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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post

Redmere is from Monoprice. It's their really slim HDMI model. They don't claim it to be better in picture quality but its much easier to fish over long distances because its so much more flexible. It is different in that it HAS to be ran in one direction only. But I agree, a cable is a cable. That "scary" company sure is making a lot of money telling people otherwise.

Well, they make money because people believe (and hear) what they want to. I was auditioning new speakers this weekend and at one shop I saw a guy eagerly plunking down $1000 for a set of speaker cables to go with his Totem Hawk speakers.
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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post

Redmere is from Monoprice. It's their really slim HDMI model. They don't claim it to be better in picture quality but its much easier to fish over long distances because its so much more flexible. It is different in that it HAS to be ran in one direction only. But I agree, a cable is a cable. That "scary" company sure is making a lot of money telling people otherwise.

Well, they make money because people believe (and hear) what they want to. I was auditioning new speakers this weekend and at one shop I saw a guy eagerly plunking down $1000 for a set of speaker cables to go with his Totem Hawk speakers.

Tell me your joking! I've been in retail for 30yrs. I couldn't live with myself if I did that to someone. The other problem is some of the sales people believe it too. But everyone in retail knows the real profit is made on accessories. When cell phones first went main stream in the early 90's my boss paid $8 for the leather cases and sold them $39.99. I refused. I couldn't take advantage of my friends like that. He even offered me $5 for ea sold as a bonus. Still said "no way!" I watch the owner of "scary" on tv touting how his products are better because of gold plating here or there. What a joke! At least people that come here and do even a tiny bit of research get the real facts. Thank goodness for AVS and a few other sites out there.
post #6813 of 9458
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I'm sorry, what?
That was a tongue-in-cheek in reference to Roman, spouting the same BS in every post...you must have skipped the last few pages?
post #6814 of 9458
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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post

Tell me your joking! I've been in retail for 30yrs. I couldn't live with myself if I did that to someone. The other problem is some of the sales people believe it too. But everyone in retail knows the real profit is made on accessories. When cell phones first went main stream in the early 90's my boss paid $8 for the leather cases and sold them $39.99. I refused. I couldn't take advantage of my friends like that. He even offered me $5 for ea sold as a bonus. Still said "no way!" I watch the owner of "scary" on tv touting how his products are better because of gold plating here or there. What a joke! At least people that come here and do even a tiny bit of research get the real facts. Thank goodness for AVS and a few other sites out there.

I won't see it's impossible for a cable to affect an analog signal, but typically what happens is that certain "esoteric" cables attenuate specific ranges of frequencies and "color" the sound a bit, which apparently some audiophiles find pleasing in some psycho-acoustic kind of way.

The last time some guy tried to aggressively get me to buy expensive speaker cables I asked him to open up the $10,000 KEF speakers in the showroom so that I could demonstrate to him that the mighty KEF almost definitely ran cheap 12 gauge lamp cord style cable between the drivers and crossovers. He let it go after that.
post #6815 of 9458
Onkyo TX-NR818 7.2-Channel Network A/V Receiver

IM torn as to buying the 818 or 717, amazon comparisson chart shows the only difference being "isf calibration" "rs232 port" and "Independent Block Construction". Are these features worth the additional $200 ?
post #6816 of 9458
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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post

Tell me your joking! I've been in retail for 30yrs. I couldn't live with myself if I did that to someone. The other problem is some of the sales people believe it too. But everyone in retail knows the real profit is made on accessories. When cell phones first went main stream in the early 90's my boss paid $8 for the leather cases and sold them $39.99. I refused. I couldn't take advantage of my friends like that. He even offered me $5 for ea sold as a bonus. Still said "no way!" I watch the owner of "scary" on tv touting how his products are better because of gold plating here or there. What a joke! At least people that come here and do even a tiny bit of research get the real facts. Thank goodness for AVS and a few other sites out there.

