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post #5461 of 9468
LOL, beat me to it! ^^^
post #5462 of 9468
Quick comment about heat and the 818...

Finally watched The Dark Knight Rises... Watched it at -15 dB with 5.1 system. The Onkyo was cooler after the 2h 30m plus movie than my old HK would have been. Wish I had a way to measure, but I don't.

Anyway, just further data showing this Onkyo doesn't run super hot (at least compared to my old HK 525).
post #5463 of 9468
i came from the HK 525 also! That receiver served me well. IMHO, 818+XT32 sounds better. I think you will like the 818 even more as you spend more time with it.
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Originally Posted by awblackmon View Post

So I spent the last few months looking and reading on the forums here and trying to decide what receiver I would upgrade to one day. I figured that would be a year or more away. The more I read about XT32 and DTSneo:x the more I considered an early upgrade rather than late. I was going to look seriously at the new HK 3700 but then stumbled onto the 818 from Onkyo with the neo:x and XT32. I have to admit I was kind of frightened by what I was reading about Onkyo issues in the past but I don't seem to find a lot of issues that are real common among the Onkyo owners to make me want to stay away from the 818. True the 24p bug was a bit scary considering I have my blueray set to 24p. Then I saw where this may have been fixed.

Ok, I go shopping to see what is out there locally and at what price. I had three AVRs I was looking for. HK3700. Denon 3313. Onkyo nr818. I did not find the HK but did find the Onkyo and Denon at prices I was willing to pay. I came home, looked over my finances and savings and decided it was upgrade day. I went back to the store after doing some more online reading here and bought the Onkyo.

I have to say, I am such a happy guy. The upgrade was really worth it. I have only done some casual listening after setting up the system for 7.1. I watched a favorite TV program of mine that I have not had a lot of satisfaction with while listening to it with Dolby Digital turned on. The soundtrack seemed so front heavy. I would listen to the soundtrack with my HK 525 decoding with Logic 7 and the track did sound better to me. Well with the Onky on the shelf now I don't have Logic 7 any more but from what I heard last night I doubt I will be missing it. Wow, my program decoded with Dolby Digital just came alive.

The highs were more crisp but not shrill. I am 62 so highs may not be as loud to me now as they were 40 years ago. The Onkyo gave me back the highs that I never knew I was missing in the soundtrack. I had to look around several times because the surround tracks made me think someone was coming up behind me during street scenes. Things were just that more clear to me. My HK 525 had never given me that kind of experience. I had tried to set surround levels to get the best experience with the HK, but the XT32 I think does a much better job than I was doing. I had been using external amps with my 525 but I don't think I will be doing that now except to add 2 extra channels with the Onkyo.

So thanks to everyone here sharing their experience with the 818. I decided in the end to get it. The DTS neo:x was just to interesting and I wanted to try it out. I was also convinced the Audessy XT32 was the way to go. So back up to the theater room and I am adding front wides and front hight channels this afternoon. Lucky for me when we moved I moved into this house I made a deal with the wife. She has last word on everything downstairs. In return I get last word on everything in the bonus room/ theater room. It has worked out very well so far. So having 11.2 speakers is not an WAF problem for me. Yippee.
post #5464 of 9468
Embarrassed and irritated, kind of.

I rented Skyfall on DirectTV and was looking at the info screen via The O Remote on my iphone and noticed that it said 2.0 channel in and 5.1 Channel out. That puzzled me a little because I know DirecTV broadcasts 5.1. I went into the setting menu on my dish and realized that Dolby Digital was turned off! I have had DirecTV for 2 years and am guessing that I have never listened to real 5.1 though DirecTV. I turned it on in the middle of the movie and it made a WORLD of difference over 2.0 converted into 5.1.

Question:
Difference between "Direct" and "Straight Decode"? Straight Decode sounds better to me.

So nice to have true 5.1 back again.
post #5465 of 9468
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Originally Posted by InfernoST View Post

Glad to hear you're enjoying your new toy I know I love mine. One thing to take into consideration is the 818 cannot do 11.2 it can only do 9.2 which needs an external amp to achieve.

