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Originally Posted by Magjuan View Post

Are these supposed to be coming out of the box with the latest firmware? I scanned this thread and I cannot tell as there is someone recently posting about his new 818 and trouble with updating the firmware. Just got mine this afternoon and it has the latest, supposedly brand new from Amazon. Just want to confirm.

By the way, I am coming from a Pio 1522-k and honestly to my ears the difference is night and day because of the sub EQ and XT32.

Thanks!

The 818 actually doesn't have subEQ HT.
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Originally Posted by benunc View Post

The 818 actually doesn't have subEQ HT.

He most likely meant how Audyssey eq's the sub with XT32 alone.
post #6363 of 9528
Question for those that have done the latest firmware update which addresses the 24 fps issue.... is the issue resolved?

Based on some of these comments, I'm wondering if it's worth the trouble/risk to do the update. I've been waiting for an update to get pushed to the receiver but doesn't look like that's going to happen so was thinking I might go ahead and do it manually....but now I see a post about it bricking the unit.
post #6364 of 9528
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Originally Posted by benunc View Post

Question for those that have done the latest firmware update which addresses the 24 fps issue.... is the issue resolved?

Based on some of these comments, I'm wondering if it's worth the trouble/risk to do the update. I've been waiting for an update to get pushed to the receiver but doesn't look like that's going to happen so was thinking I might go ahead and do it manually....but now I see a post about it bricking the unit.
It has fixed it.
post #6365 of 9528
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Originally Posted by Magjuan View Post

By the way, I am coming from a Pio 1522-k and honestly to my ears the difference is night and day because of the sub EQ and XT32.

I'm coming from a Pioneer 1020 and maybe I'm simply a very poor listener but to me differences were very minor. I was actually surprised that Pio's Advanced MCACC, with their 7-band EQ, came so close to MultEQ XT32 after all, except notably for the sub EQing (but I had that taken care of with external calibration with the Pio). The most notable difference is that Audyssey DynamicEQ is on by default when you use Audyssey. I'm still trying to decide if I want to keep it activated or not, but I'm leaning on no even if I like the improved bass at low volumes.

Since the 1522 is a much better AVR than the 1020 I'm kind of surprised by your assessment of the 818. Note that I didn't say the 818 sounded like crap -- on the contrary, I'm quite satisfied, the differences with the 1020 were subtle with DynamicEQ off. The main difference is that the sub is listenable to out of the box due to XT32 EQing it correctly, and an added edge to the high frequencies that I like a lot.
post #6366 of 9528
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Originally Posted by asere View Post

He most likely meant how Audyssey eq's the sub with XT32 alone.

Huh? He said he can hear a difference b/c of SubEq and XT32. Neither of his receivers has SubEq so it has nothing to do with any difference in sound. Figured I'd correct that point in case it caused confusion to prospective buyers.
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neutro,

I just went back and now see your confusion; The 2/28/2012 update will address the following: They put down the wrong date. It should be 2013 as it states above the blue bordered warning box; "A firmware update is now available through the Network or USB connections. (USB only for 2/28/13 update)
Latest Firmware Version: 1120-8103-0101-0000"

The bottom line is that the 1120 version is the one that fixes the 24p issue.
post #6368 of 9528
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Originally Posted by benunc View Post

Huh? He said he can hear a difference b/c of SubEq and XT32. Neither of his receivers has SubEq so it has nothing to do with any difference in sound. Figured I'd correct that point in case it caused confusion to prospective buyers.

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Originally Posted by benunc View Post

The 818 actually doesn't have subEQ HT.

He said Sub EQ not Sub EQ HT unless he meant to say Sub EQ HT.
post #6369 of 9528
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Originally Posted by asere View Post


He said Sub EQ not Sub EQ HT unless he meant to say Sub EQ HT.

Yeah, I guess I assumed he meant SubEQ HT since XT32 is the sub's eq; IOW, there's no reason to distinguish the sub's equalization from XT32. Either way, regardless of intentions, it was confusing to me at least so might have confused others.
post #6370 of 9528
I used these instructions from Markus and didn't have a problem. I too was apprehensive, having only done network updates but this went off without a hitch.

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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

Update instructions for firmware 1120-8103-0101-0000

1. Extract the ZIP file you've downloaded from Onkyo. It contains 5 files and a folder (which contains another 5 files). Copy the folder and the 5 files to the root of your USB flash drive. The contents of the flash drive should look something like this:



2. Switch RIHD off
Home > Setup > 7. Hardware Setup > 2. HDMI > HDMI Control (RIHD) > Off

3. Select "Net" as input source.

4. Insert USB flash drive with firmware, then:
Home >Firmware Update > USB

5. When the update has finished after about 10 minutes (display on the AVR shows "Complete!") then press the "On/Standby" button on the AVR.
post #6371 of 9528
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

I used these instructions from Markus and didn't have a problem. I too was apprehensive, having only done network updates but this went off without a hitch.

