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Originally Posted by dstew100 View Post

But if you tell us you are at -5 for laid back not loud listening something is wrong. Then compare the level to what's laid back with a CD and you can tell if the issue is the rip.

SPL meter would be helpful but if something is drastically off we can figure that out.
Just letting you know - I changed the volume meter to THX style and I can confirm that the place was rocking at -8

I also set the crossover at 80hz for all speaker ( this means anything lower gets passed onto the sub right?) as this was the THX reccomendation. The guy that sold me the speakers said 60hz but i dont think he knew what receiver I had. I changed the crossover after the Audyssey setup as it auto set to 50hz.

thanks for your help!
post #4442 of 9458
I'm impressed the girl friend is playing skyrim. :-)
post #4443 of 9458
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Originally Posted by freshdecay View Post

Just letting you know - I changed the volume meter to THX style and I can confirm that the place was rocking at -8

I also set the crossover at 80hz for all speaker ( this means anything lower gets passed onto the sub right?) as this was the THX reccomendation. The guy that sold me the speakers said 60hz but i dont think he knew what receiver I had. I changed the crossover after the Audyssey setup as it auto set to 50hz.

thanks for your help!

-8 Rocking, Yup you're good.

Yes the 80HZ crossover sends content below 80hz from the mains (and each channel the crossover is set for) to the sub. With 5.1 and 7.1 content that .1 LFE channel is going to the sub anyway though.
post #4444 of 9458
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

If you are happy with how things are working then you don't upgrade.
no I'm waiting for the fix I'm starting to see now. once it's noticed is a pain the Ass. but I switch to sub hdmi for now.
post #4445 of 9458
I got a question, do people still use their tv settings for video processing like smooth motion effects etc. with this avr it do they let the avr do all theework. and have both do the work, dies it make it conflict with each other?
post #4446 of 9458
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Originally Posted by Marco Giudice View Post

I got a question, do people still use their tv settings for video processing like smooth motion effects etc. with this avr it do they let the avr do all theework. and have both do the work, dies it make it conflict with each other?
You're best off testing this for yourself. It will totally depend on how much processing the TV does. I'd suggest to let the AVR do it if you have no 24p issues, if you do, let the TV do it and use the sub-hdmi port.
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Originally Posted by Marco Giudice View Post

do people still use their tv settings for video processing like smooth motion effects etc. with this avr it do they let the avr do all theework. and have both do the work, dies it make it conflict with each other?
You're best off testing this for yourself. It will totally depend on how much processing the TV does. I'd suggest to let the AVR do it if you have no 24p issues, if you do, let the TV do it and use the sub-hdmi port.

AVRs (and players) don't do smooth motion effects (motion enhancement, frame interpolation as it's done at higher than 60Hz refresh rate).

For other picture controls like brightness, contrast etc. generally you calibrate TV as near to reference as possible so all the connected components benefit and may not need further tweaking themselves. These settings don't conflict as such if set in both (they won't break anything) but if TV is a long way off it may not be possible to compensate upstream.
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Anyone got a Dvdo Edge or similar hardware?
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I own ONKYO TX-NR818 Receiver for a two months now and in combination with Focal 807V speakers it’s just a joy listening to my favorite music.
BUT, yesterday I started to pay attention to a strange static noise from the speakers, I can clearly hear the popping when I set the source from where I play the music (its AppleTV connected to iTunes usually ) to pause and turn the volume all the way UP, around 60% I starting to hear the popping that keep on till the 100% of the volume, clearly i don’t listen to music at 100% but I expect not to get such disturbing noise from Receiver that cost 1000$ and more, connected digitally through HDMI cable and not analog RCA where it could be maybe accepted .
Actually the static sound I started to hear when I played with Treble, I set it to 4,6,8,10 during music play and as it gets higher I clearly hear that disturbing klick/pop noise and its driving me crazy, then I started to playing with the volume and all the above explanation.

Can someone tell me if he experience same thing?
The easiest way to reproduce the issue (that’s how I did it) :
Connect the iPhone with its original USB 30pin or Lightning cable to front USB slot
Start playing some song
Pause and turn the volume UP all the way

Please tell me if you have or not this static noise?
I hear it at about 60% and higher.