Yes, I did realize that it will not decode all 11.x channels at the same time. I have to choose and it will do 9.x I decided that did not matter to me and bought it anyway. I did get the Front hight and wide channels installed. I had pre-wired my walls with speaker wire when I built the theater room. Glad I did now.

So I am forced to take a break due to company arriving and the theater room is not a guest room for the next five days. When I get back to it I will be learning how to get the system working in different modes. I did get the external amp connected but could never get the front wide channels working right. Somewhere I have overlooked something. Time for visiting and then back to work later and find what I did wrong.
post #5466 of 9468
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Originally Posted by awblackmon View Post

Yes, I did realize that it will not decode all 11.x channels at the same time. I have to choose and it will do 9.x I decided that did not matter to me and bought it anyway. I did get the Front hight and wide channels installed. I had pre-wired my walls with speaker wire when I built the theater room. Glad I did now.

So I am forced to take a break due to company arriving and the theater room is not a guest room for the next five days. When I get back to it I will be learning how to get the system working in different modes. I did get the external amp connected but could never get the front wide channels working right. Somewhere I have overlooked something. Time for visiting and then back to work later and find what I did wrong.

Just wanted to give you a heads up because you mentioned it. As far as the external amp is concerned you have to enable the pre-out in the speaker setup menu and select which channel the pre-out will output.
post #5467 of 9468
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

There is a dimmer button on the front panel that will turn it off. No remote button, as far as I recall, but there is an IR code.
My peeve about the display is that you can't turn it all the way off (like I could on all my prior Denon's). I like my room totally dark so I'll have to do what I've done for the power lights on my PS3, etc and tape a black sheet to droop over it (but not cover the IR sensor).
post #5468 of 9468
Issue about not having a printed Manual. I went to Onkyo.com on my Kindle Fire and downloaded it, now its on my kindle along with the Onkyo Remote control app, i always have my Kindle with me so looking up things in the manual right then and there is easier then looking for it in some drawer or file cabinet or even forgetting where i put it, plus it's earth friendly.
post #5469 of 9468
Hi there,
New owner (few weeks now). Getting used to the remote, I setup the DirecTV HR24 DVR to be controlled by the receiver remote.

1. Is there a way to hit "record" when watching a show, like exists on the DirecTV remote?
LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

Thanks in advance for your help!

Marty
post #5470 of 9468
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Originally Posted by martykoenig View Post

Hi there,
New owner (few weeks now). Getting used to the remote, I setup the DirecTV HR24 DVR to be controlled by the receiver remote.

1. Is there a way to hit "record" when watching a show, like exists on the DirecTV remote?
LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

Thanks in advance for your help!

Marty

if you look in the manual pages 84 to 89 it shows you all the things it can control maybe page 89 will help to see if you can get it to learn how to record
post #5471 of 9468
Ah yes, I'll try that - great suggestion!
post #5472 of 9468
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

My peeve about the display is that you can't turn it all the way off (like I could on all my prior Denon's). I like my room totally dark so I'll have to do what I've done for the power lights on my PS3, etc and tape a black sheet to droop over it (but not cover the IR sensor).

You sure about that?

I'm not near my 818 right now, but I thought it went like...

1) First press, light behind volume turns off
2) 2nd press, text display gets dimmer
3) Everything is off

But maybe I've forgotten...
post #5473 of 9468
Manual, page 48:

"Setting the Display Brightness
1 Press RECEIVER once followed by DIMMER
repeatedly to cycle through the following patterns:
• Normal brightness + indicator off.
• Dim brightness + indicator off.
• Dimmer brightness + indicator off.
• Normal brightness + indicator on (default).
Tip
• (North American models) Alternatively, you can use
DIMMER on the AV receiver."
post #5474 of 9468
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

You sure about that?

I'm not near my 818 right now, but I thought it went like...

1) First press, light behind volume turns off
2) 2nd press, text display gets dimmer
3) Everything is off

But maybe I've forgotten...

