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post #6451 of 9475
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

I had not registered that it was an open box item. For $200 it might be ok to keep it. But I don't understand why you'd have to *pay* to return it considering the damage.

It sounds like Amazon gave him a very sizable credit for the damage in order for him to keep the unit, despite the damage. That's where the "cost me money if I return it" statement comes from if I understand correctly.

If he had led his statement about the damage with "this was an open box and wasn't packed very well, and I got a helluva deal" more people would probably have told him to just hang onto it. My 818 sits in a large wooden entertainment center, you couldn't even tell if there was damage because it's behind a door. I'd say keep it and apply those savings towards something else to notch up your system or save it towards the next big AVR improvement in a couple of years.
post #6452 of 9475
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Originally Posted by GoatLocker View Post

I think there are 2 major reasons.

1. Onkyo had a few years of poor reliability with their HDMI cards. They are still offering free repair to AVRs that are over 4 years old (which is great customer service IMHO). They appear to have fixed this issue as of the X09 series, but the damage to their reputation remains, at least here on AVS.

2. Onkyo has a bad habit of releasing AVR's before the firmware is thoroughly tested. Case in point, the 24P issue and a multitude of issues with the 616 and below firmware. These issues get amplified on the interwebs. Look on Amazon and there are still 1-star reviews for the 818 for the 24P issue that was fixed months ago. Eventually, they get the issues fixed, but it's frustrating for the early adopters.

That said, I don't think there is a better bang for the buck AVR out there, along with the current Costco deal for the Pioneer SC-1522 . The 818's issues have pretty much been worked out, so if it has the features you want, I would jump on it.

Thank you. As a new member of this hobby I am glad I wasn't there to experience Onkyo's defective products of the past. I suppose I came into this hobby at the right time. I've been watching the Onkyo 818 closely for a little while and I will probably wait a tad longer to see if OneCall drops their open box under the $700 range since new ones are selling for $800.

One more thing. The Onkyo TX-NR809 seems to be essentially the same kind of receiver except it has a lesser version of the Audyssey feature. Will this lesser version be a detriment compared to the Onkyo 818 when only two speakers are involved? How big of difference will the Audyssey MultEQ XT vs XT32 make when it comes to only two speakers?
post #6453 of 9475
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post

The Onkyo TX-NR809 seems to be essentially the same kind of receiver except it has a lesser version of the Audyssey feature. Will this lesser version be a detriment compared to the Onkyo 818 when only two speakers are involved? How big of difference will the Audyssey MultEQ XT vs XT32 make when it comes to only two speakers?

I can't speak for the 809, as I never owned one, but it probably won't make a huge difference. I went from MultEQ to XT32 and the difference was easy to hear. I would think XT would be somewhere between the 2 (I know, they call me Capt Obvious). Coming from the X07 series, I really appreciate the decreased heat and what Onkyo calls Hybrid Standby, which allows HDMI passthrough and Network Control while drawing only a couple watts and producing no noticable heat. My old Onkyo was hotter in standby than my 818 is while watching a movie. I believe the 809 also has high standby power. You can eliminate this problem by turning off HDMI Pass through and Network control.
post #6454 of 9475
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post

Thank you. As a new member of this hobby I am glad I wasn't there to experience Onkyo's defective products of the past. I suppose I came into this hobby at the right time. I've been watching the Onkyo 818 closely for a little while and I will probably wait a tad longer to see if OneCall drops their open box under the $700 range since new ones are selling for $800.

One more thing. The Onkyo TX-NR809 seems to be essentially the same kind of receiver except it has a lesser version of the Audyssey feature. Will this lesser version be a detriment compared to the Onkyo 818 when only two speakers are involved? How big of difference will the Audyssey MultEQ XT vs XT32 make when it comes to only two speakers?

I think your getting to the point of "over thinking". The 818 is the better of the two choices and is a great receiver. Get it and ENJOY!
post #6455 of 9475
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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post

I think your getting to the point of "over thinking". The 818 is the better of the two choices and is a great receiver. Get it and ENJOY!

