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post #6271 of 9491
thx for the awnsers guys.

I also have another question. My denon has Re-EQ setting tha softens the treble and could be enablet at the same time as audissey eq. the onkyo seems to not have such a setting. Is this true?
post #6272 of 9491
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Originally Posted by budtz View Post

thx for the awnsers guys.

I also have another question. My denon has Re-EQ setting tha softens the treble and could be enablet at the same time as audissey eq. the onkyo seems to not have such a setting. Is this true?

Try hitting the quick setup button on your remote, the re-eq setting should be in there somewhere..
post #6273 of 9491
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Originally Posted by GoatLocker View Post

All you need is a media player/server that supports both DLNA and FLAC. I use Logitech Media Server, a free program that is designed to support Squeezebox hardware, but also works great with DLNA renderers like the 818. I have also used Media Monkey Gold, which is great for managing and organizing your collection, but also supports DLNA. There are many others, free and $$$.

Hi GoatLucker,

I was trying to stream flac thru WMP12, but it won't play and WMP12 gave error message. Do these app program run in Win7 OS? Will try to find a copy of these and keep you posted.

Thanks.
post #6274 of 9491
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post

Would the Onkyo 809 be just as good as the 818 even if it does have a lesser version of Audyssey? The specs for the Onkyo 809 seem identical with the 818 with both being 135 watts 2-channel driven. The thing that I see better with the Onkyo 818 is the better version of Audyssey. Surely the lesser version of Audyssey with the Onkyo 809 is sufficient enough to setup only two speakers and the better version of Audyssey with the 818 may just be overkill at $200 more?


I own both and the 809 is perfect for 2.1 system for my office.
post #6275 of 9491
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Originally Posted by NODES View Post

I own both and the 809 is perfect for 2.1 system for my office.

Do the 809 and 818 produce the same exact sound quality to your speakers?
post #6276 of 9491
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Originally Posted by crystalineblue View Post

Hi GoatLucker,

I was trying to stream flac thru WMP12, but it won't play and WMP12 gave error message. Do these app program run in Win7 OS? Will try to find a copy of these and keep you posted.

Thanks.
i could never get windows to share anything with my recent receivers. I assume it was some firewall/Anti-virus setting, but could never find it nor did it alert me that the receivers were being denied access. This includes Pioneer 1022, Yamaha 573, Denon 2113 before finally settling into the 818. I have used Serviio (trial, normally $25 i think, and MediaMonkey free). My newest Linksys router has a USB port to connect my external 3TB drive so the router is acting as a DLNA server. All are viable options and usable with the Onkyo's OSD and Android devices i own.
post #6277 of 9491
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Originally Posted by jgminder View Post

Last night I received my 818 that I ordered from Amazon's Warehouse Deals and it arrived in the original box in perfect condition. I had a scare at first where it wasn't detecting my sub and left surround during calibration but after stopping calibration and starting it again and rechecking the plugs (everything was plugged in fine), it detected everything the second time and I was able to get through calibration. Everything sounds fantastic. I'm really impressed with XT32 as well as the video processing. My previous receiver is a VSX-1121-K which sounded fantastic but the 818 is a step above in every way. After comparing Advanced MCACC to Audyssey I think Advanced MCACC calibrates very close to what XT32 does minus the low end sub calibration. The detail and crispness of sound is neck and neck between the two, however, Audyssey's processing with DynamicEQ is much more enveloping to me. DynamicEQ just makes the surrounds come to life at any volume and combining that with the calibration to the sub frequencies makes it feel like I'm really at the movies.

Prior to the VSX-1121-K I had a Denon 2311 which was just as enveloping with a great low end just as the 818 (due to MultiEQ and DynamicEQ) but lacked the extra detail and crispness that the VSX-1121-K or the 818 have. Now with the 818, I feel like I have it all, great video processing, sub frequencies calibrated, along with detail and crispness of sound.

Just wanted to share my thoughts.

Does anyone know if the 818 can save and restore Audyssey Calibration? I just want to retest performing calibration and make sure that my speakers are consistently detected while I'm inside my 30 day return window.


