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post #4501 of 7000
1/25/13 at 9:31pm
^^^^ great stuff!

Looking forward to those tests with the new firmware.
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post #4502 of 7000
1/25/13 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

What VP are you using? Have you tested 59.94 material as well? When testing 59.94 it will pass thru unaltered with your above settings but if you set resolution at 1080p it was altering the signal and outputting 60hz, this must be tested as well.
I had a lumagen XD. I do direct, so it pass thru OK. I had not try upscale to 1080p and see if it works or not. That I use my VP to do.
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post #4503 of 7000
1/26/13 at 12:57am
schweeeeeet, tyty Everyone, and good on Onkyo
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post #4504 of 7000
1/26/13 at 1:51am
Looking good, but has there been actual proof that the new firmware has fixed the 24, 60fps issues?
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post #4505 of 7000
1/26/13 at 1:52am
New pictures have just been sent (they have to be informed first as a matter of courtesy). wink.gif
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post #4506 of 7000
1/26/13 at 3:00am
Hi, is the 818 compatible with Airplay with the latest firmware?

I have to buy an AVR and I was thinking to 818 or Denon 3313. I use it usually for HT, less for music, is 818 better than Denon?
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post #4507 of 7000
1/26/13 at 4:06am
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Originally Posted by Stigmater View Post

I own ONKYO TX-NR818 Receiver for a two months now and in combination with Focal 807V speakers it’s just a joy listening to my favorite music.
BUT, yesterday I started to pay attention to a strange static noise from the speakers, I can clearly hear the popping when I set the source from where I play the music (its AppleTV connected to iTunes usually ) to pause and turn the volume all the way UP, around 60% I starting to hear the popping that keep on till the 100% of the volume, clearly i don’t listen to music at 100% but I expect not to get such disturbing noise from Receiver that cost 1000$ and more, connected digitally through HDMI cable and not analog RCA where it could be maybe accepted .
Actually the static sound I started to hear when I played with Treble, I set it to 4,6,8,10 during music play and as it gets higher I clearly hear that disturbing klick/pop noise and its driving me crazy, then I started to playing with the volume and all the above explanation.

Can someone tell me if he experience same thing?
The easiest way to reproduce the issue (that’s how I did it) :
Connect the iPhone with its original USB 30pin or Lightning cable to front USB slot
Start playing some song
Pause and turn the volume UP all the way

Please tell me if you have or not this static noise?
I hear it at about 60% and higher.

Please advise what I shall do with it, I can’t eat I can’t sleep, it’s so bugging me.

Sorry for my English it’s not my native language.

Please, can someone reproduce the issue so ill know what to do, take the receiver to the service or its natural behavior and ill have to live with it .
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post #4508 of 7000
1/26/13 at 4:44am
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Originally Posted by Stigmater View Post

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Originally Posted by Stigmater View Post

I own ONKYO TX-NR818 Receiver for a two months now and in combination with Focal 807V speakers it’s just a joy listening to my favorite music.
BUT, yesterday I started to pay attention to a strange static noise from the speakers, I can clearly hear the popping when I set the source from where I play the music (its AppleTV connected to iTunes usually ) to pause and turn the volume all the way UP, around 60% I starting to hear the popping that keep on till the 100% of the volume, clearly i don’t listen to music at 100% but I expect not to get such disturbing noise from Receiver that cost 1000$ and more, connected digitally through HDMI cable and not analog RCA where it could be maybe accepted .
Actually the static sound I started to hear when I played with Treble, I set it to 4,6,8,10 during music play and as it gets higher I clearly hear that disturbing klick/pop noise and its driving me crazy, then I started to playing with the volume and all the above explanation.

Can someone tell me if he experience same thing?
The easiest way to reproduce the issue (that’s how I did it) :
Connect the iPhone with its original USB 30pin or Lightning cable to front USB slot
Start playing some song
Pause and turn the volume UP all the way

Please tell me if you have or not this static noise?
I hear it at about 60% and higher.

Please advise what I shall do with it, I can’t eat I can’t sleep, it’s so bugging me.

Sorry for my English it’s not my native language.

Please, can someone reproduce the issue so ill know what to do, take the receiver to the service or its natural behavior and ill have to live with it .

 

Do you get the same noise on all sources - eg if you put a bluray in and pause it and wind the volume all the way up?  You need to determine if it is the AVR or the source that is causing the problem.

