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post #4561 of 9534
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Originally Posted by InfernoST View Post

The only reason I'm concerned about it is because I'm going to reconfigure the front of my HT, I'm planning on replacing my JBL-E20's with my S38's in the front high position and put in 2 E100's for the LR Front where the S38's are now.

From stereophile
"In addition, while the speaker's impedance magnitude drops to around 4.1 ohms in the lower mids and the high treble (fig.1), it is generally an easy load for an amplifier to drive. However, a combination of 5 ohms magnitude and 45 degrees capacitive phase angle at 90Hz will mean that the best amplifier would be one rated into 4 ohms."

"Sensitivity: 89dB/2,83V/m. Frequency response: 45Hz-20kHz"

Although getting close to 4 Ohms, the 818 is rated to 4 ohms so it is supposed to be fine. Also given the sensitivity you should be fine there too. Depending how far away you sit you may not be able to get to reference but if you keep it below -5 you should still be low distortion. If you find you are getting distortion or clipping at the volumes you listen at then it's time to look into an amp. I use an Emotiva across my front three which really only makes a difference at high volumes which I do once in a blue moon. Its nice to know its there, the system has breathing room, and the occasional at reference fun time is still clean, but in reality it's rarely used. Glad I only splurged on the emo and not a Classe or something.
post #4562 of 9534
ß-firmware: 1110-8103-0101-0000
(using USB HDD with two partitions, all done under 15')

Testing update:

HDMI main out (YCbCr 422) using 1080i59.94 BD source (concert video):

• 1080p59.94 outputs correctly on all modes except Direct (n/a on direct mode obviously);
• 1080i59.94 outputs correctly on Direct mode.

Previously using BD 23.98p film source:
• 23.98p outputs correctly on all modes. Custom mode all at default values (can't test all the combinations of settings);

No undesirable effects observed so far.
post #4563 of 9534
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

ß-firmware: 1110-8103-0101-0000
(using USB HDD with two partitions, all done under 15')

Testing update:

HDMI main out (YCbCr 422) using 1080i59.94 BD source (concert video):

• 1080p59.94 outputs correctly on all modes except Direct (n/a on direct mode obviously);
• 1080i59.94 outputs correctly on Direct mode.

Previously using BD 23.98p film source:
• 23.98p outputs correctly on all modes. Custom mode all at default values (can't test all the combinations of settings);

No undesirable effects observed so far.

Sounds like its fixed and no need to buy the Dvdo Duo for further testing, well done.
post #4564 of 9534
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

ß-firmware: 1110-8103-0101-0000
(using USB HDD with two partitions, all done under 15')

Testing update:

HDMI main out (YCbCr 422) using 1080i59.94 BD source (concert video):

• 1080p59.94 outputs correctly on all modes except Direct (n/a on direct mode obviously);
• 1080i59.94 outputs correctly on Direct mode.

Previously using BD 23.98p film source:
• 23.98p outputs correctly on all modes. Custom mode all at default values (can't test all the combinations of settings);

No undesirable effects observed so far.


hopefully it did not break something else. I wonder if they post this firmware publicly or just send it to whoever wants it via email.
post #4565 of 9534
Well we proved their product is flawed so I would HOPE they would release a firmware update so all Onkyo 818 users would benefit.
Edited by Mike Butny - 1/27/13 at 7:50pm
post #4566 of 9534
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

Well we proved their product is flawed so I would HOPE they would release a firmware update so all Onkyo 818 users would benifit.

Its not just 818 owners though. There are products both up and down the line aswell as older AVRs that are affected. The Integra models are also affected, but at least in the case of the DTR 50.4, it shares the same firmware as the 818, so at the very least it should be able to use this firmware.
post #4567 of 9534
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

Its not just 818 owners though. There are products both up and down the line aswell as older AVRs that are affected. The Integra models are also affected, but at least in the case of the DTR 50.4, it shares the same firmware as the 818, so at the very least it should be able to use this firmware.


Pat on the back, we did good with this then...cool.gif
post #4568 of 9534
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

Its not just 818 owners though. There are products both up and down the line aswell as older AVRs that are affected. The Integra models are also affected, but at least in the case of the DTR 50.4, it shares the same firmware as the 818, so at the very least it should be able to use this firmware.