Since you purchased the 818 form an unauthorized seller, I'm wondering 2 things: 1) can you download the firmware update(s); and 2) will Onkyo notify you of its new FW updates or will you have to keep checking its site or this forum? I suppose that it is likely too early for you to respond to #2.
post #6278 of 9491
Hi GoatLocker,

I already installed Media Monkey Gold, now I don't know how to stream music from media monkey to my 818.
post #6279 of 9491
Hi GoatLocker,

I shared media monkey already and my 818 can play flac from my laptop thru media monkey. Now my other question if you don't mind, how can i stream my music to 818 using my laptop and not my 818 searching thru laptop thru media monkey?

Thanks
post #6280 of 9491
For the record, I (finally) managed to unpack and set up my 818. I still have loads of things to explore, and also I didn't have time to do any critical music listening nor watch a movie. I did run Audyssey with 3 locations though (yes I can hear a faint click before each speaker is engaged). Coming from a Pioneer 1020, I must say at first sight, the upgrade does not provide a night and day difference. I agree that XT32 EQed my speakers a tad clearer/brighter than the Pio, which I like. Firmware is the one beginning with 1110.

Things I like about the 818:
  • General look and the two-line display.
  • Net input is perfectly usable headless using only the display, even for browsing DLNA servers or network locations.
  • Onkyo Remote app: I managed to play music from my favorite net radio stations, from my DLNA server and from my tablet. That is really something I was looking forward to. I can be in the kitchen and start playback without going in the living room to fetch the remote.
  • Back panel layout. Plugging everything in was a breeze.
  • The remote. Even though I won't use it much (I have a Harmony remote) it's *much* more fun to use than the Pioneer remote.
  • On-screen OSD. I find it unobtrusive and this was lacking on the Pio 1020.
  • Audyssey. I was surprised that it's actually faster and less annoying to perform than Pioneer's MCACC.
  • Setup was actually easier and faster than I thought given the number of options.
  • Power-on and input switching seems much faster than on the Pio 1020

Things I like less about the 818:
  • The white ring of light around the volume button. Can we turn that off? It clashes with the green of the display in my opinion.
  • The thing is quite big and heavy for the top shelf of my HT cabinet. It also runs a bit hot compared to the 1020 but this was expected.
  • Many net services are unusable in Canada anyway.
  • Onkyo Remote app: it's really ugly on a tablet and a bit slow.
  • For some reason volume reverts to -infinity (mute) when trying to use DLNA control software when one is already in use.
  • It looks like the AVR must be turned on using the remote software: sending a stream with another DLNA controller software does not turn the AVR on.
  • Maybe I'm mistaken about this... but isn't the number of input labels too low considering the number of actual physical inputs? For example, most HDMI inputs are used. BD is used by my PS3; GAME1 by my Xbox, and GAME2 by my WDTV Live. Now I also have a Wii, which I connected using the GAME1 component inputs. But it seems GAME1 refers to either the HDMI or the component input, not the two at the same time. This may pose a problem if I ever turn the Wii on again rolleyes.gif But the same is true with the AUX input, which seems to be either the HDMI or the RCA inputs on the front panel but not both.
  • Audyssey: it's a bit shy on the sub rolleyes.gif Easily fixed of course. In general I wonder whether the complicated series of pink noise and thumps in MCACC is completely replaced by the fast frequency sweeps of Audyssey. How many samples can Audyssey take during those sweeps? It's certainly faster than REW sweeps.
  • I admit I'm totally loss about which mode to use in which circumstances. The same with the various dynamic EQ / loudness / level correction features. I'll have to read a bit and try different things I guess.
post #6281 of 9491
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Originally Posted by crystalineblue View Post

Hi GoatLocker,

I shared media monkey already and my 818 can play flac from my laptop thru media monkey. Now my other question if you don't mind, how can i stream my music to 818 using my laptop and not my 818 searching thru laptop thru media monkey?