I suppose you are right. Right now the price is dropping and I'm waiting until it drops to less than $700 for the open box from Amazon. I'm willing to wait one more month.
post #6456 of 9475
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post

I suppose you are right. Right now the price is dropping and I'm waiting until it drops to less than $700 for the open box from Amazon. I'm willing to wait one more month.

Watch it daily if not multiple times daily. The price can drop and then go back up and you would've missed out. Happens all the time. Good luck. Watch the great deals thread for the 818. Many authorized online dealers so I wouldn't lock into Amazon. If you get it for less than $700 don't tell me.mad.gif

Great deals thread
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1418870/onkyo-tx-nr818-949-88/420#post_23242769

Authorized dealers
http://us.onkyo.com/Support/dealerlist.php?source=indexWell
post #6457 of 9475
I give up...

Been watching this thread on and off for five months. So far the longest running complaints seem to be lack of gap less music and proper setup of the xt32 crossovers. Well I'm tired of waiting to move my Den on avc3030 into the basement and the Pioneer SX1270 into the garage. I ordered the one call open box deal. Keeping my fingers crossed that it isn't beat up.

Now if I could only part with the SX1270. Its about 35 years old and still works. Made back in the days when styling counted. Back when knobs were machined and weighted. Back when mechanical switches were used to route audio. Back when power supplies used big heavy transformers and huge caps. Back when the dinosaurs wore headphones...
post #6458 of 9475
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Originally Posted by cpetku View Post

I give up...

Been watching this thread on and off for five months. So far the longest running complaints seem to be lack of gap less music and proper setup of the xt32 crossovers. Well I'm tired of waiting to move my Den on avc3030 into the basement and the Pioneer SX1270 into the garage. I ordered the one call open box deal. Keeping my fingers crossed that it isn't beat up.

Now if I could only part with the SX1270. Its about 35 years old and still works. Made back in the days when styling counted. Back when knobs were machined and weighted. Back when mechanical switches were used to route audio. Back when power supplies used big heavy transformers and huge caps. Back when the dinosaurs wore headphones...

Didn't Onkyo fix the lack of gap less music through a firmware update? One reviewer on Amazon said you're supposed to directly request the firmware update from Onkyo to fix this issue:

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR818-7-2-Channel-Network-Receiver/product-reviews/B007JOO4XE/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0
post #6459 of 9475
Well I´m here to post my thoughts about this receiver.

- First this receiver replace a Denon AVR-3312CI, it wasn´t a bad receiver but this Onkyo is so much better
- Picture Quality is a lot better than the Denon
- I have a 5.1 system, and the power is more noticeably in this Onkyo, it´s like 10dB Louder according to the reference volume, that´s a big difference
- MultEQ XT32 is also better than MultEQ XT, like people said, specially in the low end, the low frequencies are now more tight and with less gain, I have my sub almost at 25% when I had it at 40% in the Denon, I have a MFW-15 in a small room, like 3x3 meters
- The GUI is better and easy to navigate
- Is much cooler, it doesn´t even get warm, I can´t believe it since I was owner of the TX-SR606 and HT-RC180 (almost the same as TX-NR807) and they get pretty hot, the Denon also still gets hot, I really like that this Onkyo have a large heatsink plus 2 fans that do a good job on kepping the receiver cool

I think I did a good upgrade
post #6460 of 9475
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Originally Posted by juanchibiris View Post

Well I´m here to post my thoughts about this receiver.