It turns off the light surrounding the volume knob and in one other area but it does not turn off the display (showing the audio output, etc). It only dims that.
post #5475 of 9468
Im sending my 818 Back in after owning it for less then 2 weeks, I have a Hissing/White noise sound coming through Several (3) channels all HDMI, I was going to just live with it for a while but they seem to be getting louder, Or im just noticing more.
I purchased with A1components through amazon. The warranty process through them is kinda sucky so far, first they tried to make me pay return shipping, after i raised a fit they said they would send a tag through email. Second they will have to ''test'' the unit once it is returned before sending out a new one, which could take up to 2 weeks.

If someone can find me the 818 elsewhere for the $800 shipped price i paid through A1 i will just return it and buy from elsewhere.
post #5476 of 9468
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Originally Posted by getsideways87 View Post

Im sending my 818 Back in after owning it for less then 2 weeks, I have a Hissing/White noise sound coming through Several (3) channels all HDMI, I was going to just live with it for a while but they seem to be getting louder, Or im just noticing more.
I purchased with A1components through amazon. The warranty process through them is kinda sucky so far, first they tried to make me pay return shipping, after i raised a fit they said they would send a tag through email. Second they will have to ''test'' the unit once it is returned before sending out a new one, which could take up to 2 weeks.

If someone can find me the 818 elsewhere for the $800 shipped price i paid through A1 i will just return it and buy from elsewhere.

Give a call to J&R. Tell them that you've seen a price of $749 shipped on Google Shopping a couple of weeks ago, and would like to get that price. They no longer advertise that price, but you may be able to talk them into giving you that price, or something close to that.
post #5477 of 9468
So I just replaced an old Onkyo 705 with the 818 and I curious about the two different HDMI outs. Is there a reason one of them can't display graphics? I have a projector screen that drops down in front of my plasma (See my sig) so I've been using a powered Monoprice HDMI splitter to send the signal to both. Is there any benefit I'm not seeing to using the sub out w/ poor graphics vs. splitting the main to both?

On a related note, I have A Darby Darblet that I can send to both screens with the splitter but am forced to choose if I use the sub out.
post #5478 of 9468
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Originally Posted by Mike Lang View Post

Is there any benefit I'm not seeing to using the sub out w/ poor graphics vs. splitting the main to both?

The SUB output doesn't go through the HQV Vida processor and has no adjustable picture settings. Its like a pass-through.
Until the latest firmware was released, it used to be the only option to get around the faulty framerate on the Main output.
It features slightly less latency than the Main output, so if you want to avoid lag in gaming or other sources, then its still the best choice (and I imagine your Darblet adds additional lag which can end up cumulative).

There can be some annoying handshaking delays and CEC issues with trying to balance both outputs though. Using a splitter for Main may be a good way to avoid all that.
post #5479 of 9468
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Originally Posted by InfernoST View Post

Just wanted to give you a heads up because you mentioned it. As far as the external amp is concerned you have to enable the pre-out in the speaker setup menu and select which channel the pre-out will output.

Thanks. I did get the Pre-out turned on and assigned to back surround. I wasn't getting any sound from my front wide and did some reading and found that there was more assigning I need to do. Well, after the company vacates the theater room...

As for printed or or downloadable PDF I did do a download and printed out the manual. It now resides in a three ring binder for reference.
post #5480 of 9468
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Originally Posted by lees23 View Post

Question:
Difference between "Direct" and "Straight Decode"? Straight Decode sounds better to me.

So nice to have true 5.1 back again.

I believe...

Direct is very limited use. It turns off all post processing including subwoofer/bass management. Straight decode means the digital stream is decoded without thx or other sound adjustments (audyssey xt32 says on and I assume dynamic EQ but those other sound adjusting modes are not used).

I'd expect straight decide to sound better unless you have speakers that reproduce bass as well as your sub.