Thanks, I'll follow those steps too then.
post #6372 of 9528
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

I just went back and now see your confusion; The 2/28/2012 update will address the following: They put down the wrong date. It should be 2013 as it states above the blue bordered warning box;

Yeah that's what I thought. What are the chances of two firmware releases exactly one year apart biggrin.gif
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The bottom line is that the 1120 version is the one that fixes the 24p issue.

Thanks. But... What is in the 1110 version then? According to the moderator on the Onkyo USA forums, the 1110 was released to fix the 24 fps bug, and it is announced on the forum on February 28 as well. Earlier in this thread there was discussion regarding whether the 1110 version was the North American version and 1120 was the European version, but it doesn't seem to be the case as Onkyo USA now distributes the 1120 version.

Maybe I should install the 1120 version just to be sure then.
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Yeah that's what I thought. What are the chances of two firmware releases exactly one year apart biggrin.gif
Thanks. But... What is in the 1110 version then? According to the moderator on the Onkyo USA forums, the 1110 was released to fix the 24 fps bug, and it is announced on the forum on February 28 as well. Earlier in this thread there was discussion regarding whether the 1110 version was the North American version and 1120 was the European version, but it doesn't seem to be the case as Onkyo USA now distributes the 1120 version.

Maybe I should install the 1120 version just to be sure then.

The 1110 may have been the beta that was only available by e-mail from Onkyo before the official USB 1120 was released and he was mistakenly still referring to that. Folks who downloaded the beta might have that info. I used the official 1120 one after it was posted at support.
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Originally Posted by benunc View Post

Yeah, I guess I assumed he meant SubEQ HT since XT32 is the sub's eq; IOW, there's no reason to distinguish the sub's equalization from XT32. Either way, regardless of intentions, it was confusing to me at least so might have confused others.

So I am confuessed does the 818 have the best XT32 that does 2 subs?
Allen
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I have two speakers only and I can either go for this Onkyo or Harman Kardon HK 3490. The only thing that bothers me is the Harman Kardon doesn't have HDMI, will that affect the sound quality or would the optical input be just as good?
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post

I have two speakers only and I can either go for this Onkyo or Harman Kardon HK 3490. The only thing that bothers me is the Harman Kardon doesn't have HDMI, will that affect the sound quality or would the optical input be just as good?
You don't get the newer codecs for movies with out HDMI unless your bluray player does it, but even them you would have to hook it up with rca in to the recevier.
Allen
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Originally Posted by DekPM19 View Post

You don't get the newer codecs for movies with out HDMI unless your bluray player does it, but even them you would have to hook it up with rca in to the recevier.
Allen

I use my PS3 as a Blu-ray player, would that be enough? I only have two B&W 685 speakers and I want something to power them so I was leaning towards the Harman Kardon since it's a 2-channel receiver but no HDMI is a bummer.
post #6378 of 9528
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Originally Posted by DekPM19 View Post

So I am confuessed does the 818 have the best XT32 that does 2 subs?
Allen

The 818 does eq 2 subs but it sees them as one meaning it sets the distance and phase the same and then it eq them as one. However with an avr that has Sub EQ HT Audyssey will calibrate the distance and phase individually and then eq them together. From that one correction curve will be made and applied to both channels
Edited by asere - 4/24/13 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

The 1110 may have been the beta that was only available by e-mail from Onkyo before the official USB 1120 was released and he was mistakenly still referring to that. Folks who downloaded the beta might have that info. I used the official 1120 one after it was posted at support.

Okay then. But if the 1110 version is a beta, it's strange that if finds itself pre-installed on units (such as mine).
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Originally Posted by DekPM19 View Post

So I am confuessed does the 818 have the best XT32 that does 2 subs?
Allen
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Originally Posted by asere View Post

The 818 does eq 2 subs but it sees them as one meaning it sets the distance and phase the same and then it eq them as one. However with an avr that has Sub EQ HT Audyssey will calibrate the distance and phase individually and then eq them together. From that one correction curve will be made and applied to both channels

Exactly. It's a bit weird because SubEQ HT doesn't actually deals with subwoofer equalization. SubEQ HT individually adjust the gain, distance (delays) and phase of two subs. EQing is still performed by MultEQ XT32. SubEQ HT -equipped AVRs will also have the dual subs EQed as a pair. So what the 818 is missing is actually only individual sub gain/delay/phase adjustment.
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

neutro,

I just went back and now see your confusion; The 2/28/2012 update will address the following: They put down the wrong date. It should be 2013 as it states above the blue bordered warning box; "A firmware update is now available through the Network or USB connections. (USB only for 2/28/13 update)
Latest Firmware Version: 1120-8103-0101-0000"

The bottom line is that the 1120 version is the one that fixes the 24p issue.