Yes, I bet the 1010, 3010, and 5010 is also flawed. Well hopefully Onkyo turns it around and from now on they fully test their product before it gets released.
post #4569 of 9534
They fixed the 24 FPS bug? Wow that was really the only thing holding me back from getting the 818, now I may have to reconsider it smile.gif. It's about time Onkyo but well done! Next time test your products better before release...
post #4570 of 9534
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Originally Posted by Ricsim78 View Post

They fixed the 24 FPS bug? Wow that was really the only thing holding me back from getting the 818, now I may have to reconsider it smile.gif. It's about time Onkyo but well done! Next time test your products better before release...

I would wait it out a bit longer.
post #4571 of 9534
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Originally Posted by NODES View Post

I would wait it out a bit longer.
I am still leaning towards Pioneer, but the 818 would be a decent contender IF the issues are fixed.
post #4572 of 9534
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

no need to buy the Dvdo Duo for further testing

The more people with vps test it the better. Scientific observations need to be confirmed by others independently.smile.gif

Don't people with Lumagen vps want to test it too?
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Originally Posted by NODES View Post


I wonder if they post this firmware publicly or just send it to whoever wants it via email.

Not public yet, just ask politely via email.
post #4573 of 9534
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Originally Posted by Kilian.ca View Post

The more people with vps test it the better. Scientific observations need to be confirmed by others independently.smile.gif

Don't people with Lumagen vps want to test it too?
Not public yet, just ask politely via email.

I asked for the update on Friday about 11:30 am and had the updated FW at 1:00 pm!
Just ask for the FW, give them your name and email, done!smile.gif
post #4574 of 9534
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Originally Posted by BWD69 View Post

I asked for the update on Friday about 11:30 am and had the updated FW at 1:00 pm!
Just ask for the FW, give them your name and email, done!smile.gif

Will they eventually be making a public release of the firmware update once it has been tested?
post #4575 of 9534
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Originally Posted by BWD69 View Post

I asked for the update on Friday about 11:30 am and had the updated FW at 1:00 pm!
Just ask for the FW, give them your name and email, done!smile.gif

I asked Friday afternoon, still nothing
post #4576 of 9534
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post

I don't know as I haven't tried...I can test tomorrow.
Onyko said they will e-mail the FW to me tomorrow and I will check.

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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

Thanks for your continued feedback.

No problem Mike...

I haven't received the FW upgrade e-mail from Onkyo yet but here are my test results with the Oppo 103:

Output Resolution on 103 set to "1080p"
1080p24 output set to "ON"
HDMI Options/Color Space set to "AUTO"
HDMI Options/Deep Color set to "OFF"

While playing a Blu-ray movie and pressing the INFO button on the remote the following is displayed on the screen:

VC1 BDMV 23.976Hz 16:9

Pressing the PAGE UP button on the remote:

HDMI 1: 1080p@24Hz 4:4:4 24b bitstream

HDMI 2: Not Connected

I will see if anything changes after the FW upgrade...
post #4577 of 9534
Found the Onkyo on sale for $799 online. Looks like the price is good until 1/31/13. You think a better price will come along by July?
post #4578 of 9534
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Originally Posted by peirek View Post

So I got the 818 up and running and discovered a disappointment . I am driving a separate TV in my garage using HDMI sub but cannot get the audio to it. Video is fine no audio. If I select Audio TV out to ON, audio is output via the HDMI but then the audio in the main room (receiver) is off. I guess I didn't study this very well. Never thought the receiver would not send the audio via the HDMI. Contemplating my options..... Running more wires is NOT an attractive option. I welcome any thought or suggestions.

Further testing over the weekend seems to indicate there is no way, that i can find, to send the audio on the SUB HDMI AND process the audio in the 8118. Just wanted to check to see if there was a hidden "switch" that anyone may have found.

At this point I am considering adding a Component to HDMI converter from my DirectTV Receiver to drive the TV in my garage. 99% of the time, I will be watching this content.

The 8118 is an audio beast! The Audessey XT32 put my media room into another stratosphere! Really really pleased.
post #4579 of 9534
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Originally Posted by Alan58 View Post

Found the Onkyo on sale for $799 online. Looks like the price is good until 1/31/13. You think a better price will come along by July?

 

Who knows?  But that is an incredibly cheap way to get the benefits of Audyssey MultEQ XT32.

post #4580 of 9534
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Originally Posted by peirek View Post

Further testing over the weekend seems to indicate there is no way, that i can find, to send the audio on the SUB HDMI AND process the audio in the 8118. Just wanted to check to see if there was a hidden "switch" that anyone may have found.

At this point I am considering adding a Component to HDMI converter from my DirectTV Receiver to drive the TV in my garage. 99% of the time, I will be watching this content.

