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post #5881 of 9474
Quote:
Originally Posted by runcliffyrun View Post

But...... lately I have been thinking of hooking it back up again, and running it alsong with the XT32, because I want to see/hear what happens with the Antimode "Lift" settings selected - naturally I will run my Antimode EQ first, then the XT32. I will let you know how it turns out. I just need some family-free time to calibrate.

It will either make XT32 think your sub goes deeper or it will simply eliminate the boost introduced by the Anti-Mode. If the former is the case, then make sure your amps and the sub are up to it.
post #5882 of 9474
I was planning on lifting after running XT32, I figure that way the boost would be undetected and so be unaffected.
post #5883 of 9474
Not sure why you want to boost frequencies after running MultEQ?
post #5884 of 9474
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Originally Posted by NODES View Post

just bought 2 extra speakers for heights. I am running 7.2 at the moment.

I run the Front stage L C R off an emotiva XPA3, the rest is run off the 818, will I be able to add the 2 extra speakers to the 818 to get the 9.2?

How would you describe the change in the soundstage when going up to seven surround speakers?
I have just bought myself an 818 and new speakers and was thinking of using my old surrounds as Front Wides and am curious if there is much difference.

Regarding 9.2, and looking at the back of the AVR, it looks like you need to use the "SB/FH/FW" EXT AMP output to use more than one of these surround channels simultaneously.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
post #5885 of 9474
You are correct, you will need an external amp to get to 9.2.
post #5886 of 9474
Connected my 818 up with an Emotiva XPA5, and the volume was more evident (rounder, fuller sound) at given levels (nice!), but did not increase in total "loudness/volume" more than say 5-10%. Running 5 channels off the XPA, and only have those 5 channels plus a HSU VTF3 Mk4.

I have dynamic volume set to no, maximum volume off, everything that should limit volume. Ran Audyssey in all 8 positions and honestly it sounded far worse than when I started off. Bumped up the speaker levels (the sub was set at minus 12db for example according to Audy), and still a long way to go to get it back to the audio joy I had before re-running Audy again. Wish I remembered all the settings..

Any clue why the volume would not jump on all channels driven with the Emotiva? I am running Ascend Acoustics 340SE (L/R/C) and HTM 200SE's for the surrounds. All are good for 200W unclipped peaks continuous according to Ascend.
post #5887 of 9474
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Originally Posted by LitoGeorge View Post

still a long way to go to get it back to the audio joy I had before re-running Audy again. Wish I remembered all the settings..

Why don't you just factory reset it? It will go back to default and the sound that you liked better. Most likely, something was not done properly during the setup, or you have a defective mic. It should sound MUCH better after the calibration.

Good luck.
post #5888 of 9474
Just joined the 818 club. It will be going in my basement media room. Already have an older 807 in the living room. Can't wait to get the new receiver hooked up.
post #5889 of 9474
IMO, your perceived increase in volume is about right.
To realize a 3db increase in sound level requires doubling of the available power (watts).
Onkyo at ~100 watts vs 200 watts of the Emotiva would give you a theoretical increase of 3db.
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Originally Posted by LitoGeorge View Post

Connected my 818 up with an Emotiva XPA5, and the volume was more evident (rounder, fuller sound) at given levels (nice!), but did not increase in total "loudness/volume" more than say 5-10%. Running 5 channels off the XPA, and only have those 5 channels plus a HSU VTF3 Mk4.

I have dynamic volume set to no, maximum volume off, everything that should limit volume. Ran Audyssey in all 8 positions and honestly it sounded far worse than when I started off. Bumped up the speaker levels (the sub was set at minus 12db for example according to Audy), and still a long way to go to get it back to the audio joy I had before re-running Audy again. Wish I remembered all the settings..

Any clue why the volume would not jump on all channels driven with the Emotiva? I am running Ascend Acoustics 340SE (L/R/C) and HTM 200SE's for the surrounds. All are good for 200W unclipped peaks continuous according to Ascend.
post #5890 of 9474
Can anyone comment on how the 818 compares to the Pioneer SC-1522-K. I've been waiting for the price to drop into the $600 range but am tired of holding my breath and the sc-1522-k is $599 right now.

