isn't as important as hearing the dialogue.
To be honest I usually watch higher quality rips (3-4gb) and avoid those 700mb rips so I can't say. The lower quality rips have just stereo audio? Have you tried pro logic?
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1/22/13 at 3:41pm
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To be honest I usually watch higher quality rips (3-4gb) and avoid those 700mb rips so I can't say. The lower quality rips have just stereo audio? Have you tried pro logic?

I have tried pro logic and that also provides really loud effect and music with little vocals... I think the person who mentioned putting up the centre levels before was on the money. I might give that a shot.
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1/22/13 at 3:46pm
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I have tried pro logic and that also provides really loud effect and music with little vocals... I think the person who mentioned putting up the centre levels before was on the money. I might give that a shot.
That should help some. Remember you can do it via the quick setup -> audio menu. There is also the speaker distance setting if you fancy playing with that.
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