Please advise what I shall do with it, I can’t eat I can’t sleep, it’s so bugging me.

Sorry for my English it’s not my native language.
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Thread Starter 
Some level of "floor noise" is to be expected, even from a digital source and even on gear costing a lot more than the 818.
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Can anyone tell me how to play iTunes from my Mac through the DLNA? Or using the "Home Network" section in the Net mode. It seems Apple does its own thing. I know there are apps for the iPhone, that allowed my 818 and my phone to share, but now I'm wondering how to use the Mac the same way.

Thanks
post #4452 of 9458
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Originally Posted by NLaudiophile View Post

Can anyone tell me how to play iTunes from my Mac through the DLNA? Or using the "Home Network" section in the Net mode. It seems Apple does its own thing. I know there are apps for the iPhone, that allowed my 818 and my phone to share, but now I'm wondering how to use the Mac the same way.

Thanks

I think you'll need to add an ATV or something similar to get this functionality.
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Originally Posted by theoneofgod View Post

You're best off testing this for yourself. It will totally depend on how much processing the TV does. I'd suggest to let the AVR do it if you have no 24p issues, if you do, let the TV do it and use the sub-hdmi port.
i do notice the 24p bug now. So thats why i was asking.. but thank you for your input

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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

AVRs (and players) don't do smooth motion effects (motion enhancement, frame interpolation as it's done at higher than 60Hz refresh rate).

For other picture controls like brightness, contrast etc. generally you calibrate TV as near to reference as possible so all the connected components benefit and may not need further tweaking themselves. These settings don't conflict as such if set in both (they won't break anything) but if TV is a long way off it may not be possible to compensate upstream.
ahh thank you killian.ca, that was more the knowledge i was seeking.. so motion enhancement only apply to cable/satellite TV or anything that is displayed at 60hz or better.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Marco Giudice View Post

ahh thank you killian.ca, that was more the knowledge i was seeking.. so motion enhancement only apply to cable/satellite TV or anything that is displayed at 60hz or better.

I think you misunderstand. It's not that the source needs to be at 60hz or greater to benefit from motion smoothing and interpolation, the opposite is often true, that for people that like a smooth fluid picture the most benefit is with relatively low rate 24 and 30 fps sources....

The TV needs to do this since the AVR is not able of pumping out a 120, 180 or 240 hz signal, this is something done in the TV video processor by necessity.... because if the AVR cranked up a 120hz frame rate, many TVs would not handle it properly as it's not a standard format.

So, if you turn motion smoothing on in your TV it would be on for everything coming from the AVR.
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

I think you misunderstand. It's not that the source needs to be at 60hz or greater to benefit from motion smoothing and interpolation, the opposite is often true, that for people that like a smooth fluid picture the most benefit is with relatively low rate 24 and 30 fps sources....

The TV needs to do this since the AVR is not able of pumping out a 120, 180 or 240 hz signal, this is something done in the TV video processor by necessity.... because if the AVR cranked up a 120hz frame rate, many TVs would not handle it properly as it's not a standard format.

So, if you turn motion smoothing on in your TV it would be on for everything coming from the AVR.
ok ive been playing with the smooth motion settings on all content 24, 60, blu ray and cable tv and cant seem to notice a differences, would you know of some situations i where i would definetly see the effects of having the set on or off?
post #4456 of 9458
Since I already had two HDMI's running to my Sony HW20 Projector I decided to connect them to both HDMI outputs on my 818. Now I can jump from the SUB to the MAIN output depending on what I'm watching.
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So according to FORUMMODERATOR1 on the Onkyo support website, they may be shutting down the 24 fps bug thread. Here is a quote from the last post (figured I would put it here in case they close it down before anyone else can check it):

"Upon further discussion; this forum is for helping those experiencing issues with appropriate service and resolutions. This thread has become a haven for menacing online threats and is in direct violation of the policies of this support forum. Please utilize the askOnkyo@us.onkyo.com email for your personal criticism and offers of resolution- as that portal is viewed and supported by the appropriate representatives. Based on days of counsel- this thread and posts may be removed; as support was repeatedly requested and, whiled yieled many comments, only received support from 2 individuals. This has shown not to be a productive channel to resolve issues that are still not presentable with our equipment (via in house and in-the-field analysis and support from AV installers/ technicians). This thread seems to aspire more hatred than resolution for this cessation of this issue.

