Onkyo TX-NR818 "official" owner's thread discussion - Page 156

i dont underastand why hes having those problems. i connect my DVR straight to my AVR and no problems

Does your DVR change output resolution for each channel (i.e. Native mode) or do you have it set to output 1 res no matter what?

If there is a Native setting for resolution, try it. When you go from something like CBS (which uses 1080i) and Fox (which uses 720p) you will most likely see a delay while the DVR changes output resolution.

Its not the AVR causing the issue as much as it is the cable/DVR box taking its grand old time to change output resolution. It will kill the signal to the AVR for a bit, and then the AVR will have to re-lock onto the new res signal, then send it back to the TV. Add up all those timings and 15 seconds isnt out of the realm of possibility.

Use component and toslink/coax and you never have the problem.

i see what your saying. How big of a differences will someone notice if you let your cable box do the up converting from the avr doing it.. UP conversion is UP conversion? Does no do a better job then the other?

sorry
Edited by Marco Giudice - 1/30/13 at 10:20am

Thanks for your help everyone. I found a setting on the BDP which seamed a little ambiguous causing the issue, I thought it was related to the Toslink and Coaxial outputs only.



I changed it to Bitstream and all is now working as it should. I've been playing with the setting and am finding that it sounds better in bitstream.

I agree 100% !!

It depends, but in most cases the scalers in a cable boxes are pretty terrible and the 818's is quite good.

Like most things it's a compromise. If you like to channel surf taking the hit each time will stink so letting the STB do it is probably better, but if you mostly watch recorded TV or stick with one "live" channel the 818 is the better place to handle all the VP.

Happens with recorded shows too (we were watching Merlin that I recorded) that shows off the issue. It's not the box since we have the same Tivo in our living room but different AVR and TV and no issues w/the picture but the TV does not support 1080p - just 1080i.

TBC, I wasn't saying that recorded shows are immune from syncing, just that taking a few seconds to sync up per 30 to 60 minute period isn't terrible.

I've just sent a request for the firmware then realized someone ****ed it up for us. Great.

I doubt you'll be able to see a difference. The scalers may not be that good, but they're good enough. Besides, it's just TV--it's not like there aren't a million other factors contributing to a less-than-perfect picture. Also, your Onkyo will still be outputting 1080p to your display, so the VP is at least doing something.

One thing I can guarantee is that once you experience uninterrupted channel-surfing, you'll never go back. Talk about gapless playback!

IMO if you're using linear TV, linearly, you're doing it wrong .

Yeah was gonna say, whats channel surfing when you have a DVR?

Try this i think it fixes the pass thru issue and doesnt taker longer then normal to change res when flipping channels
here's how you get passthru to work. First, do the initial setup of the resolutions your TV can display. This is done buy turning off the box and hitting HD zoom on the remote. Make sure you select all resolutions. Turn the box back on. Then, turn the box off again. This time hold in the CH + and the CH - buttons on the box. This takes to a different screen. You should be able to scroll through all the resolutions by pressing the left or right arrow key on your remote.

edit: i dont think it stopped the issue after further testing... but just let the box up convert it and just the AVR to do the rest to bring it up to 1080p and its a done issue
Edited by Marco Giudice - 1/30/13 at 12:27pm

What do you mean?
They refused to give it to you?

Can anyone tell me if the 818 is capable of producing enough power at the 1.6 ohm rating. I know certain frequencies require more power, and I'm using a set of 6 ohm rated Martin Logan ESLs, they can dip to 1.6 ohms in order to send out the 20-22 kHz range.

Thanks

I agree that the 818 does a better job but like the others, I don't care for the interruption and all the video crashing that comes with it. I asked someone before if that could possibly cause problems with the (previously) less than reliable HDMI boards that Onkyo uses. The answer was 'No' but who really knows what causes all the failures.

I just set the Directv box to 1080i and the 818 converts it to 1080p.

Forum moderator posted on Onkyo support thread about the 24p bug that since people have handed it out personally they are stopping handing it out to those who request it legitimately (i.e. through an email to Onkyo support)

My guess is that everyone will get it when Onkyo declares it official and posts it to their site.

Speaking for the 809 I had recently, but yeah....all of the HDMI switching (resolution switching, source switching, HDMI startup from the AVR being off, etc) seem to take WAY too long on the Onkyos. I counted 15-20 second startup time from a cold boot of the AVR. My TV sat on "no signal detected" for 10 of those seconds.

Returned the 809 and replaced with a Pio which supposedly works a lot better in this regard. If the Pio takes just about as long, not sure what I would do next. The advantage is that the Pio uses very little power in HDMI passthrough mode, so I could use that. Someone spec-ed the Onkyo as using 30W just sitting there in standby w/HDMI passthrough enabled. Seems like a lot. But more importantly, all that power turns into heat and warms up the HDMI board.....the less heat the better, I say!

So focusing on HDMI switching and the 818... Do people believe it's slower than other brands? For a non-HDCP encrypted stream I'd hope that it would take just a second or two in order to switch to a new output. My understanding is the 818 model year has different video hardware so while older years may be slow, perhaps this model year isn't?

I appreciate any comments from owners...

... Altan

Hey I just joined this forum to get some more information about some of the receivers I have. I noticed some posts about this "24fps issue" which was very helpful to me. I always thought that I was the fault of the equipment I had and not the receiver. But as I read here, I'm not the only one. Thank you guys for enlightening me. How do I go by solving this? Where do I pull a firmware from? I do not see it on the Onkyo website pertaining to this issue. Forgive me for I haven't had the chance to read throughout all the pages on this thread.

Need some help

My 818 introduces no delay in switching HDMI. Going from my cable box directly to my Panny plasma, it takes approx 5 seconds to complete the handshake when changing channels (cable box set to "native"). Running through my 818, the handshake is the same. There is no resync resulting from accessing menus, pausing, rewinding, fast forwarding, etc. I also doubt any AVR with a similar feature set starts up much faster from power on to video displayed than the 818.

@fredthesoundguy...
The "beta" firmware fix for the 24fps bug is not available from Onkyo...at this time you would have to use the HDMI SUB out to avoid the problem 100%.

Contact Onkyo support.

Very happy to report that this was indeed the issue. I thought I had all 1.4v hdmi, but apparently the one going from my BD to the receiver was not! Everything is working perfectly now, thanks so much for pointing out this completely obvious solution to me that I should have thought of in the first place.

If you want that get an AntiMode Dual Core.

There, order has been restored.

Best help you can get is read the thread.. A wealth of information.

Thanks for this. Do you have any images from your VP (thought you mentioned sending post-FW-update images to Onkyo), and if so, do you mind posting them here? Thanks again!

But if you tune to a show that is 1080p will that cause the receiver to convert it? I believe my DirectTV box had a separate box for clicking 1080p that said, paraphrasing, If 1080p resolution is received it will be sent.