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2/24/13 at 9:43am
sorry, I screwed up the quotes. the second half of the msg above is my opinion.
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post #5162 of 6979
2/24/13 at 9:58am
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I tend to support Igor posting here as it adds visibility to Onkyo. Only Onkyo will release a few fix for 818 eq, not Audyssey. My assumption is there is an implementation issue in the 818. This discussion along with a couple others chiming in about sound quality and HDMI reliability has caused me to delay my purchasing decision and to look at other brands. Onkyo needs to understand that if a reasonable argument is made on the eq curve results in overdriving speakers past their physical limits this is not acceptable and should be investigated directly with the complaining user and not debated on a forum. I have seen nothing in Igors posts to indicate he has been contacted by Onkyo.

 

Igor has posted that neither Onkyo nor Audyssey can reproduce the situation he has described. I guess that pretty much terminates things from their POV.

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post #5163 of 6979
2/24/13 at 10:19am
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Thanks Marcus. I knew the difference but unfortunately wrote the wrong thing, which made my question confusing. I left out dynamic.

To correct...

Anyone out there who is happy with Audyssey Dynamic EQ done any comparisons with THX loudness plus?

The only differences I can hear between the two is the bass. It appears to me that Audyssey Dynamic EQ will try to bring reference bass levels at a lower listening level, where as the THX Loudness Plus bass levels is less aggressive and easier on less powerful subwoofers and doesn't appear to boost bass levels at lower listening levels. I personally prefer Audyssey Dynamic EQ for the bass.
Edited by BIGBEAR2004 - 2/24/13 at 10:42am
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2/24/13 at 10:32am
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I tend to support Igor posting here as it adds visibility to Onkyo. Only Onkyo will release a few fix for 818 eq, not Audyssey. My assumption is there is an implementation issue in the 818. This discussion along with a couple others chiming in about sound quality and HDMI reliability has caused me to delay my purchasing decision and to look at other brands. Onkyo needs to understand that if a reasonable argument is made on the eq curve results in overdriving speakers past their physical limits this is not acceptable and should be investigated directly with the complaining user and not debated on a forum. I have seen nothing in Igors posts to indicate he has been contacted by Onkyo.

Sorry but Igor has not shown that MultEQ misbehaves. MultEQ's purpose is to flatten the frequency response and that's exactly what you can see in his own measurements.
You might disagree with Audyssey's approach to room correction, nevertheless it works as advertised.
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post #5165 of 6979
2/24/13 at 10:40am
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You should have gotten an email right after sending the online form. Check your spam folder.

I haven't received any mail, even in spam folder...
I tried US site, there they explicitly state that they will not support buyers from countries other than US and Canada. Then I checked their support forum and one moderator there promised to find a colleague of his in europe to take care for someone who was complaining. I add my request ther as well, I hope I will get somehow that firmware!!
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post #5166 of 6979
2/24/13 at 11:53am
I think I've found a bug in either Onkyo's implementation of Audyssey Dynamic EQ or Audyssey Dynamic EQ itself related to source switching. I'm guessing it's Onkyo's fault, but who knows.

I can reproduce it, so I'm wondering if someone out there has a similar setup who can try it...

Setup:
1) Have War of the Worlds Bluray
2) Have a Queen CD or quality AAC with "Don't Stop Me Now" (I've got the AAC version from Queens Greatest Hits)
3) Play War of the Worlds with DTS Master Audio on BD input and go to the chapter with the news lady @ around -20 dB and have Audyssey Dynamic EQ enabled (with Audyssey Music).
4) Simultaneously play "Don't Stop Me Now" on a source that feeds into TV/CD on the Onkyo --- you shouldn't hear it, but it just primes the data
5) Watch 10 or 20 seconds of bluray
6) Press the TV/CD button to switch to the Queen song, at which point you should hear the Queen music since you started it earlier
7) You should see the video from War of the Worlds and hear the audio from "Don't Stop Me Now"
8) Turn the volume down to -35 dB

The Queen song is going to have messed up / pulsing audio. It seems to be related to the piano playing. Listen to it for 10 seconds and I'm pretty sure you will notice it.

The audio is messed up regardless of the volume, but it's much more obvious at lower levels.