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post #4509 of 7000
1/26/13 at 8:07am
No noise here using my Android phone as storage device.
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post #4510 of 7000
1/26/13 at 9:08am
Thread Starter 
This is certainly the most helpful post regarding the bug yet. Hopefully Patrick from Onkyo understands that;

1. This is a real problem.
2. That with certain display equipment this type of problem produces a visible artifact.

Here's to hoping.

Can't wait to see your results after testing with the new FW.
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

Proof of the Onkyo's 24.00 and 60.00fps bug before new update. smile.gif

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post #4511 of 7000
1/26/13 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

New pictures have just been sent (they have to be informed first as a matter of courtesy). wink.gif

Thanks Killian. Are you implying that the bug is still there, and you want to tell them before posting proof publicly? I'm stuck at work and can't test today, and I don't have a VP anyway, but encouraged by JMPage's recent post that he hasn't seen the issue since installing the new firmware. Can't wait for some proof one way or the other! Thanks to all here that are working on this (and to Onkyo for at least attempting a firmware fix, which hopefully does the trick).
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post #4512 of 7000
1/26/13 at 10:04am
killian,

How did you have the 818 setup? Source>Direct? Or doesn't it matter?
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post #4513 of 7000
1/26/13 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

This is certainly the most helpful post regarding the bug yet. Hopefully Patrick from Onkyo understands that;

1. This is a real problem.
2. That with certain display equipment this type of problem produces a visible artifact.

Here's to hoping.

Can't wait to see your results after testing with the new FW.

Jmpage2 have you tested out the new firmware yet, if so what were the results?
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post #4514 of 7000
1/26/13 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by InfernoST View Post

Jmpage2 have you tested out the new firmware yet, if so what were the results?
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

I'm pretty sure that it's fixed it for 23.976. I watched a couple of movies over the past 48 hours and did not see a single frame drop or dupe, and usually I could not get through a film without seeing at least a couple of them.

But we're still waiting on someone with a VP to confirm for sure.
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post #4515 of 7000
1/26/13 at 11:02am
Great news. The 24P buy is getting resolved.

To all the folks who posted here and contact Onkyo: Great Job.
Without you, this fix not have happened.

To all those who felt the thread was hijacked: Rejoice, the resale value of your 818 just went up.
Get the firmware upgrade first of course smile.gif

- Rich
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post #4516 of 7000
1/26/13 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Great news. The 24P buy is getting resolved.

To all the folks who posted here and contact Onkyo: Great Job.
Without you, this fix not have happened.

To all those who felt the thread was hijacked: Rejoice, the resale value of your 818 just went up.
Get the firmware upgrade first of course smile.gif

- Rich

Amen! Most of us figured even if we raised our voices, they'd ignore us, but we posted on Onkyo's forum, and posted some brutally honest amazon reviews, and called Onkyo directly, and they listened. I'm still waiting for VP confirmation before I put this to bed, but very pleased to see things moving in the right direction.
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post #4517 of 7000
1/26/13 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by cytoSiN View Post


But we're still waiting on someone with a VP to confirm for sure.

Glad to see some light at the end of the tunnel.
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post #4518 of 7000
1/26/13 at 2:35pm
I have my Audyssey settings saved on my 818. If I were to turn off all Audyssey processing and manually calibrate would I be able to go back to those Audyssey settings or would I lose them and have to rerun the setup?
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post #4519 of 7000
1/26/13 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Do you get the same noise on all sources - eg if you put a bluray in and pause it and wind the volume all the way up?  You need to determine if it is the AVR or the source that is causing the problem.

Yes, just checked with my streamer (Popcorn c-200) during play of the movie I pause it and turn volume up and from about 50% of volume I hear the popping electric sound. ;(
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post #4520 of 7000
1/26/13 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by Stigmater View Post

Yes, just checked with my streamer (Popcorn c-200) during play of the movie I pause it and turn volume up and from about 50% of volume I hear the popping electric sound. ;(

I just paused live TV on my SA8300 (connected via HDMI) and set the volume to reference (0 db). Dead silence. If I stick my ear right up to the speaker, I can hear a very faint hiss. Iphone hooked up to front panel via lightning cable gives same result. You should not be getting noise from a digital connection. Have you tried an input that has nothing connected?
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post #4521 of 7000
1/26/13 at 5:21pm
So I got the 818 up and running and discovered a disappointment . I am driving a separate TV in my garage using HDMI sub but cannot get the audio to it. Video is fine no audio. If I select Audio TV out to ON, audio is output via the HDMI but then the audio in the main room (receiver) is off. I guess I didn't study this very well. Never thought the receiver would not send the audio via the HDMI. Contemplating my options..... Running more wires is NOT an attractive option. I welcome any thought or suggestions.
Edited by peirek - 1/26/13 at 7:46pm
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post #4522 of 7000
1/26/13 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Can't wait to see your results after testing with the new FW.
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Originally Posted by cytoSiN View Post

Are you implying that the bug is still there, and you want to tell them before posting proof publicly?