Thanks
post #5891 of 9474
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwcole1224 View Post

IMO, your perceived increase in volume is about right.
To realize a 3db increase in sound level requires doubling of the available power (watts).
Onkyo at ~100 watts vs 200 watts of the Emotiva would give you a theoretical increase of 3db.

Would not adding the Emotiva give a cleaner fuller sound w/less distortion at the top end.I am thinking of trying a seperate as well.I can get to about -3 before my speakers start to pop.I assume this the headroom and distortion of the amp and not my speakers...beacuse i had a previous amp that would go louder and fuller w/less "pop".I like the features of the Onkyo but for 40 some lbs i was hoping for louder and better...great theater amp..no so much musically.Ilike my speakers,I know their older but i like the soundstage they give me and the sound.They are Energy A3+2 Bipolar w a ES-12 XL SUB...
post #5892 of 9474
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Originally Posted by jugger View Post

Can anyone comment on how the 818 compares to the Pioneer SC-1522-K. I've been waiting for the price to drop into the $600 range but am tired of holding my breath and the sc-1522-k is $599 right now.

Thanks
sc-1522-k is $599 right now???? where did you see that. i see $896 for new and i see a refurb for $499 on Amazon.
when i got mine it was an open box and i paid a little over $700 it was a Used like new and when i got it it was brand new. Right now there is a used like new for $799 on Amazon, but if your waiting for it to get to $600 i don't know if that will be soon unless it's really used. thats just my opinion.
Edited by bargervais - 3/26/13 at 12:40pm
post #5893 of 9474
Quote:
Originally Posted by LitoGeorge View Post

Connected my 818 up with an Emotiva XPA5, and the volume was more evident (rounder, fuller sound) at given levels (nice!), but did not increase in total "loudness/volume" more than say 5-10%. Running 5 channels off the XPA, and only have those 5 channels plus a HSU VTF3 Mk4.

I have dynamic volume set to no, maximum volume off, everything that should limit volume. Ran Audyssey in all 8 positions and honestly it sounded far worse than when I started off. Bumped up the speaker levels (the sub was set at minus 12db for example according to Audy), and still a long way to go to get it back to the audio joy I had before re-running Audy again. Wish I remembered all the settings..

Any clue why the volume would not jump on all channels driven with the Emotiva? I am running Ascend Acoustics 340SE (L/R/C) and HTM 200SE's for the surrounds. All are good for 200W unclipped peaks continuous according to Ascend.

 

In a calibrated system the ultimate SPL will be the same regardless of adding additional amplification power (average of 85dB with peaks of 105dB for the satellites and 115dB for the LFE when running at 0dB on the MV, or 'Reference' Level).  Audyssey attempts to calibrate your system to Reference.

 

The main benefit of additional amp power is that it creates more headroom and so keeps your amps away from the clipping point, which could result in a 'cleaner' sound and reduce or remove the possibility of damaging your speakers by driving the amp into clipping.

 

What you should find is:

 

  1. No difference at all in sound loudness or quality if your original amps were able to drive your speakers to the desired SPLs without clipping
  2. An improvement in sound quality if your original amps were not up to the above task and were occasionally clipping
  3. Potentially better dynamics if the new amps create more headroom (refer to Point 1)

 

If Audyssey is setting your sub to -12dB then it has 'run out of room' and you need to lower the gain on the sub's amp which will have the effect of raising the trim level away from -12dB.  See this section of the Audyssey FAQ for more info on this:

 

e)6.   What do I do if my trim levels are at the limits of their adjustment ('maxed out')?

post #5894 of 9474
Yes it could/should, but not necessarily louder.
KBarnes said it well, in the previous message.
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Originally Posted by snowyo View Post

Would not adding the Emotiva give a cleaner fuller sound w/less distortion at the top end.I am thinking of trying a seperate as well.I can get to about -3 before my speakers start to pop.I assume this the headroom and distortion of the amp and not my speakers...beacuse i had a previous amp that would go louder and fuller w/less "pop".I like the features of the Onkyo but for 40 some lbs i was hoping for louder and better...great theater amp..no so much musically.Ilike my speakers,I know their older but i like the soundstage they give me and the sound.They are Energy A3+2 Bipolar w a ES-12 XL SUB...
post #5895 of 9474
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Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

sc-1522-k is $599 right now???? where did you see that. i see $896 for new and i see a refurb for $499 on Amazon.
when i got mine it was an open box and i paid a little over $700 it was a Used like new and when i got it it was brand new. Right now there is a used like new for $799 on Amazon, but if your waiting for it to get to $600 i don't know if that will be soon unless it's really used. thats just my opinion.

