Onkyo TX-NR818 "official" owner's thread discussion - Page 153

From stereophile
"In addition, while the speaker's impedance magnitude drops to around 4.1 ohms in the lower mids and the high treble (fig.1), it is generally an easy load for an amplifier to drive. However, a combination of 5 ohms magnitude and 45 degrees capacitive phase angle at 90Hz will mean that the best amplifier would be one rated into 4 ohms."

"Sensitivity: 89dB/2,83V/m. Frequency response: 45Hz-20kHz"

Although getting close to 4 Ohms, the 818 is rated to 4 ohms so it is supposed to be fine. Also given the sensitivity you should be fine there too. Depending how far away you sit you may not be able to get to reference but if you keep it below -5 you should still be low distortion. If you find you are getting distortion or clipping at the volumes you listen at then it's time to look into an amp. I use an Emotiva across my front three which really only makes a difference at high volumes which I do once in a blue moon. Its nice to know its there, the system has breathing room, and the occasional at reference fun time is still clean, but in reality it's rarely used. Glad I only splurged on the emo and not a Classe or something.

ß-firmware: 1110-8103-0101-0000
(using USB HDD with two partitions, all done under 15')

Testing update:

HDMI main out (YCbCr 422) using 1080i59.94 BD source (concert video):

• 1080p59.94 outputs correctly on all modes except Direct (n/a on direct mode obviously);
• 1080i59.94 outputs correctly on Direct mode.

Previously using BD 23.98p film source:
• 23.98p outputs correctly on all modes. Custom mode all at default values (can't test all the combinations of settings);

No undesirable effects observed so far.

Sounds like its fixed and no need to buy the Dvdo Duo for further testing, well done.

hopefully it did not break something else. I wonder if they post this firmware publicly or just send it to whoever wants it via email.

Well we proved their product is flawed so I would HOPE they would release a firmware update so all Onkyo 818 users would benefit.
Edited by Mike Butny - 1/27/13 at 7:50pm

Its not just 818 owners though. There are products both up and down the line aswell as older AVRs that are affected. The Integra models are also affected, but at least in the case of the DTR 50.4, it shares the same firmware as the 818, so at the very least it should be able to use this firmware.

Pat on the back, we did good with this then...

Yes, I bet the 1010, 3010, and 5010 is also flawed. Well hopefully Onkyo turns it around and from now on they fully test their product before it gets released.

They fixed the 24 FPS bug? Wow that was really the only thing holding me back from getting the 818, now I may have to reconsider it . It's about time Onkyo but well done! Next time test your products better before release...

I would wait it out a bit longer.

I am still leaning towards Pioneer, but the 818 would be a decent contender IF the issues are fixed.

The more people with vps test it the better. Scientific observations need to be confirmed by others independently.

Don't people with Lumagen vps want to test it too?

Not public yet, just ask politely via email.

I asked for the update on Friday about 11:30 am and had the updated FW at 1:00 pm!
Just ask for the FW, give them your name and email, done!

Will they eventually be making a public release of the firmware update once it has been tested?

I asked Friday afternoon, still nothing

No problem Mike...

I haven't received the FW upgrade e-mail from Onkyo yet but here are my test results with the Oppo 103:

Output Resolution on 103 set to "1080p"
1080p24 output set to "ON"
HDMI Options/Color Space set to "AUTO"
HDMI Options/Deep Color set to "OFF"

While playing a Blu-ray movie and pressing the INFO button on the remote the following is displayed on the screen:

VC1 BDMV 23.976Hz 16:9

Pressing the PAGE UP button on the remote:

HDMI 1: 1080p@24Hz 4:4:4 24b bitstream

HDMI 2: Not Connected

I will see if anything changes after the FW upgrade...

Found the Onkyo on sale for $799 online. Looks like the price is good until 1/31/13. You think a better price will come along by July?

Further testing over the weekend seems to indicate there is no way, that i can find, to send the audio on the SUB HDMI AND process the audio in the 8118. Just wanted to check to see if there was a hidden "switch" that anyone may have found.

At this point I am considering adding a Component to HDMI converter from my DirectTV Receiver to drive the TV in my garage. 99% of the time, I will be watching this content.

The 8118 is an audio beast! The Audessey XT32 put my media room into another stratosphere! Really really pleased.

 

Who knows?  But that is an incredibly cheap way to get the benefits of Audyssey MultEQ XT32.

Ran into the same problem seting my brothers Denon up, had to run analog audio cables instead.

The Oppo 103 will just display 24 and 60, its just rounding up the numbers. If you use the VP section in the oppo it WILL NOT alter the signal but it will NOT show you the accurate frame rate when you hit the display/info button. I wanted to use the 103 as a test device.

Has anyone mentioned the following.
When playing audio files (flac) on media player and feed the receiver via Hdmi after a couple of minutes (sometimes within the first song others at the second) I hear a switch clang, music stops, and after a few seconds it comes on again. As it was on pure audio mode the display was off so i couldn't check if anything was written, well actually I was out of sight and running towards the receiver to see what happens. I know I do have to check it in detail though just wonder if anybody else has mentioned this?

sorry edit!
Edited by Marco Giudice - 1/28/13 at 1:06pm

totally understand and i dont want to mess it up for us if we need them again, next time. i apologize for my mistake to the forum and anyone i offended!

I had a chance to install the firmware Onkyo sent me. While the instructions detailed updating it until reaching XXX firmware it didn't give me an option to upgrade more then the first/only time I went through the instructions.
While 1080p/24 does not work with Comcast cable feeds (strobes horribly) I tested 1080p/24 material and I did not see the judder that I saw before when viewing 1080p/24 materials.
Mind you this was watching one movie as I have had major electronic issues (PC just stopped booting, re-setting up my entire theater system etc) I will provide more updates on this.
So it appears that the bug w/24 material is address in this firmware update.

Just a heads up Onkyo has suspended the distribution of the update due to the unauthorized distribution .. It's posted on the support site . Shame for those that need it.

Weird, cut-off those trying to help you. I asked Onkyo for it and they didn't respond.

Well, Onkyo, we look forward to the public release and do appreciate the issue being addressed.

Thanks for responding Mike. I think I am going to try the Component to HDMI converter (like this one from MonoPrice http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011406&p_id=5971&seq=1&format=2) as I already have the HDMI cable run. Running additional cables would be problematic. My previous setup used Component for everything which left the HDMI port from the DirectTV receiver available.

Some crowd endlessly trying to convince everyone that gapless is a feature (obviously covering their own backs after total failure). But gapless is a feature of the loosless file format, not the player. Lack of gapless in the player is a BUG, same as lack of proper 24p support, it is even worse. And loosless is definitely part of the spec!
It is the same as if CD player lacked gapless - it would be considered a buggy unusable player immediately by the owners, and none of the CD players had "gapless" in the spec, as it is implied by the media.

Unfortunately for gapless issue things are not looking as bright as with 24p issue and Onkyo after a lot of complains 'officially' declared they are not working on this and have no plans on the fix.