So far it seems to output the correct frame-rate for 23.98p, 24.00p, 50.00i and 59.94i sources. I've not heard from Onkyo since I sent the pictures. I'll watch more discs and continue to monitor.smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

How did you have the 818 setup? Source>Direct? Or doesn't it matter?

I can't remember off my head but whatever setting was doing it wrong before now does it correctly.
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post #4523 of 7000
1/26/13 at 9:57pm
Glad the 24p bug is being resolved, now if only they could do something about the networking/audio dropouts and lack of gapless playback. rolleyes.gif
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post #4524 of 7000
1/26/13 at 11:25pm
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Originally Posted by cytoSiN View Post

Amen! Most of us figured even if we raised our voices, they'd ignore us, but we posted on Onkyo's forum, and posted some brutally honest amazon reviews, and called Onkyo directly, and they listened. I'm still waiting for VP confirmation before I put this to bed, but very pleased to see things moving in the right direction.


Yes we did while other end users verbally attacked us for it but though they get to reap the benifits!!!!!!!!
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post #4525 of 7000
1/26/13 at 11:36pm
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post


So far it seems to output the correct frame-rate for 23.98p, 24.00p, 50.00i and 59.94i sources. I've not heard from Onkyo since I sent the pictures. I'll watch more discs and continue to monitor.smile.gif
I can't remember off my head but whatever setting was doing it wrong before now does it correctly.


Can you set the onkyo to output 1080p for 59.94 material and look at the fame rate in your edge? We need confirmation on a few different settings, it seems like on your settings of direct and source it passed 23.976fps unaltered but we need to test setting the output when taking 1080i in and outputting 1080p out and making sure 59.94 stays unaltered. Lets also test 23.976 material in custom mode for those that like to tweek the image some, 23.976 material needs to be unaltered in this mode also. Thanks for posting your results.
Edited by Mike Butny - 1/26/13 at 11:56pm
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post #4526 of 7000
1/26/13 at 11:40pm
Thanks to all of you who pursued the 24p issue. Also glad to see its headed towards a resolution.

While I haven't observed it, I do want to know for sure the unit is operating correctly and that we get the video processing we paid for.
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post #4527 of 7000
1/27/13 at 1:40am
Now maybe there is some hope that they will fix the same bug in previous models... My Integra DTR-50.2 suffers from the same issue with 23.98 fps.
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post #4528 of 7000
1/27/13 at 2:44am
Have both 80.2 and 818 and both suffer with it also, finely some hope.rolleyes.gif
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post #4529 of 7000
1/27/13 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by Carl R View Post

Now maybe there is some hope that they will fix the same bug in previous models... My Integra DTR-50.2 suffers from the same issue with 23.98 fps.

That's what intrigues me...that relatively few people notice this in other Onkyo AVR's.
I realize that there was some discussion as far back as the 606 but what of all the 3xxx and 5xxx, the flagship receivers of the last few years, how could they not also be affected, seeing that they share the same VP as many of the mid-lines as they do in the current 818.

When this bug was first found and being posted about incessantly here, by the more evangelical members, I thought that it was simply a minor quirk somewhat akin to the lack of gapless playback (which probably affects less than .000001% of recordings ever made) and one that many people never observed and was simply limited to a small group of purists who were like the kid in "The 6th Sense", but instead of dead people they saw dropped frames, and I really wished they would have just bought 3010/5010 receivers instead and clutter up that thread.

But I was wrong and I now thank them for their efforts and perseverance to get Onkyo to step up and at least acknowledge the problem and work to find a fix.

Well done.
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post #4530 of 7000
1/27/13 at 8:32am
After we get the VP worked out I wonder if we can get Onkyo to release a firmware package upgrade, which would include Audyssey Sub EQ HT. Denon released a firmware upgrade package a few years ago for $100 that included Audyssey Dynamic EQ along with other upgrade features.
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