Thank you to those for their cooperation and support;

Forum Moderator"

Hopefully this person is not informed as to what jmpage2 has been working on with Onkyo, as things seemed to be taking a step in the right direction there. But according to that last post, that moderator believes Onkyo still cannot reproduce the issue themselves.
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Thread Starter 
I was contacted by Patrick from Onkyo after emailing the support address provided by "forummoderator1". I suspect patrick and forummoderator are the same person.... so I'm not sure why they publicly state the problem can't be reproduced, when they clearly know it is an issue, at least with some configurations (as evidenced by their firmware mailout).

We should just call this what it is. Onkyo, for like the 100th time in the past 7 years, released a busted product and this time got called on it with a pretty public display.... and they don't like how that looks so they sweep it under the rug.

I was also contacted by Patrick after posting here and asked to stop talking about the problem.... which is funny, because I haven't really said anything inflammatory... I've simply asked them to fix the breakage or offer me a replacement that does not have the problem.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Marco Giudice View Post

ok ive been playing with the smooth motion settings on all content 24, 60, blu ray and cable tv and cant seem to notice a differences, would you know of some situations i where i would definetly see the effects of having the set on or off?
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No one here can answer that question because they don't have your model TV. You should ask that question in a Vizio forum or owners thread..
post #4460 of 9458
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Originally Posted by Marco Giudice View Post

ok ive been playing with the smooth motion settings on all content 24, 60, blu ray and cable tv and cant seem to notice a differences, would you know of some situations i where i would definetly see the effects of having the set on or off?

It also depends on how aggressive your TV do this. It is quite apparent in blu-ray content. Most "film" will look like "video" (soap opera effect)...
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That Onkyo forum deleted my post and scrubbed me from the board without even a single explaination. I pointed out that a belligerent user in that thread (who they had supposedly contacted), did not understand the problem and would simply lead them down the wrong path. I also reiterated what everyone else was saying about 'what goes in is not what comes out'.
Meanwhile, far more hostile posts and members were allowed to remain.

They simply swept me under the carpet and I have no trouble believing thats precisely what they will do with that thread. Its a disgraceful way to treat your customers.
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For 36 years I have always lived with TV as my sound source. 18 of those years was a mono speaker, everything else has been stereo. As soon as I get done with my woodworking project, I will have 9.2 audio.

Onkyo tx-nr818 I paid $498 shipped (eBay dropped and bent, fully functional - tested when I got it)
Front speakers: Kenwood LS-P7200 $20 + $50 refoam kit
Center: Cerwin Vegas CVS-6C $70
Sony STR-K840P w/ center (not using), 4 satellites, 1 subwoofer $50
1 subwoofer to match Sony $60
Onkyo speakers (front high, using Sony receiver to drive them) $10
2 technic surrounds (not using), technic center (not using) $15
The wood, screws, wire shelving for console $280
650ft 2/14 wire $30
Banana jacks, mounts, etc. $30
....
$1113 total is my estimated expenses so far.

Really looking forward to getting it all hooked up and going... First movie I want to watch once I do get it going, LOTR extended edition. Should be at that point in the next 2-3 weeks. I want to stain and poly coat the woodwork which takes time, plus sawing everything by hand (no miter saw).

The left side top to bottom of EC:
Onkyo front high speaker
DVR
Sony Receiver
Onkyo Receiver
Blue Ray
MediaServer
Kenwood Speaker (sub hidden in back)

At bottom of 42-in Wall Mount TV: Cerwin Vegas Center Channel

The right side top to bottom of EC:
Onkyo front high speaker
DVR
Cluster of equipment (GigE Switch, Cable Modem, VoIP, AppleTV, WiiU)
HP Printer
Kenwood Speaker (sub hidden in back)

Wood walls & structure for entertainment sides, but wire racks so all electronics can breath top and bottom.
Edited by EmailNBheleu - 1/24/13 at 1:30pm
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Hello,

I have a problem.

setting "subwoofer yes" ---> "front speaker large/ full band" in the sound mode "stereo" But no sound from the sub. But when i set front speakers at 40hz the sub plays. Also when i set the double bass to ON.