The audio can be fixed by turning Audyssey Dynamic EQ off and then on again. The pulsing goes away and the volume is much louder (without changing the level itself).

I'm doubtful the exact steps above are needed to reproduce it, such as the specific scene or music choice, but wanted to share how I've reproduced it 3 times.

To me, it sounds like Onkyo isn't telling the Audyssey hardware that a "source change" has occurred and Audyssey is applying the wrong corrections to the content.

Anyone out there have these two titles and want to try and reproduce it?

(Fixed some big typos which are now forever immortalized in kbarnes701 quote below)
Edited by MadMyers - 2/24/13 at 12:13pm
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2/24/13 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

I think I've found a bug in either Onkyo's implementation of Audyssey Dynamic EQ or Audyssey Dynamic EQ itself related to source switching. I'm guessing it's Onkyo's fault, but who knows.

I can reproduce it, so I'm wondering if someone out there has a similar setup who can try it...

Setup:
1) Have War of the Worlds Bluray
2) Have a Queen CD or quality AAC with "Don't Stop Me Know" (I've got the AAC version from Queens Greatest Hits)
3) Play War of the Worlds with DTS Master Audio on BD input and go to the chapter with the news lady @ around -20 dB and have Audyssey Dynamic EQ enabled (with Audyssey Music).
4) Simultaneously play "Don't Stop Me Know" on a source that feeds into TV/CD on the Once --- you shouldn't her it, but it just primes the data
5) Watch 10 or 20 seconds of bluray
6) Press the TV/CD button to switch to the Queen Song, at which point you should hear the Queen music since you started it earlier
7) You should see the video from War of the Worlds and hear the audio from "Don't Stop Me Know"
8) Turn the volume down to -35 dB

The Queen song is going to have messed up / pulsing audio. It seems to be related to the piano playing. It's to it for 10 seconds and I'm pretty sure you will notice it.

The audio is messed up regardless of the volume, but it's much more obvious at lower levels.

The audio can be fixed by turning Audyssey Dynamic EQ off and then on again. The pulsing goes away and the volume is much louder (without changing the level itself).

I'm doubtful the exact steps above are needed to reproduce it, such as the specific scene, but wanted to share how I've reproduced it 3 times.

To me, it sounds like Onkyo isn't telling the Audyssey hardware that a "source change" has occurred and Audyssey is applying the wrong corrections to the content.

Anyone out there have these two titles and want to try and reproduce it?

 

This alleged bug only affects people who want to view the video from a movie while simultaneously listening to Glamrock???  ;)

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post #5168 of 6979
2/24/13 at 12:15pm
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This alleged bug only affects people who want to view the video from a movie while simultaneously listening to Glamrock???  wink.gif

Absolutely! No better way to mash media! wink.gif

Just so I'm not viewed as crazy, I had performed an Audyssey calibration and was checking out various content. I didn't actually want to see the War of the Worlds bluray while hearing Queen, but that's just how the TV/CD button works.

I would love to hear (pun intended) if someone can reproduce this. It would be better when I mention it to Audyssey and/or Onkyo if I can say someone else reproduced it.
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post #5169 of 6979
2/24/13 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

Absolutely! No better way to mash media! wink.gif

Just so I'm not viewed as crazy, I had performed an Audyssey calibration and was checking out various content. I didn't actually want to see the War of the Worlds bluray while hearing Queen, but that's just how the TV/CD button works.

I would love to hear (pun intended) if someone can reproduce this. It would be better when I mention it to Audyssey and/or Onkyo if I can say someone else reproduced it.

While film sound tracks are always recorded to known levels called reference levels, music on a CD is not. Try the "Intellivolume" feature on your Onkyo for music CD playback.
Edited by mogorf - 2/24/13 at 12:29pm
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2/24/13 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

I think I've found a bug in either Onkyo's implementation of Audyssey Dynamic EQ or Audyssey Dynamic EQ itself related to source switching. I'm guessing it's Onkyo's fault, but who knows.

I can reproduce it, so I'm wondering if someone out there has a similar setup who can try it...

