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post #5341 of 9516
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by brunotheboxer View Post

Will they ever make this available without having to use the USB?

Well, for some reason they are not doing it with auto update, so my suspicion is that they know of scenarios in which the "fix" could cause a problem. Or they feel it just isn't tested enough to roll out through the automatic update.

In any event, it's on the support site now so they have to support it. Interested in what the release notes say.
post #5342 of 9516
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Onkyo has discovered there is a possibility of failure when updating receivers to this new firmware package via ethernet in certain network environments. For this reason, we are now only releasing a firmware file for installation via USB port / flash memory device.
As you can see above, it has nothing to do with the functionality of the firmware, the actual firmware update process via NET has problems.
post #5343 of 9516
I believe you can configure any combination as long as its at 9.1.
post #5344 of 9516
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by theoneofgod View Post

As you can see above, it has nothing to do with the functionality of the firmware, the actual firmware update process via NET has problems.

That quote above sounds like it could apply to ANY firmware update done via network.
post #5345 of 9516
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Well, for some reason they are not doing it with auto update, so my suspicion is that they know of scenarios in which the "fix" could cause a problem. Or they feel it just isn't tested enough to roll out through the automatic update.

In any event, it's on the support site now so they have to support it. Interested in what the release notes say.

From the European site...

TX-NR818
(Version 1120-8103-0101-0000)

Improves picture output of 1080p/24 sources
Improves the playback stability of FLAC files via Network/USB.
Corrects the sound leak issue between Main and powered Zone2/3 when activating Powered Zones.
post #5346 of 9516
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

I believe you can configure any combination as long as its at 9.1.
I'm very excited I'll try wide then surround back and let you know what I like better
post #5347 of 9516
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Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

I'm very excited I'll try wide then surround back and let you know what I like better


I'm currently running a 9.1 system with backs and heights, I have not tried wide speakers yet and if I do I would have to install inwall speakers. Let me know what DSP mode you prefer, I bounce back from DTS Neo X and Dolby Prologic ll z
post #5348 of 9516
I got the FW from the USA site and being a complete newb to flash drives (I went and got one at BB yesterday-32GB) I need a little help.
I thought that I read that the USB had to be empty to work. Here's what I have on mine after sending the FW to the drive;



Should I erase everything and resend the files or is it ok as is?
Do I need the file folder and the 5 files or just the files?

I know this is computer 101 to most folks but I don't want to screw this up. I just used the network updates in the past and it was simple but Onkyo is only releasing this via USB so I have no choice.

TIA.
post #5349 of 9516
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

I got the FW from the USA site and being a complete newb to flash drives (I went and got one at BB yesterday-32GB) I need a little help.
I thought that I read that the USB had to be empty to work. Here's what I have on mine after sending the FW to the drive;



Should I erase everything and resend the files or is it ok as is?
Do I need the file folder and the 5 files or just the files?

I know this is computer 101 to most folks but I don't want to screw this up. I just used the network updates in the past and it was simple but Onkyo is only releasing this via USB so I have no choice.

TIA.

Some of that stuff is utility type stuff that Sandisk puts on the drive. Personally I would just try it, it's unlikely those other files will interfere with the update.
post #5350 of 9516
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

I got the FW from the USA site and being a complete newb to flash drives (I went and got one at BB yesterday-32GB) I need a little help.
I thought that I read that the USB had to be empty to work. Here's what I have on mine after sending the FW to the drive;



Should I erase everything and resend the files or is it ok as is?
Do I need the file folder and the 5 files or just the files?

I know this is computer 101 to most folks but I don't want to screw this up. I just used the network updates in the past and it was simple but Onkyo is only releasing this via USB so I have no choice.

TIA.

I deleted everything that came on my USB drive then downloaded the FW, worked for me!
post #5351 of 9516
Applied the new firmware release via usb to my 818 over lunch. No issues applying the firmware (I had the beta on as well) and I did run through a few things and all appears to be normal.
post #5352 of 9516
Many thanks to all friends around in this forum for making explicit the 24p issue and keep pressing on Onkyo to resolve it.
I feel also to say thank you to Onkyo's people for supporting our product.
post #5353 of 9516
You could take the Sandisk Files off it, put them on your computer in a folder that you made (and remember where you put it) put the Onkyo files on it and run the update. Or like jmpage2 said, just try the update with the files on the drive, those are files that would normally work in Windows, so the receiver might ignore them. I myself personally would take everything else off, and have only the Onkyo files on it. Imagine how mad/bummed/pissed you would be if something as simple as a couple files screwed up the FW update.
post #5354 of 9516
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

I'm not sure what tipped them over into doing something. I doubt I had much of a role to play in it honestly.

All of you who pushed, via forums, reviews, Amazon, etc made the difference IMHO. And you all took a lot of abuse along the way from those who wanted no criticism of their beloved AVR. "Leave my Onkyo alone! " biggrin.gif

To you, Markus, Killian, murphman, mbutz and the rest, thanks for pushing!
post #5355 of 9516
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Originally Posted by Mike Butny View Post

I'm currently running a 9.1 system with backs and heights, I have not tried wide speakers yet and if I do I would have to install inwall speakers. Let me know what DSP mode you prefer, I bounce back from DTS Neo X and Dolby Prologic ll z

I have backs and heights at the moment and my first impression is that I like it better than backs and wides in my 15' x 20' x 10' dedicated theater room...