Brand new in the box:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1464476/pioneer-sc-1522k-for-599-99-at-costco
post #5896 of 9474
Fantastic feedback and information there by everyone, thank you. In particular, JWCole and KBarnes.

KBarnes, thank you for that link and I've taken the time to read that whole article. Very informative. Your feedback has prompted me to redo Audy, and to read the owners manual again on the HSU to get it ready for Auto EQ.

Well, interesting. The HSU went to +1 DB, and the Ascends all went to between -7 and -3.5.

The sound is better, but I must admit to having upping the bass when I finished. Nice tight bass which one can feel. The rest of the setup, I like quite a bit.

Looking forward to reading any more feedback, if there is any. Much appreciated.
post #5897 of 9474
Hmm, that Pioneer is at the Costco 2 miles from me. Pioneer for $600 + tax, 818 for $750 (if I am lucky), or wait for an 818 price drop? Tough call!
post #5898 of 9474
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Originally Posted by LitoGeorge View Post


Looking forward to reading any more feedback, if there is any. Much appreciated.

Give it 2-3 weeks before making any major changes. There are chances that you will like the way it sounds even better as your ears get used to it (or as you are broken-in smile.gif )
post #5899 of 9474
hello,

i'm new on the amplifier world and i'm searching for a good one for be the substitute of my old Pioneer VSX-839 that have this things:

*normal/decent 5.1
*2 good stereo channels for 2 different rooms
*and most of all, a really good video processor for bump my video up (connected trough ethernet port to my nas)

reading here and there i found that the onkyo will be the one i am looking for tnx to his Qdeo™ technology from Marvell..

now it comes out with the TX- N818 that have the Qdeo one + HQV® Vida™ VHD1900 + ISF Video Calibration.
it seems to be the right one but suddenly i found a big difference:

TX-NR7*1*7
Quote:
The TX-NR717 offers full 4K (4096 x 2160) upscaling of standard video sources such as 480i/p, 720p, and 1080i/p. Interlaced-to-progressive conversion and scaling are performed by Qdeo video processing technology from Marvell. Qdeo uses algorithms to erase video noise and artifacts such as jaggies and feathering. Played back on a compatible wide-screen display, your Blu-ray Discs and DVDs will look more detailed and cinematic than ever.

TX-NR7*2*7
Quote:
The TX-NR727 uses Qdeo™ technology from Marvell to upscale standard video sources to brilliantly smooth 1080p (for regular HDTVs) and to an incredible 4K on compatible displays.

TX-NR8*1*8
HQV® Vida™ VHD1900
Quote:
The Vida VHD1900 upscales analog content to 1080p, and enhances native high-definition sources. The chip employs multi-cadence tracking, expanded 12-bit color processing, and four-field motion-adaptive de-interlacing. Auto HQV™ enhances the incoming image, while HQV StreamClean™ cleans up video from lower-quality online sources by eliminating mosquito and block noise.

Marvell Qdeo™ Technology
Quote:
Qdeo technology upscales 1080p sources to 4K (4096 x 2160)—even content already upscaled from lower resolutions by the HQV Vida processor. Played back on a compatible 4K display, your high-definition content will look more cinematic than ever.

the point is:
if i stream trough nas a "poor" video file starting from an odd 624x352 up to an HD 1280x720 which one of these amplifiers will do the best works in upscaling it to 1080p?

i am asking this cause the seller(s) - i have asked in different shops- tell me that the avr will do the upscaling of the file that i send via ethernet.
they said to me, turn on the tv, the avr and the nas. broswe the content u want to see and press play.
the work that is under is: nas playing the file, avr upscaling the video and reproduce the sound with the speaker connected to it, and the tv will reproduce the video.

but in the video chipset tread they said is not true and it was better if i ask here cause the point of the discussion was the onkyo TX-NR818.

and in fact the other guys r right, the things that will make me buy the onkyo TX-NR818 instead of pioneer SC-2022-K will be the video chipset (basing this choice on the informations gived to me by the sellers).

tnx everyone who will helps smile.gif and sorry for be that long but i tryed to be clearer as much as possible.
post #5900 of 9474
Dear current and potential 818 owners.