Setup:
1) Have War of the Worlds Bluray
2) Have a Queen CD or quality AAC with "Don't Stop Me Now" (I've got the AAC version from Queens Greatest Hits)
3) Play War of the Worlds with DTS Master Audio on BD input and go to the chapter with the news lady @ around -20 dB and have Audyssey Dynamic EQ enabled (with Audyssey Music).
4) Simultaneously play "Don't Stop Me Now" on a source that feeds into TV/CD on the Onkyo --- you shouldn't hear it, but it just primes the data
5) Watch 10 or 20 seconds of bluray
6) Press the TV/CD button to switch to the Queen song, at which point you should hear the Queen music since you started it earlier
7) You should see the video from War of the Worlds and hear the audio from "Don't Stop Me Now"
8) Turn the volume down to -35 dB

The Queen song is going to have messed up / pulsing audio. It seems to be related to the piano playing. Listen to it for 10 seconds and I'm pretty sure you will notice it.

The audio is messed up regardless of the volume, but it's much more obvious at lower levels.

The audio can be fixed by turning Audyssey Dynamic EQ off and then on again. The pulsing goes away and the volume is much louder (without changing the level itself).

I'm doubtful the exact steps above are needed to reproduce it, such as the specific scene or music choice, but wanted to share how I've reproduced it 3 times.

To me, it sounds like Onkyo isn't telling the Audyssey hardware that a "source change" has occurred and Audyssey is applying the wrong corrections to the content.

Anyone out there have these two titles and want to try and reproduce it?

(Fixed some big typos which are now forever immortalized in kbarnes701 quote below)

smile.gif Seriously? Sounds like Dynamic EQ is still "listening" to the Blu-ray and applying its correction results to the audio of the TV/CD input. Can you also reproduce it with different source material?
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post #5171 of 6979
2/24/13 at 4:55pm
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Your system is not able to reproduce low frequencies well. You believe the suggestion of adding a subwoofer is "idiotic". I thought you were having a listening problem receiving the helpful advice you have been given, but I was wrong. The reason you are unable to improve your system is much deeper then simply listening to those that can help you.

I did not waste any more of my time reading beyond this.

Yet again - I don't have a problem with subwoofer! It suits me very well. While adding a subwoofer will improve the sound in my room - I completely agree with that - it is in no help in solving my Aydyssey problem. Suggesting to buy more hardware that will not solve the problem someone having is the most useless suggestion that can be given.

Well, at least now you are providing some entertainment value.
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post #5172 of 6979
2/24/13 at 5:33pm
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I tend to support Igor posting here as it adds visibility to Onkyo. .

Sure, I'm not saying not to raise the issue here. However repeating the same thing over 3 pages by the same 2-3 people will not add any more credibility to it.

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Only Onkyo will release a few fix for 818 eq, not Audyssey. My assumption is there is an implementation issue in the 818.

I think Audyssey problem is separate from the rest. As I said before Audyssey is a licensed product, not Onkyo's own. I highly doubt Onkyo would change the Audyssey implementation without Audyssey's strict control and permission as it would create a serious brand and credibility damage. So any problem confirmation/solution/rejection should come from Audyssey. In practice Onkyo might release a fix (if the issue is acknowledged) but the go-ahead will come from Audyssey.

Good luck with your AVR decision.
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2/24/13 at 5:44pm
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The only differences I can hear between the two is the bass. It appears to me that Audyssey Dynamic EQ will try to bring reference bass levels at a lower listening level, where as the THX Loudness Plus bass levels is less aggressive and easier on less powerful subwoofers and doesn't appear to boost bass levels at lower listening levels. I personally prefer Audyssey Dynamic EQ for the bass.

I have not used the THX LP but the Aud Dyn EQ boosts the bass and sound stage at lower volumes. I found it useful for some tracks. But in other cases it distorts the music and makes the tracks boomy. So I use it on a case-by-case basis. If you don't want to fiddle with it I would turn it off.
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2/24/13 at 6:34pm
I just picked up a couple new subs tonight. Jeff Meier has calibrated all 818 so I don't want to run a full Audyssey calibration but would like to make sure my sub levels are right. Is there anyway to do this without undoing all off Jeff's art? He will eventually come out and tune the new subs but it will be several new months before he is back in town.