- First this receiver replace a Denon AVR-3312CI, it wasn´t a bad receiver but this Onkyo is so much better
- Picture Quality is a lot better than the Denon
- I have a 5.1 system, and the power is more noticeably in this Onkyo, it´s like 10dB Louder according to the reference volume, that´s a big difference
- MultEQ XT32 is also better than MultEQ XT, like people said, specially in the low end, the low frequencies are now more tight and with less gain, I have my sub almost at 25% when I had it at 40% in the Denon, I have a MFW-15 in a small room, like 3x3 meters
- The GUI is better and easy to navigate
- Is much cooler, it doesn´t even get warm, I can´t believe it since I was owner of the TX-SR606 and HT-RC180 (almost the same as TX-NR807) and they get pretty hot, the Denon also still gets hot, I really like that this Onkyo have a large heatsink plus 2 fans that do a good job on kepping the receiver cool

I think I did a good upgrade

Very nice. I would like to hear from other satisfied Onkyo 818 owners so I can anticipate getting mine even more. biggrin.gif
post #6461 of 9475
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Originally Posted by juanchibiris View Post

- First this receiver replace a Denon AVR-3312CI, it wasn´t a bad receiver but this Onkyo is so much better

Having hesitated between the 818 and various other receivers (including recent Denons), this is kind of reassuring.
Quote:
- I have a 5.1 system, and the power is more noticeably in this Onkyo, it´s like 10dB Louder according to the reference volume, that´s a big difference
- MultEQ XT32 is also better than MultEQ XT, like people said, specially in the low end, the low frequencies are now more tight and with less gain, I have my sub almost at 25% when I had it at 40% in the Denon, I have a MFW-15 in a small room, like 3x3 meters

How much of this do you think is due to Audyssey DynamicEQ being on by default? Activating it raises the volume quite a bit at low volume and significantly boost the low-end if listening below, say, -15 to -10 dB from reference. I'm not saying the sub out is not well EQed: I haven't yet measured the result using REW but it *does* sound good and well-balanced. It's just that DynamicEQ is kind of a trick and any comparison with another receiver, I think, should be done with DynamicEQ off. That feature should be used knowing that it significantly skews the frequency response and volume settings.
post #6462 of 9475
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Having hesitated between the 818 and various other receivers (including recent Denons), this is kind of reassuring.
How much of this do you think is due to Audyssey DynamicEQ being on by default? Activating it raises the volume quite a bit at low volume and significantly boost the low-end if listening below, say, -15 to -10 dB from reference. I'm not saying the sub out is not well EQed: I haven't yet measured the result using REW but it *does* sound good and well-balanced. It's just that DynamicEQ is kind of a trick and any comparison with another receiver, I think, should be done with DynamicEQ off. That feature should be used knowing that it significantly skews the frequency response and volume settings.

I think DynamicEQ has nothing to do with that, because I tried both receivers with it on and off, on the Denon I watched movies at -5-0dB but on this receiver -15 to -8 it´s like the equivalent in terms of output.

Also I really liked the calibration it did, with the other receivers I had to change some levels, specially the sub gain and center, and sometimes the surrounds, this calibration is more accurate and the sound is cleaner, more detailed than my previous Denon, I have to say this receiver is used 100% for movies paired with a JBL Front Stage (L820s and LC2) and Paradigm ADP-390 surrounds
post #6463 of 9475
I use the software Reclock when vieweing movies from my PC. The receiver seems to have problems with reclock's ac3 encode mode. i get audio dropouts. i have used my previous denon for years with no problems. Its strange, when I use ffdshow's ac3 encode mode everything is fine but then i cant use reclock.

does any1 else here use reclock?
Edited by budtz - 4/26/13 at 7:20am
post #6464 of 9475
Hi, just got a Onkyo 818 receiver yesterday and the following are the connections:

BD/DVD slot - WD TV
Cbl/Sat : Dish TV
Game 1 : PS3

The output is HDMI to a Samsung TV in 1080p mode.

When I switch on the system to BD/DVD input, the receiver flashes 'no signal'. When I press instapreview, the background comes correct as that of the WDTV and the previes for CBL/SAT shows Dish TV. When I click on the preview, screen becomes blank and the receiver flashes 'no signal'.

At this time, I change the input to D/DVD and its the same 'no signal'. Click on instapreview, WD TV comes back on...

What's going on??