Bug? Onkyo says it should work...

Thomas
post #4464 of 9458
Sounds like it is working correctly. No lfe channel in stereo so nothing goes to the submit unless you send it there. Running fronts full range means no bass is taken from the fronts to send to the sub so sub will be silent. Double bass sends bass both places so sub plays. Setting a crossover tells the reveiver to send frequencies below the crossover point to the sub so the sub plays.
post #4465 of 9458
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Originally Posted by JHAz View Post

Sounds like it is working correctly. No lfe channel in stereo so nothing goes to the submit unless you send it there. Running fronts full range means no bass is taken from the fronts to send to the sub so sub will be silent. Double bass sends bass both places so sub plays. Setting a crossover tells the reveiver to send frequencies below the crossover point to the sub so the sub plays.

That is so stupid if thats the case, i whant my DB1 sub to play! Menu says its on when its of...i would like to se that fixed smile.gif
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To share music on network, to an Apple device read this link:
http://www.apple.com/itunes/inside-itunes/2012/04/share-your-itunes-library-with-others-by-using-home-sharing.html

In a nutshell, AppleTV is not required but at least one Apple device is, for instance on your iPad/iPod/iPhone you enable it in Settings App for Music App and Videos App. Once enabled the shared choice will then be available in the more tab in the Music App or Videos App from your device. Plug your apple device into the front USB port, etc and it should stream your music/video etc. from your iTunes library to your receiver.

Be a few weeks before I can confirm the video side though, but I would guess that no one else in the owners forum has tried it this way as most have an AppleTV already setup for this purpose.

The only exception I can think of is those of you with lightning connectors/adapters. I do not believe they support video streaming so you would need to get an AppleTV at that point.
Edited by EmailNBheleu - 1/24/13 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

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No one here can answer that question because they don't have your model TV. You should ask that question in a Vizio forum or owners thread..
thanks I understand where your coming. in a nut shell do you leave motion interpolation off in your setup?
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

It also depends on how aggressive your TV do this. It is quite apparent in blu-ray content. Most "film" will look like "video" (soap opera effect)...
thank you also. but on my tv there was something else called game mode that if was off I would instantly get that soap opera/ home video look that I hated. so maybe that's why I'm not seeing no differences with smooth motion settings on, cuz I have game mode on.. :-/ but anyway this a Vizio /tv issue not a onkyo avr issue I'm trying to figure out. so I'll take that up somewhere else. in a nut shell do you leave motion interpolation off in your setup? thanks for lending your advice tho smile.gif
Edited by Marco Giudice - 1/24/13 at 2:34pm
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Thread Starter 
I never use motion smoothing or motion interpolation because I don't like a film looking like video, I find it makes me feel seasick.
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

That Onkyo forum deleted my post and scrubbed me from the board without even a single explaination. I pointed out that a belligerent user in that thread (who they had supposedly contacted), did not understand the problem and would simply lead them down the wrong path. I also reiterated what everyone else was saying about 'what goes in is not what comes out'.
Meanwhile, far more hostile posts and members were allowed to remain.

They simply swept me under the carpet and I have no trouble believing thats precisely what they will do with that thread. Its a disgraceful way to treat your customers.

Yeah, that sounds about right....... Their customer service reps could learn a thing or three from companies that actually know how to deliver outstanding customer service. Considering the number of people in this thread, including "insiders" who have reported that they've verified the problem and spoken with people at Onkyo about it, it is rather hard to swallow that they either can't reproduce it or don't know about it.
post #4470 of 9458
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Yeah, that sounds about right....... Their customer service reps could learn a thing or three from companies that actually know how to deliver outstanding customer service. Considering the number of people in this thread, including "insiders" who have reported that they've verified the problem and spoken with people at Onkyo about it, it is rather hard to swallow that they either can't reproduce it or don't know about it.

Unless I read wrong I thought you were given a beta firmware to test t he fix that Patrick stated they are using to fix the issue you brought to they're attention.
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