I pulled a trigger on 818 after selling my old denon avr-1911, which didn't have flacs support (the only reason I sold it)
Using it with MA RX8, RX1 and RX center . no sub.
Running 1120-8103-0101-0000 firmware
Square room of 7x7 meters
I see some sound improvements but , sound is more dynamic and I like it better, but that is no surprise as a denon was half the price.
I also own SR6007 which is in a different room. both Marantz and 818 are comparable with the sound quality IMO but thats the end of of it
I havnt managed to read all the posts yet but decided to write something here too.

Onkyo is my 4th receiver and I must sadly say its a worst one I have ever had:
Sadly I cant return it mad.gif
Here is a list of problems I recall now: (after two weeks I've had it)

Please read those and take them into a consideration before buying an Onkyo product;

-slow User Interface, - build in display seems to be much faster
-badly designed menu structure, confusing at times, seems to have multiple ways of getting to the same ting
-poor resolution user interface (seems to be upconverted from something like 480p)
-no gapless in mp3, flac (what a POS !!!) mad.gif
-switching mp3 up to 6 seconds, slower than flacs, which take about 3 seconds ????
-clicking of relays inside the unit during playing, only acceptable during on/off for me
-no custom device names
-no custom sound program names
-poor android app (not that important for me, but might be for others)
-loud pop sounds from speakers when changing sound format, tv channels swap
-even after running XT32 several times using all the FAQ I can think of, sometimes the audio content sounds to be filled with too much high frequency sounds, to a point it seems to be distorted. (movie mode seems to help a bit)
-after running the calibration for several times I can still see the weird problem of avr amplifying the low frequency sounds (I'm talking about sounds my speakers cant even reproduce) to a point I'm afraid of damaging the speakers (front speakers only) Can get rid of it as cant set the crossover to anything other than Full band when there is no subwoofer.
-with Usb stick inserted in the rear slot 818 sometimes doesnt start up ( no "now initializing" message), I have to restart, the same stick was working fine with the denon and is with sr6007.
-no option to repeat or stop a step in aydysey calibration if something goes wrong (dog barks)
-no info on TV screen when playing FM radio
-firmware update on home screen ( seriously Onkyo ?), easier to get to than some other important features... sack your UI designer
-no display off feature, only in pure audio

I will not consider any Onkyo product in this lifetime...
Cheers smile.gif

-
post #5901 of 9474
Quick question: for you guys using directv. Are you running your satellite "direct" through your receiver to the TV or are you up converting your directv to 1080p at the receiver? How are your results. I am out of town and just realized that I could do this.
post #5902 of 9474
Quote:
Originally Posted by marelc View Post

Dear current and potential 818 owners.

I pulled a trigger on 818 after selling my old denon avr-1911, which didn't have flacs support (the only reason I sold it)
Using it with MA RX8, RX1 and RX center . no sub.
Running 1120-8103-0101-0000 firmware
Square room of 7x7 meters
I see some sound improvements but , sound is more dynamic and I like it better, but that is no surprise as a denon was half the price.
I also own SR6007 which is in a different room. both Marantz and 818 are comparable with the sound quality IMO but thats the end of of it
I havnt managed to read all the posts yet but decided to write something here too.

Onkyo is my 4th receiver and I must sadly say its a worst one I have ever had:
Sadly I cant return it mad.gif
Here is a list of problems I recall now: (after two weeks I've had it)

Please read those and take them into a consideration before buying an Onkyo product;

