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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

I've tried numerous settings and it won't pass-through comcast cable. What settings are you using on yours and I'll give it a try!
I've checked and the only thing that doing that is sort of unconventional is, I don't have the cable/satellite hooked into the revue. I have the revue going into receiver with hdmi and that's it. i really only use the revue to surf and YouTube. you might hook it up that way to see if it is related. hope this. helps some. if you have any other questions let me know .
post #5042 of 9541
Okay take two. I ran into an issue on position 7 speaker match. I checked all my wires made sure nothing came loose then reset the receiver completely. Crossing fingers and prying to the audyssey gods this time.
post #5043 of 9541
Has anyone messed with audio return channel over hdmi from a television? I have a Vizio E601-A3 that I have an antenna hooked up too and then have hdmi going from the tv to the receiver. If I turn the tv on it automatically switches the receiver over to TV/CD mode even if the tv boots to input HDMI1. So does anyone know any way to either prevent the receiver from switching to TV/CD?

The reason this is all becoming a headache is that I have a harmony one remote that I have programmed already to set the receiver to the proper input. But no matter what the receiver will switch itself to TV/CD once it gets the signal from the tv it seems.
post #5044 of 9541
Okay this doesn't seem good. I just posted in the official audyssey thread that it keeps getting the error at the same spot. Everything seems okay within my system. Has anyone run audyssey since receiving the 24fps bug fix?
post #5045 of 9541
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Originally Posted by robx View Post

So does anyone know any way to either prevent the receiver from switching to TV/CD?

You'll have to disable CEC on the TV.
post #5046 of 9541
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Originally Posted by stitch1 View Post

Okay this doesn't seem good. I just posted in the official audyssey thread that it keeps getting the error at the same spot. Everything seems okay within my system. Has anyone run audyssey since receiving the 24fps bug fix?

Yes, I've run it 3 times with that firmware ... just playing around. No trouble at all.
post #5047 of 9541
Okay after many attempts I finally got it to fully run. However I had to leave the mic in one location. I'm going to try to run it again tomorrow.
post #5048 of 9541
With the issue I have been having, I played the Aliens blu-ray in my PS3 (set to bitstream over HDMI). The mucked up Audyssey setting was immediately apparent, as during the intense rescue scene where the marines first run into the aliens, there is fantastic midbass from the pulse guns and the monster smart guns, as well as a rocking military drum beat. All of this part of the soundtrack was very muffled, with only the very bottom end from the sub and the high frequencies accentuated. My ears are hurting from the bad sound, but I haven't been able to spend much time to play around with calibration and settings, but something is definitely messed up here.
post #5049 of 9541
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Originally Posted by raaj View Post

Can you access the Network configuration details through the Home-> Hardware Setup -> Network, and check the IP address configured on the receiver. Make sure the Gateway and DNS Server details matches your internet router's configuration. If you have access to your router's administration interface, check to make sure that your receiver has an entry in the clients list, and see if you can revoke the DHCP address lease for your receiver, forcing it to renew its IP address lease from the router. You may alternatively try to unplug your receiver from the router, reboot the router, and once it's back online, connect your receiver to the router. Try these steps and post your findings.

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Originally Posted by RPGMasta View Post

Thanks raaj

I did find the IP, that's how i was able to access the Receiver's settings through my PC browser.
I might not be gifted enough to revoke the DHCP lease, but I did remove the Onkyo's IP (matched MAC address just to be sure) from the DHCP client list through my router's admin interface. it has not shown back up on the list before or after router reboot.

i have verified it is not the cable, as the BluRay player still reaches the internet after swapping.

I suppose I should have tried this first, but unplugging the receiver's power for 15+ minutes did the trick. The NET menu has returned.
post #5050 of 9541
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Originally Posted by ppp121h View Post

I've checked and the only thing that doing that is sort of unconventional is, I don't have the cable/satellite hooked into the revue. I have the revue going into receiver with hdmi and that's it. i really only use the revue to surf and YouTube. you might hook it up that way to see if it is related. hope this. helps some. if you have any other questions let me know .
Thanks - I'll either just connect the Revue or I might use one of my two 4 x 2 HDMI switches sitting in my basement collecting dust and just have my main computer HDMI into it and then send the signal out: one to the AVR the other to my PC monitor.
post #5051 of 9541
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Originally Posted by raaj View Post

Igor, and Stitch1:

You guys have highlighted the problem I was thinking I alone was suffering from. Please continue your feedback on various things you try, in this thread and the general Audyssey thread. I will do the same.

Please submit bug reports to techsupport@audyssey.com

Posting them here at AVS doesn't help.