The 8118 is an audio beast! The Audessey XT32 put my media room into another stratosphere! Really really pleased.

Ran into the same problem seting my brothers Denon up, had to run analog audio cables instead.
post #4581 of 9534
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post


No problem Mike...

I haven't received the FW upgrade e-mail from Onkyo yet but here are my test results with the Oppo 103:

Output Resolution on 103 set to "1080p"
1080p24 output set to "ON"
HDMI Options/Color Space set to "AUTO"
HDMI Options/Deep Color set to "OFF"

While playing a Blu-ray movie and pressing the INFO button on the remote the following is displayed on the screen:

VC1 BDMV 23.976Hz 16:9

Pressing the PAGE UP button on the remote:

HDMI 1: 1080p@24Hz 4:4:4 24b bitstream

HDMI 2: Not Connected

I will see if anything changes after the FW upgrade...


The Oppo 103 will just display 24 and 60, its just rounding up the numbers. If you use the VP section in the oppo it WILL NOT alter the signal but it will NOT show you the accurate frame rate when you hit the display/info button. I wanted to use the 103 as a test device.
post #4582 of 9534
Has anyone mentioned the following.
When playing audio files (flac) on media player and feed the receiver via Hdmi after a couple of minutes (sometimes within the first song others at the second) I hear a switch clang, music stops, and after a few seconds it comes on again. As it was on pure audio mode the display was off so i couldn't check if anything was written, well actually I was out of sight and running towards the receiver to see what happens. I know I do have to check it in detail though just wonder if anybody else has mentioned this?
post #4583 of 9534
sorry edit!
Edited by Marco Giudice - 1/28/13 at 1:06pm
post #4584 of 9534
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Marco Giudice View Post

anybody that's waiting for a FW update from Onkyo and haven't received it... im uploading to dropbox as we speak and will give you the link if you ask nicely smile.gif So that the people with the proper tools can gives a full evidence of what everyone is dying to hear cool.gif

Onkyo is probably not going to be particularly happy that you are publicly offering to upload and host firmware that they only want select people testing.... doing things like this is the reason it is so hard to get early access to firmware like this from the manufacturers... fear of people uploading it on the internet and giving it to everyone. So, while this might seem to you like you're helping people out or that it's innocent fun, I would say contact Onkyo first and see what they have to say about it.
post #4585 of 9534
totally understand and i dont want to mess it up for us if we need them again, next time. i apologize for my mistake to the forum and anyone i offended!
post #4586 of 9534
I had a chance to install the firmware Onkyo sent me. While the instructions detailed updating it until reaching XXX firmware it didn't give me an option to upgrade more then the first/only time I went through the instructions.
While 1080p/24 does not work with Comcast cable feeds (strobes horribly) I tested 1080p/24 material and I did not see the judder that I saw before when viewing 1080p/24 materials.
Mind you this was watching one movie as I have had major electronic issues (PC just stopped booting, re-setting up my entire theater system etc) I will provide more updates on this.
So it appears that the bug w/24 material is address in this firmware update.
post #4587 of 9534
Just a heads up Onkyo has suspended the distribution of the update due to the unauthorized distribution .. It's posted on the support site . Shame for those that need it.
post #4588 of 9534
Weird, cut-off those trying to help you. I asked Onkyo for it and they didn't respond.

Well, Onkyo, we look forward to the public release and do appreciate the issue being addressed.
post #4589 of 9534
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

Ran into the same problem seting my brothers Denon up, had to run analog audio cables instead.

Thanks for responding Mike. I think I am going to try the Component to HDMI converter (like this one from MonoPrice http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011406&p_id=5971&seq=1&format=2) as I already have the HDMI cable run. Running additional cables would be problematic. My previous setup used Component for everything which left the HDMI port from the DirectTV receiver available.
post #4590 of 9534
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Originally Posted by InfernoST View Post

You can submit what is called a feature request to Onkyo but will probably need a lot of people requesting the same feature if it indeed was never part of the spec.

Some crowd endlessly trying to convince everyone that gapless is a feature (obviously covering their own backs after total failure). But gapless is a feature of the loosless file format, not the player. Lack of gapless in the player is a BUG, same as lack of proper 24p support, it is even worse. And loosless is definitely part of the spec!
It is the same as if CD player lacked gapless - it would be considered a buggy unusable player immediately by the owners, and none of the CD players had "gapless" in the spec, as it is implied by the media.

Unfortunately for gapless issue things are not looking as bright as with 24p issue and Onkyo after a lot of complains 'officially' declared they are not working on this and have no plans on the fix.
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