I have since tried changing the HDMI out to 'Auto' - no use....
post #6465 of 9475
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Originally Posted by budtz View Post

I use the software Reclock when vieweing movies from my PC. The receiver seems to have problems with reclock's ac3 encode mode. i get audio dropouts. i have used my previous denon for years with no problems. Its strange, when I use ffdshow's ac3 encode mode everything is fine but then i cant use reclock.

does any1 else here use reclock?

Why are you using reclock's ac3 encoder? That's intended as a way to get multi-channel off the PC when using S/PDIF. With HDMI you don't need to do that (and take the loss in quality).
post #6466 of 9475
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Originally Posted by kramanat View Post

Hi, just got a Onkyo 818 receiver yesterday and the following are the connections:

BD/DVD slot - WD TV
Cbl/Sat : Dish TV
Game 1 : PS3

The output is HDMI to a Samsung TV in 1080p mode.

When I switch on the system to BD/DVD input, the receiver flashes 'no signal'. When I press instapreview, the background comes correct as that of the WDTV and the previes for CBL/SAT shows Dish TV. When I click on the preview, screen becomes blank and the receiver flashes 'no signal'.

At this time, I change the input to D/DVD and its the same 'no signal'. Click on instapreview, WD TV comes back on...

What's going on??

I have since tried changing the HDMI out to 'Auto' - no use....

Not sure exactly -- I too have a PS3 and WDTV Live and they both worked out of the box (although the PS3 is on BD/DVD and WDTV Live is on Game 2 in my case). Note that the WDTV may take a few seconds to wake up and finally send signal. But if you see the background in instapreview, I'm at lost as to what happens. Maybe the BD/DVD input is set to use different physical inputs for video and audio (e.g. HDMI + optical?)
post #6467 of 9475
So, is the consensus that Onkyo has fixed the HDMI issues that have been plaguing the last few receiver models? Or is it still a crap shoot?

I'd like to be able to recommend their stuff again, but I'm still a little skittish.
post #6468 of 9475
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

Why are you using reclock's ac3 encoder? That's intended as a way to get multi-channel off the PC when using S/PDIF. With HDMI you don't need to do that (and take the loss in quality).

I AM using spdif. I’m running the signal though my TV. Partly because it’s the only way for me to get proper lip-sync. But also because connecting the receiver to the pc didn’t go so well. There was over scan enabled so the image was enlarged and somehow distorted. I could especially see it on text. It looked like a scaling issue. I was using the game input however.
Will over scan be disabled if I use the pc hdmi input on the receiver? Are there any differences in the inputs - or a way to disable overscan? I think the receivers image-processing is messing with the image somehow.

I have the reciever set on "source" and "direct" by the way
post #6469 of 9475
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Originally Posted by budtz View Post

I AM using spdif. I’m running the signal though my TV. Partly because it’s the only way for me to get proper lip-sync. But also because connecting the receiver to the pc didn’t go so well. There was over scan enabled so the image was enlarged and somehow distorted. I could especially see it on text. It looked like a scaling issue. I was using the game input however.
Will over scan be disabled if I use the pc hdmi input on the receiver? Are there any differences in the inputs - or a way to disable overscan? I think the receivers image-processing is messing with the image somehow.

I have the reciever set on "source" and "direct" by the way

Overscan is controlled (usually per input) on the TV and by the PC. If you disable it on both sides it will work the way you want. Introducing the AVR into the mix should have no affect on it either way.
post #6470 of 9475
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by budtz View Post

I use the software Reclock when vieweing movies from my PC. The receiver seems to have problems with reclock's ac3 encode mode. i get audio dropouts. i have used my previous denon for years with no problems. Its strange, when I use ffdshow's ac3 encode mode everything is fine but then i cant use reclock.

does any1 else here use reclock?

I don't use re-clock. I just tell XBMC (OpenElec) to sync to the display video (HDMI) clock and to re-sample or drop the audio if necessary. With a video card that supports a reasonably tight 23.976 this will get you pretty much frame perfect performance via the 818 to a 24P capable display. This also supports HD audio, which you won't get with optical/toslink.
post #6471 of 9475
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Originally Posted by cpetku View Post

I give up...