There's also no longer a direct way of getting in contact with Chris Kyriakakis. This has been posted at their (former?) support site https://audyssey.zendesk.com/home

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post #5052 of 9541
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Originally Posted by RPGMasta View Post


I suppose I should have tried this first, but unplugging the receiver's power for 15+ minutes did the trick. The NET menu has returned.

I recall reading somewhere that the 818's network stack isn't as robust as it should be and some network devices will cause it to stop working. Hopefully this doesn't become a reoccurring problem for you.
post #5053 of 9541
Just followed my own advice and re-submitted a bug report to techsupport@audyssey.com. This created a new ticket at https://audyssey.zendesk.com/home - WTF?
post #5054 of 9541
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Originally Posted by Slingblayde View Post

Is it because I have it in the basement?
Yes.
post #5055 of 9541
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

Please submit bug reports to techsupport@audyssey.com
Surely.
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

Posting them here at AVS doesn't help.
It helps as there are many people here who have problems but not reporting it just because they are thinking it is not the receiver that causes problems (same as was with 24p bug until some moment), most didn't/cannot measure their setups, and had nothing in the past to compare their experience to, thinking it is how theirs system really should sound (yes, it's very loud after all). Rising it here will help other people who met the problem to identify it and report it to Onkyo/Audyssey. I would really like if more people measured their 818. To the date I've seen only three conclusive measurements of XT32 of the 818. Mine, yours, and from another user on russian forum. Two of the three shows the problem clearly... So, the problem is definitely not unique to me, while definitely there are also users who are unaffected.
post #5056 of 9541
I have reported the issue to Onkyo. Once I can measure what I am hearing and confirm the issue then I will pass that along to Audyssey.
post #5057 of 9541
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Originally Posted by stitch1 View Post

I have reported the issue to Onkyo. Once I can measure what I am hearing and confirm the issue then I will pass that along to Audyssey.

To measure pre-outs you only need a PC with line input and line output (or HDMI output).
post #5058 of 9541
I was going to use an Omni mic. But what you are saying seems to take more of the variables out. So how do I do this? I have both line in and out on my PC.
post #5059 of 9541
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Originally Posted by stitch1 View Post

I was going to use an Omni mic. But what you are saying seems to take more of the variables out. So how do I do this? I have both line in and out on my PC.

Download and install REW, visit your sound card drivers preferences and ensure all the processing is switched off. Connect PC line out to Receiver line in, receiver pre-out to PC line in. Play with REW smile.gif It takes time...

Set your receiver to Pure Audio and ensure you can get reasonably flat frequency response graph, this will mean everything is setup correctly. Then turn on the stereo mode on the receiver, turn off Dynamic EQ, and measure with and without Audyssey involved. It is also good to set your speakers to Full Range for easier comparisons, but once there are both pre and post Audyssey lines on the same graph with all other settings equal it is enough to do the conclusion.
post #5060 of 9541
Sounds like a plan for this weekend. I'll let you know my results.

Thanks,
post #5061 of 9541
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Originally Posted by IgorZep View Post

Surely.
It helps as there are many people here who have problems but not reporting it just because they are thinking it is not the receiver that causes problems (same as was with 24p bug until some moment), most didn't/cannot measure their setups, and had nothing in the past to compare their experience to, thinking it is how theirs system really should sound (yes, it's very loud after all). Rising it here will help other people who met the problem to identify it and report it to Onkyo/Audyssey. I would really like if more people measured their 818. To the date I've seen only three conclusive measurements of XT32 of the 818. Mine, yours, and from another user on russian forum. Two of the three shows the problem clearly... So, the problem is definitely not unique to me, while definitely there are also users who are unaffected.

i am by no means an audiophile nut or someone who has golden ears, but if i had an audy problem would i be able to tell w/out measurements or is there no way in doing that. my point i guess is did you notice an issue only because your equipment told you so or did you "hear" the problem. my system sure "sounds" good to me.
post #5062 of 9541
I don't know about IgorZep, but I definitely could hear a problem. It is not a major problem but I can tell when my tweeter is being driven into distortion. Also I can and have compared my Denon with XT to my Onkyo with XT32 and overall I like the sound of the XT32 better except the really high frequencies. Hopefully its just a mic issue and I can fix it easily.
post #5063 of 9541
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

i am by no means an audiophile nut or someone who has golden ears, but if i had an audy problem would i be able to tell w/out measurements or is there no way in doing that. my point i guess is did you notice an issue only because your equipment told you so or did you "hear" the problem. my system sure "sounds" good to me.