Thanks

The only way to do that is to use a media server that supports "Play To". The current version of Media Monkey does not support play to. WMP 12 does support play to, and if you google WMP and FLAC, there are ways to get WMP to support FLAC, through third party CODEC Packs or other add-ins/hacks. That said, play to and DLNA as a whole can be flakey, so I can't say how well it will work with the 818. Hopefully, some one here is doing what you wish to do and can help out. I'm using external hardware, as I find the Onkyo media streaming interface almost useless.
post #6282 of 9491
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Originally Posted by GoatLocker View Post

The only way to do that is to use a media server that supports "Play To". The current version of Media Monkey does not support play to. WMP 12 does support play to, and if you google WMP and FLAC, there are ways to get WMP to support FLAC, through third party CODEC Packs or other add-ins/hacks. That said, play to and DLNA as a whole can be flakey, so I can't say how well it will work with the 818. Hopefully, some one here is doing what you wish to do and can help out. I'm using external hardware, as I find the Onkyo media streaming interface almost useless.

You're right. It looks like the free Foobar2000 player has a plugin supporting playing to a DLNA media renderer. TVersity may also be able to do it, haven't checked. Does WMP12 has to actually be able to decode the FLAC to be able to stream it?
post #6283 of 9491
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post

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Originally Posted by jgminder View Post

Last night I received my 818 that I ordered from Amazon's Warehouse Deals and it arrived in the original box in perfect condition. I had a scare at first where it wasn't detecting my sub and left surround during calibration but after stopping calibration and starting it again and rechecking the plugs (everything was plugged in fine), it detected everything the second time and I was able to get through calibration. Everything sounds fantastic. I'm really impressed with XT32 as well as the video processing. My previous receiver is a VSX-1121-K which sounded fantastic but the 818 is a step above in every way. After comparing Advanced MCACC to Audyssey I think Advanced MCACC calibrates very close to what XT32 does minus the low end sub calibration. The detail and crispness of sound is neck and neck between the two, however, Audyssey's processing with DynamicEQ is much more enveloping to me. DynamicEQ just makes the surrounds come to life at any volume and combining that with the calibration to the sub frequencies makes it feel like I'm really at the movies.

Prior to the VSX-1121-K I had a Denon 2311 which was just as enveloping with a great low end just as the 818 (due to MultiEQ and DynamicEQ) but lacked the extra detail and crispness that the VSX-1121-K or the 818 have. Now with the 818, I feel like I have it all, great video processing, sub frequencies calibrated, along with detail and crispness of sound.

Just wanted to share my thoughts.

Does anyone know if the 818 can save and restore Audyssey Calibration? I just want to retest performing calibration and make sure that my speakers are consistently detected while I'm inside my 30 day return window.

Awesome that your 818 came in its original box from Amazon Warehouse Deals. It's a hit and miss when you buy from them because one person on here got theirs and it was all beat up since it wasn't in its original box and was just repackaged without proper protection. You got really lucky. I'm on the fence about buying this receiver from Amazon Warehouse deals.

I also bought mine from Warehouse Deals and it came in it's original box

Sent from my HTC One X
post #6284 of 9491
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

The white ring of light around the volume button. Can we turn that off? It clashes with the green of the display in my opinion.

With the remote in "receiver" mode press the bottom left button on the remote labeled dimmer to toggle the light on or off.
post #6285 of 9491
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1) can you download the firmware update(s); and 2) will Onkyo notify you of its new FW updates or will you have to keep checking its site or this forum? I suppose that it is likely too early for you to respond to #2.

The first thing I did was download the latest firmware so no issue there. It's a built in function of the receiver. As far as being notified, I can either periodically manually check for one or most likely rely on my avsforum addiction.
post #6286 of 9491
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Originally Posted by smooie View Post

With the remote in "receiver" mode press the bottom left button on the remote labeled dimmer to toggle the light on or off.