The Audyssey DSX with wides was okay for movies but 5.1 SACD sounded really bad with the vocals...
I used DTS Neo:X Music most of the time with wides and listened for one month...

I like PL IIx Music DSX or DTS Neo:x Music for both movies and SACD with the heights...

I am also trying my manual EQ of the subwoofer region via a DCX2496 outboard EQ vs. Audyssey + DEQ...
post #5356 of 9516
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Originally Posted by Slingblayde View Post

You could take the Sandisk Files off it, put them on your computer in a folder that you made (and remember where you put it) put the Onkyo files on it and run the update. Or like jmpage2 said, just try the update with the files on the drive, those are files that would normally work in Windows, so the receiver might ignore them. I myself personally would take everything else off, and have only the Onkyo files on it. Imagine how mad/bummed/pissed you would be if something as simple as a couple files screwed up the FW update.

I agree with you and I'm going to delete the Sandisk stuff, just to be safe. Maybe I should delete everything, reformat and then put them back on.

What about the folder "AVR000E_release", do I need that or only the 5 files?

I told you I'm new at this smile.gif
post #5357 of 9516
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Originally Posted by laugsbach View Post

I have backs and heights at the moment and my first impression is that I like it better than backs and wides in my 15' x 20' x 10' dedicated theater room...

The Audyssey DSX with wides was okay for movies but 5.1 SACD sounded really bad with the vocals...
I used DTS Neo:X Music most of the time with wides and listened for one month...

I like PL IIx Music DSX or DTS Neo:x Music for both movies and SACD with the heights...

I am also trying my manual EQ of the subwoofer region via a DCX2496 outboard EQ vs. Audyssey + DEQ...


My dedicated room is only 12 ft wide and the ceiling is 7 ft1inch H so I know the effects are going to be minimal compared to a wider and taller room. The room is 30ft D so the added rears really sound sweet. I might install in-wall wides and give it a try in the future.
post #5358 of 9516
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Originally Posted by cainman View Post

Applied the new firmware release via usb to my 818 over lunch. No issues applying the firmware (I had the beta on as well) and I did run through a few things and all appears to be normal.

Did the update wipe off the prior configuration customizations (Audyssey, I/O mapping, etc.)? IOW, did you have to rerun the initial setup as if the receiver were set back to factory defaults? Thanks!
post #5359 of 9516
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Originally Posted by GoatLocker View Post

All of you who pushed, via forums, reviews, Amazon, etc made the difference IMHO. And you all took a lot of abuse along the way from those who wanted no criticism of their beloved AVR. "Leave my Onkyo alone! " biggrin.gif

To you, Markus, Killian, murphman, mbutz and the rest, thanks for pushing!


NP, I kind of miss being called names on the Onkyo forum. In the end we all came together and showed Onkyo that WE WOULD NOT GO AWAY and we got it resolved.
post #5360 of 9516
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Originally Posted by raaj View Post

Did the update wipe off the prior configuration customizations (Audyssey, I/O mapping, etc.)? IOW, did you have to rerun the initial setup as if the receiver were set back to factory defaults? Thanks!

In my case the settings were retained.
post #5361 of 9516
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

I agree with you and I'm going to delete the Sandisk stuff, just to be safe. Maybe I should delete everything, reformat and then put them back on.

What about the folder "AVR000E_release", do I need that or only the 5 files?

I told you I'm new at this smile.gif

Update instructions for firmware 1120-8103-0101-0000

1. Extract the ZIP file you've downloaded from Onkyo. It contains 5 files and a folder (which contains another 5 files). Copy the folder and the 5 files to the root of your USB flash drive. The contents of the flash drive should look something like this:



2. Switch RIHD off
Home > Setup > 7. Hardware Setup > 2. HDMI > HDMI Control (RIHD) > Off

3. Select "Net" as input source.

4. Insert USB flash drive with firmware, then:
Home >Firmware Update > USB

5. When the update has finished after about 10 minutes (display on the AVR shows "Complete!") then press the "On/Standby" button on the AVR.
Edited by markus767 - 3/1/13 at 6:04am
post #5362 of 9516
I currently use a Yamaha RX-A 2000 without any video processing. I tried it and didn't see any difference in my Direct TV image (lots of video noise visible in dark images). My question is would it be worth buying the 818? Are the video processing abilities better than the Yamaha? If so would it be wiser to wait for the 818 replacement?.
Thanks, Rick
post #5363 of 9516
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Originally Posted by raaj View Post

May I ask why you have two DLINK switches in the chain? Are the DLINK switches doing PowerLine networking, by any chance? I am assuming that's also for port count issues, but the two switches might not be playing nice together with the forwarding/routing of traffic. If the two switches are not PowerLine Networking Adapters, but rather are switches/routers for port count, they need to sync their routing/forwarding tables for end to end data transmission. Make sure only one of the switches or the Time Capsule is doing DHCP address assignment. - otherwise, there might be a duplicate IP address among the devices connected to the two switches. Please clarify these points, and we can troubleshoot further.