Been watching this thread on and off for five months. So far the longest running complaints seem to be lack of gap less music and proper setup of the xt32 crossovers. Well I'm tired of waiting to move my Den on avc3030 into the basement and the Pioneer SX1270 into the garage. I ordered the one call open box deal. Keeping my fingers crossed that it isn't beat up.

Now if I could only part with the SX1270. Its about 35 years old and still works. Made back in the days when styling counted. Back when knobs were machined and weighted. Back when mechanical switches were used to route audio. Back when power supplies used big heavy transformers and huge caps. Back when the dinosaurs wore headphones...

I'm a very satisfied 818 One Call owner. I am willing to bet you won't be able to tell why your receiver isn't brand new. Please post about the condition it arrives in.
post #6472 of 9475
!st timer writing on these.....I read them to learn though..when I play a 3D BD through 1 of the 1st 4 HDMI...my DVD player OSD reads something like " 3D signal not able to pass to a proper display unit" is the VP of the reciever blocking/changing the signal...now I have to run a seperate video signal strait to my new 80 3D Sharp tv....do I turn the VP off to let the 3d sinal go thru the 818 to my Sharp 844u...and when I do this the optical signal comes as a 2 channnel to the onkyo????/helps me helps me somebody helps me!
post #6473 of 9475
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

So, is the consensus that Onkyo has fixed the HDMI issues that have been plaguing the last few receiver models? Or is it still a crap shoot?

I'd like to be able to recommend their stuff again, but I'm still a little skittish.

Reading through the X09/XX09 series threads and other forums, after almost 2 years in the wild, it looks like they have no more failures than any other brand. Same for the X1X series after about 1 year. Personally, I think they have identified and addressed the HDMI problems (caps in the X06 and BGA/heat issues in the X07/X08). If I were a pro whose recommendations affected my livelihood, I would probably wait a little longer to be sure.
post #6474 of 9475
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Originally Posted by Dr Sookie View Post

!st timer writing on these.....I read them to learn though..when I play a 3D BD through 1 of the 1st 4 HDMI...my DVD player OSD reads something like " 3D signal not able to pass to a proper display unit" is the VP of the reciever blocking/changing the signal...now I have to run a seperate video signal strait to my new 80 3D Sharp tv....do I turn the VP off to let the 3d sinal go thru the 818 to my Sharp 844u...and when I do this the optical signal comes as a 2 channnel to the onkyo????/helps me helps me somebody helps me!

When I did some EDID tests a couple of weeks ago, I noted that the 818 doesn't claim to support 3D unless it is connected to a display that supports 3D. You might be running into a power sequencing problem. HDMI devices, especially when an HDMI switch is in the mix, sometimes get picky.

Have you tried this specific power on sequence:

1) power on your display
2) power on the 818
3) power on the bluray player

?

For what it's worth, I've found the 818 to support 3D flawlessly. It even renders the OSD on the 3D image correctly.
post #6475 of 9475
I haven't tried that but I have been having to do these kind of off/on things to get the picture from the cable box .....when I leave the 818 on w/ volumn turn off...the video signal stops and i have to trick it by turning up the volumn brfore I turn on my Sharp tv....this may not be doing anything but I have only had both for a week and I am still learning...wonder if my DVD player is not reading the thru signal correctly
post #6476 of 9475
Working with firmware:

I got a PM asking me what I knew about firmware, so I gave it another look-see today and this is what I came up with.

The latest firmware on a US TX-NR818 (24fps fix) via the VFD display is this:
Code:
Main  1.12/13110 AM     Jan 10, 2013
DSP1  1.08/12X04 AM9    October 4, 2012
DSP2  1.01/12424 aMA    April 24, 2012
Video 1.03/12X31 BM     October 31, 2012
VSP   1.01/12329 AE0    March 29, 2012
OSD   1.00/12207 AM     Feb 7, 2012


This is for Firmware 1120-8103-0101-0000. The firmware dates are correct, they are formatted appropriately according to the service manuals for various Onkyos.