Thanks.
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post #5175 of 6979
2/24/13 at 8:59pm
What could jeff do to your 818 that you cant? Locate the audyssey mic and let her rip. theres no magic with the 818. It doesnt even have audyssey pro which does require a calibrator.

Just do it yourself and be done with it.

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I just picked up a couple new subs tonight. Jeff Meier has calibrated all 818 so I don't want to run a full Audyssey calibration but would like to make sure my sub levels are right. Is there anyway to do this without undoing all off Jeff's art? He will eventually come out and tune the new subs but it will be several new months before he is back in town.

Thanks.
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post #5176 of 6979
2/24/13 at 9:49pm
He was out doing my TV and did my audio for a small fee. He adjusted all of my crossovers and levels. I had previously run Audyssey and it wasn't close to being right and sounds MUCH better now.

He has examples of frequency graphs after audyssey and how off they can be on his website.

I am defiantly a novice at this but I can say the before and after was night and day. I have also read on here that Audyssey isn't real good at dealing with multiple subs either.
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post #5177 of 6979
2/24/13 at 10:46pm
well... defiant novices usually don't get a lot of love here. wink.gif

He didn't do anything you couldn't have done yourself. You have to invest one way or the other... either the time learning what to do, or the $ to have someone else do it. The problem is, what he thinks is best may or may not sound better to you. I question why you would pay someone else to do it, without having expended the effort to know what he was doing. He didn't do anything you couldn't do yourself. Invest the time in yourself, and you'll never need to spend the $ for someone else to set it the way they like.
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2/24/13 at 10:47pm
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I haven't received any mail, even in spam folder...
I tried US site, there they explicitly state that they will not support buyers from countries other than US and Canada. Then I checked their support forum and one moderator there promised to find a colleague of his in europe to take care for someone who was complaining. I add my request ther as well, I hope I will get somehow that firmware!!
I believe you'll receive the same firmware regardless who arranges it (european or us moderator). I'm also from europe and I've dropped an email to US forum admin and asked nicely for beta firmware without specifying my location. I've received link to beta firmware in few days. I'm running it now and see no issues.
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post #5179 of 6979
2/25/13 at 3:30am
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I have done listening tests with both and, TBH, didn't hear much difference. It's an interesting one to measure with REW so we can see what each one is doing. I have done that with DEQ on and off but not a comparison between DEQ and THXLP. Next time I have the REW gear out I'll measure both and see the differences. Interesting test. I'll be measuring next week after installing additional room treatments so I'll do it then. Will post the graphs here.
Would be nice to see them. I've done some measurements for it, just for the interest, but didn't spent much time with that to compile some 'presentable' graphs.
What I could suggest there is to measure not only fronts but also surrounds. Also to see the "dynamic" nature of Dynamic EQ you need to measure not only the different MV levels, but also different levels of input signal for each MV level setting.
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2/25/13 at 3:46am
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Sorry but Igor has not shown that MultEQ misbehaves. MultEQ's purpose is to flatten the frequency response and that's exactly what you can see in his own measurements.
It is not the purpose of MultEQ to extend the bass range of the speakers (in room for those who do not understand again!). You could boost infinitely to make the frequency response 'flat' bellow natural acoustical roll-off point, I have shown that and that is the misbehavior! I understood already that no amount of evidence will be enough for you as your only purpose here is to stand for Onkyo products and deny there is any possibility of bugs in it. Are you working for Onkyo or selling their products? It looks like this...
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You might disagree with Audyssey's approach to room correction, nevertheless it works as advertised.
It was advertised long ago that Audyssey is not boosting under F3 by the Chris telling this on his own support channel (even with explanation why is this happening, that completely in line with what I am talking)... So, it doen't work as advertised.
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2/25/13 at 4:08am
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Well, at least now you are providing some entertainment value.
Your selling practices are too aggressive here!
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2/25/13 at 5:20am
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It is not the purpose of MultEQ to extend the bass range of the speakers (in room for those who do not understand again!). You could boost infinitely to make the frequency response 'flat' bellow natural acoustical roll-off point, I have shown that and that is the misbehavior! I understood already that no amount of evidence will be enough for you as your only purpose here is to stand for Onkyo products and deny there is any possibility of bugs in it. Are you working for Onkyo or selling their products? It looks like this...