Awesome! Thanks!
post #6287 of 9491
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Originally Posted by RPGMasta View Post

Glad you found a fix that works for you, but my RIHD is already set to off with HDMI Through set to PC. perplexing.
RiHD is CEC. Maybe you need to also disable it on your TV as well, because CEC is a bus that will pass commands from your TV, through your AVR, and to your PC, even if you turn it off on the AVR.
Edited by Rebound - 4/20/13 at 2:30pm
post #6288 of 9491
I own the 609 and my HDMI output went out a few months back. Amazon now has the 818 at $799 which seems like an amazing price. Is this device having the same issues as the 609 with the HDMI output? Seems like a no brainer on upgrading here. Thoughts?
post #6289 of 9491
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Originally Posted by ftboomer View Post

I own the 609 and my HDMI output went out a few months back. Amazon now has the 818 at $799 which seems like an amazing price. Is this device having the same issues as the 609 with the HDMI output? Seems like a no brainer on upgrading here. Thoughts?

Onecall is selling the 818 for $699.92 plus free shipping. I just got mine. biggrin.gif
post #6290 of 9491
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Originally Posted by ftboomer View Post

I own the 609 and my HDMI output went out a few months back. Amazon now has the 818 at $799 which seems like an amazing price. Is this device having the same issues as the 609 with the HDMI output? Seems like a no brainer on upgrading here. Thoughts?

Mine Main out died on me, just an fyi.
post #6291 of 9491
I notice that my 818 has some sort of delay when starting a movie file (both on PS3 and media player), it's somehow faster with my old receiver and when hdmi is connected directly to the TV. Do you guys also experience and notice that? The delay is probably a few seconds and the sound comes out first for a split second before the picture on th tv screen.

Hope someone can check this.
Edited by haroldgutierrez - 4/21/13 at 2:47am
post #6292 of 9491
Short of searching through dozens of "setup" posts, does anyone have a link to the preferred process of updating firmware. I've seen some people using USB, talk of 24p, "only available from Onkyo's website", etc.
Out of the box my unit says latest firmware is installed 1110-8103-0101-0000. I have a network cable hooked up to it.
Thanks
post #6293 of 9491
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Originally Posted by haroldgutierrez View Post

I notice that my 818 has some sort of delay when starting a movie file (both on PS3 and media player), it's somehow faster with my old receiver and when hdmi is connected directly to the TV. Do you guys also experience and notice that? The delay is probably a few seconds and the sound comes out first for a split second before the picture on th tv screen.

Hope someone can check this.

Can you clarify what "some sort of delay" means (also, what "it's somehow faster" means, when referring to your old setup)? Also, are you talking about a subtle thing (milliseconds) or 10s of seconds?

I cannot tell from your terminology whether you are referring to the standard HDMI/Modern Display lip-sync problem or something else...
post #6294 of 9491
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Originally Posted by NODES View Post

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Originally Posted by ftboomer View Post

I own the 609 and my HDMI output went out a few months back. Amazon now has the 818 at $799 which seems like an amazing price. Is this device having the same issues as the 609 with the HDMI output? Seems like a no brainer on upgrading here. Thoughts?

Mine Main out died on me, just an fyi.

On your 818 or 609?
post #6295 of 9491
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

On your 818 or 609?
His 818.
post #6296 of 9491
I just bought a new Onkyo TX-NR818 and will be getting it on Wednesday. I am upgrading from an Onkyo TX-NR805. What improvements should I expect? I am really looking forward to the new Audyssey32XT. I have 9 Axiom Audio speakers and a Supercube and trying to decide the best way to hook them up. The Axiom speakers I have are pairs of: M80ti, M22ti, M3ti, QS4 and one VP150. I wonder if I should hook them up in audyssey dsx mode or some other way - please advise.

With my 805 I use my Samson Servo amp to power the M80ti's. Should I continue doing that or try to bi-amp the 818 to them for cleaner sound? I feel the Servo adds some distortion to my system. However, I did want to do the full 9.1 and put the M22Tis in Wide for Audyssey DSX as wide seems to produce the best sound from what I've read on here.

I also have a Pioneer BDP-62 blu-ray player that I just bought. Should I hook the Pioneer straight to my TV (it has 2 HDMI outs) or wire thru the receiver? Will the receiver improve the picture if I send it through there? They would be running to my Samsung PN59D8000 plasma.