-slow User Interface, - build in display seems to be much faster
-badly designed menu structure, confusing at times, seems to have multiple ways of getting to the same ting
-poor resolution user interface (seems to be upconverted from something like 480p)
-no gapless in mp3, flac (what a POS !!!) mad.gif
-switching mp3 up to 6 seconds, slower than flacs, which take about 3 seconds ????
-clicking of relays inside the unit during playing, only acceptable during on/off for me
-no custom device names
-no custom sound program names
-poor android app (not that important for me, but might be for others)
-loud pop sounds from speakers when changing sound format, tv channels swap
-even after running XT32 several times using all the FAQ I can think of, sometimes the audio content sounds to be filled with too much high frequency sounds, to a point it seems to be distorted. (movie mode seems to help a bit)
-after running the calibration for several times I can still see the weird problem of avr amplifying the low frequency sounds (I'm talking about sounds my speakers cant even reproduce) to a point I'm afraid of damaging the speakers (front speakers only) Can get rid of it as cant set the crossover to anything other than Full band when there is no subwoofer.
-with Usb stick inserted in the rear slot 818 sometimes doesnt start up ( no "now initializing" message), I have to restart, the same stick was working fine with the denon and is with sr6007.
-no option to repeat or stop a step in aydysey calibration if something goes wrong (dog barks)
-no info on TV screen when playing FM radio
-firmware update on home screen ( seriously Onkyo ?), easier to get to than some other important features... sack your UI designer
-no display off feature, only in pure audio

I will not consider any Onkyo product in this lifetime...
Cheers smile.gif

-

why can't you return it if your that unhappy
post #5903 of 9474
Quote:
Originally Posted by pwrjnky View Post

Quick question: for you guys using directv. Are you running your satellite "direct" through your receiver to the TV or are you up converting your directv to 1080p at the receiver? How are your results. I am out of town and just realized that I could do this.
yes i have directv and yes i run it through the receiver i do upscale to 1080P with no problem i do this both with the TX-NR818 and TX-NR616 with good results on both
post #5904 of 9474
Quote:
Originally Posted by bargervais View Post

why can't you return it if your that unhappy


Hi bargervais

This was a deal with my local shop, good price, no return.
Receiver was brand new in an unopened box , sadly I agreed.
Will probably sell it though for roughly the same money.
post #5905 of 9474
Quote:
Originally Posted by marelc View Post

Dear current and potential 818 owners.

I pulled a trigger on 818 after selling my old denon avr-1911, which didn't have flacs support (the only reason I sold it)
Using it with MA RX8, RX1 and RX center . no sub.
Running 1120-8103-0101-0000 firmware
Square room of 7x7 meters
I see some sound improvements but , sound is more dynamic and I like it better, but that is no surprise as a denon was half the price.
I also own SR6007 which is in a different room. both Marantz and 818 are comparable with the sound quality IMO but thats the end of of it
I havnt managed to read all the posts yet but decided to write something here too.

Onkyo is my 4th receiver and I must sadly say its a worst one I have ever had:
Sadly I cant return it mad.gif
Here is a list of problems I recall now: (after two weeks I've had it)

Please read those and take them into a consideration before buying an Onkyo product;

-slow User Interface, - build in display seems to be much faster
-badly designed menu structure, confusing at times, seems to have multiple ways of getting to the same ting
-poor resolution user interface (seems to be upconverted from something like 480p)
-no gapless in mp3, flac (what a POS !!!) mad.gif
-switching mp3 up to 6 seconds, slower than flacs, which take about 3 seconds ????
-clicking of relays inside the unit during playing, only acceptable during on/off for me
-no custom device names
-no custom sound program names
-poor android app (not that important for me, but might be for others)
-loud pop sounds from speakers when changing sound format, tv channels swap
-even after running XT32 several times using all the FAQ I can think of, sometimes the audio content sounds to be filled with too much high frequency sounds, to a point it seems to be distorted. (movie mode seems to help a bit)
-after running the calibration for several times I can still see the weird problem of avr amplifying the low frequency sounds (I'm talking about sounds my speakers cant even reproduce) to a point I'm afraid of damaging the speakers (front speakers only) Can get rid of it as cant set the crossover to anything other than Full band when there is no subwoofer.
-with Usb stick inserted in the rear slot 818 sometimes doesnt start up ( no "now initializing" message), I have to restart, the same stick was working fine with the denon and is with sr6007.
-no option to repeat or stop a step in aydysey calibration if something goes wrong (dog barks)
-no info on TV screen when playing FM radio
-firmware update on home screen ( seriously Onkyo ?), easier to get to than some other important features... sack your UI designer
-no display off feature, only in pure audio

I will not consider any Onkyo product in this lifetime...
Cheers smile.gif

-

Thanks for the feedback. These seem to be more annoyances rather than true issues though the popping sound can be a problem for the speakers. Hope you can get it to work out.
post #5906 of 9474
Quote:
Originally Posted by marelc View Post

Dear current and potential 818 owners.