I noticed it first because I hear the problem. But it is not something that could be immediately obvious to someone who doesn't know what to expect from the receiver of such class. It plays loud. It plays clear at low volumes. It plays well some of the content. But as soon as there is some hard content, like a lot of instruments playing together, a lot of deep low frequencies, mid frequencies and high frequencies together, it becomes a total mess, high frequencies are simply start to sound harsh, physically sharp, and clean sounds become muddy/vibrating/distorted, so even volume levels like -20dB (relative) become unlistenable for music, especially with acoustic instruments involved, higher than -10dB becomes unlistenable in most movies as soon as effects come into play, while the speakers are pretty capable to play those scenes without disturbing distortion at reference level (0dB) even with a lot less powerful amplifiers. And as soon as I switch Audyssey off - this receiver plays everything well at those same levels, but... surely the frequency response suffers and now I have choice - to listen to distortion or room modes at low frequencies.

I don't have golden ears too. My high-frequency sensitivity is really not very good, but for example I easily spot mp3 compression sometimes where others don't. This might be because I never listened to mp3's frequently enough, so I am not used to this kind of distortion it introduces, so my ears easily spot synthetics in the sound, or as it is quite frequent this days - the editing of voice when singer miss notes, while those people who listen mp3 more frequently simply used to this sound and perceive it all as natural. So, depends on what your ears are used to, you might hear the problem with Audyssey or might not. It could be really hard to tell if you haven't heard something other in this class, so you will be confused at some point - is it just very loud, or is it distorted. Also the problem might be present or not, even if it is present you could have other conditions (like speakers F3 detected as less 40Hz) that will hide the problem well as there is not much music with frequencies bellow 40Hz...

So, if you are happy with the sound, well, it is OK and I am happy for you. If you want to ensure or to help others to collect some statistics - do it, I will say thank you. smile.gif
post #5064 of 9541
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

i am by no means an audiophile nut or someone who has golden ears, but if i had an audy problem would i be able to tell w/out measurements or is there no way in doing that. my point i guess is did you notice an issue only because your equipment told you so or did you "hear" the problem. my system sure "sounds" good to me.
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Originally Posted by stitch1 View Post

I don't know about IgorZep, but I definitely could hear a problem. It is not a major problem but I can tell when my tweeter is being driven into distortion. Also I can and have compared my Denon with XT to my Onkyo with XT32 and overall I like the sound of the XT32 better except the really high frequencies. Hopefully its just a mic issue and I can fix it easily.

If anyone had the kind of discrepancy I've had, it wouldn't take golden ears to notice the difference. I could definitely hear the difference in the sonic balance once the sub and the receiver has been introduced into the setup. It was as if the bottom end dropped out and all I was hearing was the accentuated high frequency range. As an example I quoted yesterday, watching the Aliens blu-ray, the iconic sequence where the marines run into the aliens for the first time, the sound of the smart guns and the military drum beat were all but snubbed out. Anyone who heard this sequence before would have immediately felt there was something wrong with the balance of the sound.
post #5065 of 9541
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Originally Posted by stitch1 View Post

I don't know about IgorZep, but I definitely could hear a problem. It is not a major problem but I can tell when my tweeter is being driven into distortion. Also I can and have compared my Denon with XT to my Onkyo with XT32 and overall I like the sound of the XT32 better except the really high frequencies. Hopefully its just a mic issue and I can fix it easily.

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Originally Posted by IgorZep View Post

I noticed it first because I hear the problem. But it is not something that could be immediately obvious to someone who doesn't know what to expect from the receiver of such class. It plays loud. It plays clear at low volumes. It plays well some of the content. But as soon as there is some hard content, like a lot of instruments playing together, a lot of deep low frequencies, mid frequencies and high frequencies together, it becomes a total mess, high frequencies are simply start to sound harsh, physically sharp, and clean sounds become muddy/vibrating/distorted, so even volume levels like -20dB (relative) become unlistenable for music, especially with acoustic instruments involved, higher than -10dB becomes unlistenable in most movies as soon as effects come into play, while the speakers are pretty capable to play those scenes without disturbing distortion at reference level (0dB) even with a lot less powerful amplifiers. And as soon as I switch Audyssey off - this receiver plays everything well at those same levels, but... surely the frequency response suffers and now I have choice - to listen to distortion or room modes at low frequencies.

I don't have golden ears too. My high-frequency sensitivity is really not very good, but for example I easily spot mp3 compression sometimes where others don't. This might be because I never listened to mp3's frequently enough, so I am not used to this kind of distortion it introduces, so my ears easily spot synthetics in the sound, or as it is quite frequent this days - the editing of voice when singer miss notes, while those people who listen mp3 more frequently simply used to this sound and perceive it all as natural. So, depends on what your ears are used to, you might hear the problem with Audyssey or might not. It could be really hard to tell if you haven't heard something other in this class, so you will be confused at some point - is it just very loud, or is it distorted. Also the problem might be present or not, even if it is present you could have other conditions (like speakers F3 detected as less 40Hz) that will hide the problem well as there is not much music with frequencies bellow 40Hz...