Mine has 1120 out of the sealed box from Amazon (not warehouse deals).

So just to confirm with the NR818 experts....these are now coming with the latest firmware? If so great! I just do not want to have received a unit with anything out of the ordinary that other people are not receiving.
post #6381 of 9528
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Originally Posted by asere View Post

He most likely meant how Audyssey eq's the sub with XT32 alone.

Correct. I should have said provides an EQ for the Sub unlike the Pio. Sorry for any confusion.
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Would it be better to buy this Onkyo 818 over the two-channel Harman Kardon 3490 simply because of HDMI inputs and the Audyssey feature?
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Mine also came from Amazon , new, with 1120 firmware smile.gif

And NO ISSUES smile.gif
post #6384 of 9528
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I'm coming from a Pioneer 1020 and maybe I'm simply a very poor listener but to me differences were very minor. I was actually surprised that Pio's Advanced MCACC, with their 7-band EQ, came so close to MultEQ XT32 after all, except notably for the sub EQing (but I had that taken care of with external calibration with the Pio). The most notable difference is that Audyssey DynamicEQ is on by default when you use Audyssey. I'm still trying to decide if I want to keep it activated or not, but I'm leaning on no even if I like the improved bass at low volumes.

Since the 1522 is a much better AVR than the 1020 I'm kind of surprised by your assessment of the 818. Note that I didn't say the 818 sounded like crap -- on the contrary, I'm quite satisfied, the differences with the 1020 were subtle with DynamicEQ off. The main difference is that the sub is listenable to out of the box due to XT32 EQing it correctly, and an added edge to the high frequencies that I like a lot.

Your listening environment likely is much better than mine or treated. Mine is a very large room in a new house with lots of glass and wood floor open to other large spaces. While the Pio was an upgrade form my previous receiver, any receiver that does not EQ the sub is doomed to fail in my room. Combine that with the fact that MCACC would only calibrate one listening position (or three). So, in my room, the difference was night and day.
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Originally Posted by JL-F1 View Post

Mine also came from Amazon , new, with 1120 firmware smile.gif

And NO ISSUES smile.gif

Thanks! Good to know.
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Originally Posted by DekPM19 View Post

So I am confuessed does the 818 have the best XT32 that does 2 subs?
Allen

I'll add done thing to what's already been said - if you have 2 subs that are equal distance from the main listening position, you probably won't benefit from SubEQ HT; just set both subs to the same gain and run Audyssey. Also if you have more than 2 subs, you probably won't benefit from it as it's designed for 2 subs. And of course if you have only 1 sub, it isn't used at all.

The real benefit is for those with 2 subs that are different distances from the main listening position. If you have an SPL meter, you can set the gain on each sub yourself to level match them prior to running Audyssey (that's what I do for my 4 subs). In fact, I guess you could level match the subs without an SPL meter by plugging in 1 sub at a time and beginning to run Audyssey to calibrate each sub to 75db (the first step before measurements are take); once the 1st sub is adjusted to 75db, unplug the Audyssey mic, repeat with the other sub, then repeat once more with both subs plugged in and run Audyssey all the way through. Once you've level matched the subs, the only thing you're missing from not having SubEQ HT is the ability to set individual distances for each of the 2 subs, which may or may not have much of an impact.
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Originally Posted by Magjuan View Post

Mine has 1120 out of the sealed box from Amazon (not warehouse deals).

So just to confirm with the NR818 experts....these are now coming with the latest firmware? If so great! I just do not want to have received a unit with anything out of the ordinary that other people are not receiving.

Mine had current FW as well, new from Amazon. I got mine almost a month ago.
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Originally Posted by pretsam View Post

Mine had current FW as well, new from Amazon. I got mine almost a month ago.

I just got mine from Onecall. How do I know what firmware is on it from the factory? I'm sure this is been answered before so sorry for asking a question the second time.
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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post

I just got mine from Onecall. How do I know what firmware is on it from the factory? I'm sure this is been answered before so sorry for asking a question the second time.

Click the Home button, then Firmware Update. It should be shown there.
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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post

I just got mine from Onecall. How do I know what firmware is on it from the factory? I'm sure this is been answered before so sorry for asking a question the second time.

Just curious , did you get an Open Box 818 from OneCall or new.

If it was Open Box , what was the condition of the 818??

Thanks
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