Other opinions? This isn't clear in the manual.
post #5481 of 9468
"Straight decode" doesn't peform any up/down-mixing or other processing on the decoded audio channels. It should be the default setting. Bass management and Audyssey (including Dynamic EQ) is still applied.
post #5482 of 9468
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Originally Posted by raaj View Post

Give a call to J&R. Tell them that you've seen a price of $749 shipped on Google Shopping a couple of weeks ago, and would like to get that price. They no longer advertise that price, but you may be able to talk them into giving you that price, or something close to that.

Do you still get manufacturer warranty through J&R? I also saw another place that sold it for $795 at powersellernyc.com, wondering if they also provide manufacturer warranty as well.
post #5483 of 9468
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

"Straight decode" doesn't peform any up/down-mixing or other processing on the decoded audio channels. It should be the default setting. Bass management and Audyssey (including Dynamic EQ) is still applied.

But no DSX, Neo:X or PLIIx/z, correct?
post #5484 of 9468
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

But no DSX, Neo:X or PLIIx/z, correct?

"Straight decode" sends the decoded audio directly to bass management. DSX, Neo:X, PLIIx/z, etc. process the decoded audio before sending it to bass management.
post #5485 of 9468
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Originally Posted by lees23 View Post

Embarrassed and irritated, kind of.

I rented Skyfall on DirectTV and was looking at the info screen via The O Remote on my iphone and noticed that it said 2.0 channel in and 5.1 Channel out. That puzzled me a little because I know DirecTV broadcasts 5.1. I went into the setting menu on my dish and realized that Dolby Digital was turned off! I have had DirecTV for 2 years and am guessing that I have never listened to real 5.1 though DirecTV. I turned it on in the middle of the movie and it made a WORLD of difference over 2.0 converted into 5.1.

Question:
Difference between "Direct" and "Straight Decode"? Straight Decode sounds better to me.

So nice to have true 5.1 back again.

5.1 over SAT, cable. etc is great until you get HDMI handshaking issues as programming goes from 2.0 to 5.1 and back again.

Just keep an eye on it. If you do see this change back to PCM for stuff like the news and switch back to 5.1 for a long term viewing session (movies) that will not have the issue.

Just a heads up since it doesn't happen to everybody but it does happen enough to warn others about.
post #5486 of 9468
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

5.1 over SAT, cable. etc is great until you get HDMI handshaking issues as programming goes from 2.0 to 5.1 and back again.

Just keep an eye on it. If you do see this change back to PCM for stuff like the news and switch back to 5.1 for a long term viewing session (movies) that will not have the issue.

Just a heads up since it doesn't happen to everybody but it does happen enough to warn others about.

I would call 5.1 over satellite " barely adequate" not "great". smile.gif

If he wants to really experience what XT32 can do he needs to get a blu-ray player.
post #5487 of 9468
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Originally Posted by pretsam View Post

Do you still get manufacturer warranty through J&R? I also saw another place that sold it for $795 at powersellernyc.com, wondering if they also provide manufacturer warranty as well.

J&R is an authorized Onkyo dealer, so you will get the full warranty. PowersellerNYC is not listed as an authorized online dealer on Onkyo' site, so my guess is that you would not get an Onkyo warranty through them. FWIW, I bought mine from J&R when they were running that promo price through Google Shopping.
post #5488 of 9468
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

I would call 5.1 over satellite " barely adequate" not "great". smile.gif

If he wants to really experience what XT32 can do he needs to get a blu-ray player.
I have a ps3 that I watch most of my movies on. It is set up correctly, I think. The Onkyo reads "multichannel" when I watching something via ps3, is that correct?
post #5489 of 9468
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Originally Posted by lees23 View Post

I have a ps3 that I watch most of my movies on. It is set up correctly, I think. The Onkyo reads "multichannel" when I watching something via ps3, is that correct?

Set it to "bitstream" (not available in every PS3 model) if you want the 818 to do the decoding.
post #5490 of 9468
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

"Straight decode" sends the decoded audio directly to bass management. DSX, Neo:X, PLIIx/z, etc. process the decoded audio before sending it to bass management.

Not sure what this means. Are you answering yes or no as to whethe PLIIx, NEO, etc. are applied when straight decode is used?
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