I pulled a trigger on 818 after selling my old denon avr-1911, which didn't have flacs support (the only reason I sold it)
Using it with MA RX8, RX1 and RX center . no sub.
Running 1120-8103-0101-0000 firmware
Square room of 7x7 meters
I see some sound improvements but , sound is more dynamic and I like it better, but that is no surprise as a denon was half the price.
I also own SR6007 which is in a different room. both Marantz and 818 are comparable with the sound quality IMO but thats the end of of it
I havnt managed to read all the posts yet but decided to write something here too.

Onkyo is my 4th receiver and I must sadly say its a worst one I have ever had:
Sadly I cant return it mad.gif
Here is a list of problems I recall now: (after two weeks I've had it)

Please read those and take them into a consideration before buying an Onkyo product;

-slow User Interface, - build in display seems to be much faster
-badly designed menu structure, confusing at times, seems to have multiple ways of getting to the same ting
-poor resolution user interface (seems to be upconverted from something like 480p)
-no gapless in mp3, flac (what a POS !!!) mad.gif
-switching mp3 up to 6 seconds, slower than flacs, which take about 3 seconds ????
-clicking of relays inside the unit during playing, only acceptable during on/off for me
-no custom device names
-no custom sound program names
-poor android app (not that important for me, but might be for others)
-loud pop sounds from speakers when changing sound format, tv channels swap
-even after running XT32 several times using all the FAQ I can think of, sometimes the audio content sounds to be filled with too much high frequency sounds, to a point it seems to be distorted. (movie mode seems to help a bit)
-after running the calibration for several times I can still see the weird problem of avr amplifying the low frequency sounds (I'm talking about sounds my speakers cant even reproduce) to a point I'm afraid of damaging the speakers (front speakers only) Can get rid of it as cant set the crossover to anything other than Full band when there is no subwoofer.
-with Usb stick inserted in the rear slot 818 sometimes doesnt start up ( no "now initializing" message), I have to restart, the same stick was working fine with the denon and is with sr6007.
-no option to repeat or stop a step in aydysey calibration if something goes wrong (dog barks)
-no info on TV screen when playing FM radio
-firmware update on home screen ( seriously Onkyo ?), easier to get to than some other important features... sack your UI designer
-no display off feature, only in pure audio

I will not consider any Onkyo product in this lifetime...
Cheers smile.gif

-
The relay clicks are only when you switch from stereo <-> multi channel and turning on/off.

You can have custom device names. 4) Source Setup -> Name Edit.

I do wish the AV had more editable functions, but it's an AV at the end of the day.
post #5907 of 9474
Since the 818 doesn't have a 12v trigger for the main zone to turn on a ext amp. What do some of you use as a alternative so you don't have to go about turning your ext amp on manual every time?
post #5908 of 9474
Bargervais: I'm guessing you are setting your directv to native then are you just going into the menu of the onkyo via remote?? Is that where you are finding the option for the up conversion? The same place where you set direct or pass thru? I think I've seen it before. I won't be home until tomorrow to see it in person. Thanks in advance.
post #5909 of 9474
Quote:
Originally Posted by pretsam View Post

Since the 818 doesn't have a 12v trigger for the main zone to turn on a ext amp. What do some of you use as a alternative so you don't have to go about turning your ext amp on manual every time?
If you are just using a 5.1 setup, you just activate zone 2 and use that as the trigger. On the remote......I hit receiver on/off then zone 2 on/off. Unfortunately it won't work with a 7.1 set up. That's how I run my emotiva.
post #5910 of 9474
Quote:
Originally Posted by marelc View Post

Hi bargervais

This was a deal with my local shop, good price, no return.
Receiver was brand new in an unopened box , sadly I agreed.
Will probably sell it though for roughly the same money.
Sorry to hear that. I'm very happy with my 818 I have it set up 9.2 using two subs and using an external amp for front highs.
Edited by bargervais - 3/27/13 at 6:51pm
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