Trying to decipher the version string here I came up with this:

112 (Main) 08 (DSP) 103 (Video) 01 01 DSP2, VSP (don't know which is which) 0000 (OSD, Unknown)

The "1" in front of Main and Video may not be the major version, but some other status.

If anyone has other input as to how to figure these out, it would be appreciated. Those of you with failed FW updates that remember where it crapped out and where the ?? appears would be a help too.

I have several other receivers here and will cross reference with those over the weekend.

Anyone with other firmware revs feel free to post your numbers.

Hold down Display and Press "Standby/ON". The + and - for the Tone controls scrolls through the FW numbers. If you do not hit a key in a few seconds, the screen reverts to normal. You can get your firmware string from the firmware update page.
post #6477 of 9475
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Originally Posted by rworne View Post

Those of you with failed FW updates that remember where it crapped out and where the ?? appears would be a help too.

I had a failure that gave me "1100-7101-01??-0000". This was when upgrading from the network available version to the "beta" version.

There is a post someone on AVS or the internet with this info... It's going to report something very close to what you decoded. I just couldn't find it... maybe someone has a link?

Oh, BTW... The dates on these are telling.

Video 1.03/12X31 BM October 31, 2012

This pretty much means that Onkyo knew about the 24fps bug for a long time and FIXED it back in October 2012... but didn't release or admit anything until end of February 2013.
post #6478 of 9475
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Originally Posted by MadMyers View Post

I had a failure that gave me "1100-7101-01??-0000". This was when upgrading from the network available version to the "beta" version.

There is a post someone on AVS or the internet with this info... It's going to report something very close to what you decoded. I just couldn't find it... maybe someone has a link?

Oh, BTW... The dates on these are telling.

Video 1.03/12X31 BM October 31, 2012

This pretty much means that Onkyo knew about the 24fps bug for a long time and FIXED it back in October 2012... but didn't release or admit anything until end of February 2013.

Do you recall what stage the firmware update failed?

Also, the 24fps bug may not only be in the Video firmware. There's tons of stuff going on in MAIN. What happens is that some of these update the receivers' filesystem. The ARM processor on this thing is a full-blown Linux computer and it is responsible for at the very least a bunch of audio processing, firmware updates, and everything that goes on over the network.

Unfortunately I found out about all this after updating to the latest FW version. If I had not updated, I would have had dumps of the unencrypted flash for both versions so I could do a diff and see what they had changed.
post #6479 of 9475
Do you know if there is a way to get a prompt on the OS? I think I saw it's possible through the RS-232 port, but I was thinking more through telnet or ssh. On my Pioneer AVR I can have telnet access on a non-standard port. I tried telneting on port 60128 -- which I saw is the default port on some older Onkyo receivers -- but it didn't work. Interestingly trying to ssh on port 22 results in a "connexion refused" error instead of having no answer. Maybe there's a way to enable ssh access?
post #6480 of 9475
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Originally Posted by neutro View Post

Do you know if there is a way to get a prompt on the OS? I think I saw it's possible through the RS-232 port, but I was thinking more through telnet or ssh. On my Pioneer AVR I can have telnet access on a non-standard port. I tried telneting on port 60128 -- which I saw is the default port on some older Onkyo receivers -- but it didn't work. Interestingly trying to ssh on port 22 results in a "connexion refused" error instead of having no answer. Maybe there's a way to enable ssh access?

The "official" way is via the service port on top of the HDMI board. "Official" may not be the correct term, they (Onkyo) did not document it very well but it is rather easy to access it. They also get hostile and stonewall if you talk about "confidential material" with them.

There is a remote exploit to access shell on the receiver, but I cannot say how to do it (I have an agreement with Onkyo on this, they have been notified of the exploit).

I posted another thread here on how to get a shell on the receiver. It needs a small amount of soldering skill to make a cable (if I can make it, anyone can). I also say what USB cable to get and it should cost less than $5+ a junk CDROM drive for everything you need:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1468170/onkyo-receiver-modification-thread
Edited by rworne - 4/26/13 at 11:36pm
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