So, if you are happy with the sound, well, it is OK and I am happy for you. If you want to ensure or to help others to collect some statistics - do it, I will say thank you. smile.gif

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Originally Posted by raaj View Post


If anyone had the kind of discrepancy I've had, it wouldn't take golden ears to notice the difference. I could definitely hear the difference in the sonic balance once the sub and the receiver has been introduced into the setup. It was as if the bottom end dropped out and all I was hearing was the accentuated high frequency range. As an example I quoted yesterday, watching the Aliens blu-ray, the iconic sequence where the marines run into the aliens for the first time, the sound of the smart guns and the military drum beat were all but snubbed out. Anyone who heard this sequence before would have immediately felt there was something wrong with the balance of the sound.

ok thx guys for the better understanding.....
post #5066 of 9541
Looking for 24fps test experts...

Do we know if the beta 24 fps firmware only outputs 23.97 fps when doing direct mode? Or will you get 23.97 in other modes as long as your source is 23.97?

Sadly my display just rounds 23.97 to 24 so I cannot tell without doing some painful viewing testing.... So I thought I'd ask before doing any tests.
post #5067 of 9541
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Originally Posted by IgorZep View Post

Surely.
It helps as there are many people here who have problems but not reporting it just because they are thinking it is not the receiver that causes problems (same as was with 24p bug until some moment), most didn't/cannot measure their setups, and had nothing in the past to compare their experience to, thinking it is how theirs system really should sound (yes, it's very loud after all). Rising it here will help other people who met the problem to identify it and report it to Onkyo/Audyssey. I would really like if more people measured their 818. To the date I've seen only three conclusive measurements of XT32 of the 818. Mine, yours, and from another user on russian forum. Two of the three shows the problem clearly... So, the problem is definitely not unique to me, while definitely there are also users who are unaffected.

Having a problem and reporting a bug are two very different things. All I've said is "report bugs to techsupport@audyssey.com". Problems on the other hand can and should be discussed openly in a forum like this. A bug might cause that problem (unlikely) or something else is causing issues (more likely). If a bug is uncovered, report it to techsupport@audyssey.com otherwise there's no chance of getting it fixed.
post #5068 of 9541
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

Looking for 24fps test experts...

Do we know if the beta 24 fps firmware only outputs 23.97 fps when doing direct mode? Or will you get 23.97 in other modes as long as your source is 23.97?

Sadly my display just rounds 23.97 to 24 so I cannot tell without doing some painful viewing testing.... So I thought I'd ask before doing any tests.


ß-firmware: 1110-8103-0101-0000
(using USB HDD with two partitions, all done under 15')

Testing update:

HDMI main out (YCbCr 422) using 1080i59.94 BD source (concert video):

• 1080p59.94 outputs correctly on all modes except Direct (n/a on direct mode obviously);
• 1080i59.94 outputs correctly on Direct mode.

Previously using BD 23.98p film source:
• 23.98p outputs correctly on all modes. Custom mode all at default values (can't test all the combinations of settings);

No undesirable effects observed so far.


This info is from post 4564
post #5069 of 9541
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Originally Posted by raaj View Post


If anyone had the kind of discrepancy I've had, it wouldn't take golden ears to notice the difference. I could definitely hear the difference in the sonic balance once the sub and the receiver has been introduced into the setup. It was as if the bottom end dropped out and all I was hearing was the accentuated high frequency range. As an example I quoted yesterday, watching the Aliens blu-ray, the iconic sequence where the marines run into the aliens for the first time, the sound of the smart guns and the military drum beat were all but snubbed out. Anyone who heard this sequence before would have immediately felt there was something wrong with the balance of the sound.

Wow I just came to this thread looking for some answers and feel fortunate in a way I suppose, that I'm not the only one. With Audyssey and for a greater part Dynamic eq on, my speakers sound like a clock radio. The treble is boosted ridiculously and the midbass is gone. I have Monitor Audio Gold 20 towers and a Parasound A23 amp, and with Audyssey off, the system sounds good as-is, though lacking some detail. But with Audyssey on, I might as well throw the equipment out the window. I've tried several positions with the included mic, but the results are the basically the same.
post #5070 of 9541
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Originally Posted by gdawgrappa View Post

Wow I just came to this thread looking for some answers and feel fortunate in a way I suppose, that I'm not the only one. With Audyssey and for a greater part Dynamic eq on, my speakers sound like a clock radio. The treble is boosted ridiculously and the midbass is gone. I have Monitor Audio Gold 20 towers and a Parasound A23 amp, and with Audyssey off, the system sounds good as-is, though lacking some detail. But with Audyssey on, I might as well throw the equipment out the window. I've tried several positions with the included mic, but the results are the basically the same.
I enjoy the sound. I never use Dynamic EQ though.
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