I have several devices on 2 floors of my house. My first switch requires a switch to ensure enough ports are available, and a second switch (which connects to the onkyo) is needed for upstairs setup. On the same switch as the Onkyo, I am using several other devices without issue. Neither of the switches are assigning ip addresses; the time capsule is doing the DHCP assignment.

Interestingly, I just purchased the Onkyo USB-WIFI dongle (UWF-1). I am able to connect to my WIFI network and enter password. Under the USB--manual setup function on the Onkyo, I am able to see that I am connected with 98% strength. Despite that, I am unable to access any internet stations. With this setup, I am able to access the screen under NET which lists the services, but I get stuck and connecting whenever I chose a service. Furthermore, I am unable to use the Onkyo iphone app as the onkyo does not show up the app as a device to control. I do get assigned an IP address (192.168.0.50) confirmed by both the Onkyo under network settings and via the Airport Utility tool.

I have rebooted the cable modem, and then sequentially added the time capsule and swtiches back on. I do not have an ethernet cable long enough to reach the onkyo. Now, having the same issues with the wifi dongle, not sure if its worth disconnecting the receiver and lugging downstairs (its heavy!) and hooking it up to another tv would add any value.

Ideas?
Edited by zyprexa - 2/28/13 at 12:43pm
post #5364 of 9516
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Originally Posted by zyprexa View Post

I have several devices on 2 floors of my house. My first switch requires a switch to ensure enough ports are available, and a second switch (which connects to the onkyo) is needed for upstairs setup. On the same switch as the Onkyo, I am using several other devices without issue. Neither of the switches are assigning ip addresses; the time capsule is doing the DHCP assignment.

Interestingly, I just purchased the Onkyo USB-WIFI dongle (UWF-1). I am able to connect to my WIFI network and enter password. Under the USB--manual setup function on the Onkyo, I am able to see that I am connected with 98% strength. Despite that, I am unable to access any internet stations. With this setup, I am able to access the screen under NET which lists the services, but I get stuck and connecting whenever I chose a service. Furthermore, I am unable to use the Onkyo iphone app as the onkyo does not show up the app as a device to control. I do get assigned an IP address (192.168.0.50) confirmed by both the Onkyo under network settings and via the Airport Utility tool.

I have rebooted the cable modem, and then sequentially added the time capsule and swtiches back on. I do not have an ethernet cable long enough to reach the onkyo. Now, having the same issues with the wifi dongle, not sure if its worth disconnecting the receiver and lugging downstairs (its heavy!) and hooking it up to another tv would add any value.

Ideas?

I'd still suggest the "turn off all other devices" I mentioned earlier. I realize this sounds like a stupid test in a normal environment, but if the rumors are true that the 818 doesn't handle IP data (LAN multicast) from some devices well then...
post #5365 of 9516
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Originally Posted by stebrock View Post

I currently use a Yamaha RX-A 2000 without any video processing. I tried it and didn't see any difference in my Direct TV image (lots of video noise visible in dark images). My question is would it be worth buying the 818? Are the video processing abilities better than the Yamaha? If so would it be wiser to wait for the 818 replacement?.
Thanks, Rick

I seriously doubt it.

No magic is going to fix overly compressed / low bitrate sources. The 818 does have block noise reduction, but I cannot say how well it helps.

Wiser to wait for the 818 replacement? I doubt any video processor is going to help much. Sorry to be a downer.
post #5366 of 9516
Yes I have actually two ext amps a 5 and 6 channel rotel I use height some but prefer wides most of the time it's just my preference.
post #5367 of 9516
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Originally Posted by GoatLocker View Post

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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

I'm not sure what tipped them over into doing something. I doubt I had much of a role to play in it honestly.

All of you who pushed, via forums, reviews, Amazon, etc made the difference IMHO. And you all took a lot of abuse along the way from those who wanted no criticism of their beloved AVR. "Leave my Onkyo alone! " biggrin.gif

To you, Markus, Killian, murphman, mbutz and the rest, thanks for pushing!

+1

Well done folks. Check another tick in the "AVS winning" column
post #5368 of 9516
Well done everyone, especially those with VP's, as this was crucial in showing Onkyo the problem (I'm still not sure they have a VP themselves so they can check this basic stuff).

Also, update successfully applied on an Integra DTR 50.4. Hope to do some testing with it over the weekend.
post #5369 of 9516
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

Update instructions for firmware 1120-8103-0101-0000

Extract the ZIP file you've downloaded from Onkyo. It contains 5 files and a folder (which contains another 5 files). Copy the folder and the 5 files to the root of your USB flash drive. The contents of the flash drive should look something like this:



When the update has finished after about 10 minutes (display on the AVR shows "Complete!") then press the "On/Standby" button on the AVR.
Should the USB jump drive be formatted NTFS or FAT32?

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post #5370 of 9516
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Originally Posted by The Lizard King View Post

Should the USB jump drive be formatted NTFS or FAT32?

TLK cool.gif
It doesn't matter.
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