My other components are (just in case anyone has tips for these components):
Logitech Google TV
Sony PS3
Xbox 360 w/HDMI that streams cable from my SiliconDust HD Homerun
Wii
Samsung BDP-2550 blu-ray player
DVDO Iscan Pro
BrightHouse Networks Cable Box
post #6297 of 9491
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

Can you clarify what "some sort of delay" means (also, what "it's somehow faster" means, when referring to your old setup)? Also, are you talking about a subtle thing (milliseconds) or 10s of seconds?

I cannot tell from your terminology whether you are referring to the standard HDMI/Modern Display lip-sync problem or something else...

What I meant was, when you play a movie, the sound comes out first before the picture on the screen so there seems to have some delay. In fact you would see on the receiver lcd panel that it would say no signal for a split second. Id just like to know if that's just normal
Edited by haroldgutierrez - 4/21/13 at 8:26am
post #6298 of 9491
Thx for Ur answers Guys.

I have another question however. I have had problems in the past connecting a surround receiver to a pc. Every time i turn off the receiver it turns off in windows as well - so it would switch back and forth between single monitor and dual monitor depending on the receivers powerstate. This gave me some problems. If u connect the receiver to a pc with an NVidia card. Will windows be able to see the receiver when the receiver is turned off? Or does it switch back and forth when it is turned on/off like if u where disconnecting/connecting the hdmi-cable to the receiver? So basically – does windows react in any way when the receiver is turned off then on again? Does any1 have a pc connected to their receiver and what are ur experiences?

Edit: Or maybe it is video-card dependent. i dont have any problems now. but i dont remeber if the problems i was having was before or after i upgraded to a new video card with a native hdmi out. maybe this behaviour is only when u connect the receiver to the nvidia's DVI output?

kind regards
post #6299 of 9491
I will be getting this receiver soon no audiophile here so my question is what speakers do you guys recommend? i was looking the Pioneer SP-PK52FS is it a good choice for the receiver?
post #6300 of 9491
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by gonnapena View Post

I just bought a new Onkyo TX-NR818 and will be getting it on Wednesday. I am upgrading from an Onkyo TX-NR805. What improvements should I expect? I am really looking forward to the new Audyssey32XT. I have 9 Axiom Audio speakers and a Supercube and trying to decide the best way to hook them up. The Axiom speakers I have are pairs of: M80ti, M22ti, M3ti, QS4 and one VP150. I wonder if I should hook them up in audyssey dsx mode or some other way - please advise.

For starters you will need to figure out how to power the 9 speakers you have as the 818 only has a 7 channel amplifier... so if you want all 9 speakers you must use an outboard amplifier for at least one pair.

In most cases bi-amping is a wasted effort, so I would concentrate on getting your 9 speakers placed properly. Only you are going to discover which sound mode you like best but most people seem quite happy with DSX wide, etc, with a 7 or 9 channel speaker setup.

With my 805 I use my Samson Servo amp to power the M80ti's. Should I continue doing that or try to bi-amp the 818 to them for cleaner sound? I feel the Servo adds some distortion to my system. However, I did want to do the full 9.1 and put the M22Tis in Wide for Audyssey DSX as wide seems to produce the best sound from what I've read on here.
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I also have a Pioneer BDP-62 blu-ray player that I just bought. Should I hook the Pioneer straight to my TV (it has 2 HDMI outs) or wire thru the receiver? Will the receiver improve the picture if I send it through there? They would be running to my Samsung PN59D8000 plasma.

If the Pioneer has dual HDMI outputs then you might consider wiring one output to the TV and the other to the AVR in order to reduce as much as possible any kind of lip sync delay.... You must run HDMI to the AVR in order to get HD audio from blu-ray discs.

It is highly doubtful that the AVR is going to noticeably improve your picture, although one advantage of running everything through the AVR and then running a single HDMI out from AVR to TV is that you can then tweak each individual input to the AVR if you do choose for example to adjust the picture a bit for any less than pristine (cable or satellite boxes for example or older game consoles) sources.
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