You're still confused how MultEQ works. It applies boosts and cuts in order to achieve a flat frequency response. The boosts and cuts gradually stop below the measured in-room -3dB point. This is necessary to maintain a smooth frequency response in the crossover region. It can be seen in your measurements.
You want MultEQ to add an additional high pass. Sorry but that's just not a feature of Audyssey. I agree that such a high pass would be desirable in your specific case but it's not part of MultEQ's feature set and therefore it's not a bug.

Just like the lack of gapless playback is not a bug, the missing high pass is not a bug.
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It was advertised long ago that Audyssey is not boosting under F3 by the Chris telling this on his own support channel (even with explanation why is this happening, that completely in line with what I am talking)... So, it doen't work as advertised.

MultEQ gradually stops applying correction below the -3dB point. That's what is advertised and it can be seen in your measurements.

P.S. When do you provide the data that shows MultEQ is "Mis-estimating F3 lower than it is"? You've said that you have that data: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412714/onkyo-tx-nr818-official-owners-thread-discussion/5130#post_23001280
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2/25/13 at 5:27am
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I just picked up a couple new subs tonight. Jeff Meier has calibrated all 818 so I don't want to run a full Audyssey calibration but would like to make sure my sub levels are right. Is there anyway to do this without undoing all off Jeff's art? He will eventually come out and tune the new subs but it will be several new months before he is back in town.

Thanks.

As Jon Spackman says right below your post, just do it. Running an Audyssey XT32 calibration is easy enough. If you feel uncertain, read the Audyssey 101 and the FAQ linked in my sig for all the help you need. If you get stuck, call in to the Official Audyssey thread for more help. It is really easy to run the calibration.

 

And yes, it is essential to re-run Audyssey if you have made major changes to the setup, as you have with new subs.  XY32 creates thousands of filters, especially so in the bass region. If you do not recalibrate, you will have the filters for the old subs in place while listening to the new subs - disaster!

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2/25/13 at 5:29am
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He was out doing my TV and did my audio for a small fee. He adjusted all of my crossovers and levels. I had previously run Audyssey and it wasn't close to being right and sounds MUCH better now.

He has examples of frequency graphs after audyssey and how off they can be on his website.

I am defiantly a novice at this but I can say the before and after was night and day. I have also read on here that Audyssey isn't real good at dealing with multiple subs either.

 

XT32/Sub EQ is very good at dealing with multiple subs - where did you read otherwise?

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2/25/13 at 5:30am
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well... defiant novices usually don't get a lot of love here. wink.gif

He didn't do anything you couldn't have done yourself. You have to invest one way or the other... either the time learning what to do, or the $ to have someone else do it. The problem is, what he thinks is best may or may not sound better to you. I question why you would pay someone else to do it, without having expended the effort to know what he was doing. He didn't do anything you couldn't do yourself. Invest the time in yourself, and you'll never need to spend the $ for someone else to set it the way they like.

+1

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2/25/13 at 5:33am
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I have done listening tests with both and, TBH, didn't hear much difference. It's an interesting one to measure with REW so we can see what each one is doing. I have done that with DEQ on and off but not a comparison between DEQ and THXLP. Next time I have the REW gear out I'll measure both and see the differences. Interesting test. I'll be measuring next week after installing additional room treatments so I'll do it then. Will post the graphs here.
Would be nice to see them. I've done some measurements for it, just for the interest, but didn't spent much time with that to compile some 'presentable' graphs.
What I could suggest there is to measure not only fronts but also surrounds. Also to see the "dynamic" nature of Dynamic EQ you need to measure not only the different MV levels, but also different levels of input signal for each MV level setting.

 

I will run the measurements later this week when I have to get REW out again (room chabges). I will include the surrounds in the THX LP vs DEQ comparison. I'll produce the graphs at three different settings of Reference Offset Level, which will simulate adjusting the MV without actually adjusting it (makes for more consistent graphs?). 

 

EDIT - no that won’t work - THX LP doesn't have RLO - I will vary the MV instead for three different measurements - say -10dB, -20dB and -5dB, unless you have better suggestions.


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2/25/13 at 5:42am
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You're still confused how MultEQ works. It applies boosts and cuts in order to achieve a flat frequency response. The boosts and cuts gradually stop below the measured in-room -3dB point. This is necessary to maintain a smooth frequency response in the crossover region. It can be seen in your measurements.
It is completely different to the things I see on the graphs still. There is no cuts, only boost, the whole one-and-a-half octave below 'measured' F3, continuously at the +10dB. It is nothing like 'gradual', and only can suggest that the real F3 is higher than was detected, so, requiring this boost all the way down below mis-estimated F3 to 'bring' things to the a way too optimistic target.
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You want MultEQ to add an additional high pass. Sorry but that's just not a feature of Audyssey. I agree that such a high pass would be desirable in your specific case but it's not part of MultEQ's feature set and therefore it's not a bug.
I don't want high pass, I only want it to estimate the F3 correctly and not to boost under F3.
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Just like the lack of gapless playback is not a bug, the missing high pass is not a bug.
As long as it is 30 year tradition of releasing a content in this way and playing it without problem without even inventing a "gapless" word, as long as there are live concerts exists and as long as CDs are still the most traditional way of releasing content and albums are the most traditional way of consuming it - it is a bug and no one can change my opinion on this. There was a good excuse for mp3 players as the underlying content missed the proper gap and track length information. There can be no excuse for flacs etc where it was from the start.
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MultEQ gradually stops applying correction below the -3dB point. That's what is advertised and it can be seen in your measurements.
If it would be the -3dB point, then there would be no need to boost +10dB at this point - it would require no boost at all at this point. What you tell cannot be seen on my measurements.
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2/25/13 at 5:52am
Quick note...

I've been seeing strange lip sync issues since moving to my 818. I'm really picky when it comes to lip sync, more so than most.

The problem I saw after adding the 818 was that video was ahead of audio. You cannot fix this with the 818 since you can only add additional audio delay. Delaying HDMI video would require a huge amount if storage.

Note: if you have HDMI av sync enabled, the 818 does allow negative av sync adjustment. However, this is because "0" has now been defined as whatever compensation is needed as specified by your display. Put another way, 0 might really mean 100ms so -100ms would be zero adjustment. Anything more negative is treated the same. At least that's what my eyes and ears told me.

How did I fix it? I've disabled Audyssey Dynamic EQ. It definitely introduced audio latency, causing the video to be ahead of the audio. While I have no hard data to support this, it appears to introduce a variable latency --- not just a fixed one. When I have Dynamic EQ enabled, the lip sync seems to drift back and forth from being fair to annoying and then back to fair.

I played around with a DVRed episode of Big Bang Theory, so I did test this out with real content.

I do like Dynamic EQ for music, but it will be disabled for movies and TV.

Anyone else noticed additional (variable?) latency with Dynamic EQ?

Setup note: My display has low video latency, about 30ms. If someone had a display with higher video latency, it's possible the 818's audio latency adjust could solve their problem. Since my display is about 30ms latency and I'm seeing the video ahead of the audio with Audyssey Dynamic EQ enabled, that would mean Audyssey Dynamic EQ adds at least > 30ms latency (assuming the source is sending A/V exactly synched initially, which may not be the case). That sounds like a lot, I know...
Edited by MadMyers - 2/25/13 at 7:25am
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2/25/13 at 5:52am
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Well, at least now you are providing some entertainment value.
Your selling practices are too aggressive here!

I've owned Harmon Kardon, Denon, Marantz, and Onkyo. I am a Software Engineer in a field unrelated to audio or video home entertainment. Your faulty assumptions and mis-interpretations continue to grow.
Edited by dstew100 - 2/25/13 at 6:00am
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post #5190 of 6979
2/25/13 at 5:58am
Igor,

deliver conclusive data otherwise we're going round in circles. This is the data I would expect:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412714/onkyo-tx-nr818-official-owners-thread-discussion/5130#post_23001010

If you can't convince anybody around here that there's a bug, you will have an even harder time convincing anybody at Audyssey or Onkyo.
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