I won't see it's impossible for a cable to affect an analog signal, but typically what happens is that certain "esoteric" cables attenuate specific ranges of frequencies and "color" the sound a bit, which apparently some audiophiles find pleasing in some psycho-acoustic kind of way.

The last time some guy tried to aggressively get me to buy expensive speaker cables I asked him to open up the $10,000 KEF speakers in the showroom so that I could demonstrate to him that the mighty KEF almost definitely ran cheap 12 gauge lamp cord style cable between the drivers and crossovers. He let it go after that.

Awesome way to put him in his place. Love it!
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There seens to be too much treble in the sound image with this receiver. Audessey seems to make it worse - or maybe audessey is whats causing it. Re-EQ makes it a little better but not enough it seems. Any1 have any suggestions or have experienced this as well?
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Originally Posted by kevin g. View Post

That was a tongue-in-cheek in reference to Roman, spouting the same BS in every post...you must have skipped the last few pages?

NM...I've seen all his crap. I wrote about spending time dialing mine in and thought it was a reference to me. My bad! Carry on...carry on.
post #6819 of 9458
Hope one of the illustrious members of this thread are able to share where the 818 can be had for a discount (brand new). Sadly Amazon has been back at 799 lately frown.gif

Really want this receiver!
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Originally Posted by TorontoR View Post

Hope one of the illustrious members of this thread are able to share where the 818 can be had for a discount (brand new). Sadly Amazon has been back at 799 lately frown.gif

Really want this receiver!

Follow this AVS Forum as well. It's the great found deals.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1418870/onkyo-tx-nr818-949-88/450#post_23266200
post #6821 of 9458
OneCall is at $699.99. The beat right now.
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Originally Posted by LeahOlin View Post

IM torn as to buying the 818 or 717, amazon comparisson chart shows the only difference being "isf calibration" "rs232 port" and "Independent Block Construction". Are these features worth the additional $200 ?

I think Audyssey MultEQ XT32 in the 818 would be worth mentioning in a comparison chart...
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Originally Posted by LeahOlin View Post

Onkyo TX-NR818 7.2-Channel Network A/V Receiver

IM torn as to buying the 818 or 717, amazon comparisson chart shows the only difference being "isf calibration" "rs232 port" and "Independent Block Construction". Are these features worth the additional $200 ?
As above, the 818 has the better calibration (XT32) but it's also $200 more.
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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post

OneCall is at $699.99. The beat right now.

Thanks, but when I search there site, it comes up as 799, the 699 is for an open box
Edited by TorontoR - 5/6/13 at 11:42am
post #6825 of 9458
I believe several people have bought open box from them only to get a new sealed one. The belief is they say open box so they can sell/advertise for less than the price Onkyo stipulates for a new one.
post #6826 of 9458
That is correct. I purchased open box and got a new one. Just call and verify that it is indeed new. If they say no, don't buy.
post #6827 of 9458
Some one on the classified ads selling his 818 shipped for 600. Hard to beat that price.
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Originally Posted by budtz View Post

There seens to be too much treble in the sound image with this receiver. Audessey seems to make it worse - or maybe audessey is whats causing it. Re-EQ makes it a little better but not enough it seems. Any1 have any suggestions or have experienced this as well?

I found the same when using Audyessy it would boost the treble range, I think because my front speakers roll off a bit above 17khz. I ended up just setting crossover and distances manually with a bit of manual EQ. I also use the THX cinema mode quite a bit which seems to roll of the top end somewhat on Dolby D material, try using that.
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

Some one on the classified ads selling his 818 shipped for 600. Hard to beat that price.

It's being sold by the guy who didn't want to put any real time into calibrating it. Should be a good receiver and looks like a great deal.
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

Some one on the classified ads selling his 818 shipped for 600. Hard to beat that price.

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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post

It's being sold by the guy who didn't want to put any real time into calibrating it. Should be a good receiver and looks like a great deal.

True...could be a good deal. 2 facts though....no pictures because no charger for his camera....and also mentioned he had a buyer before....and now he doesn't. eek.gif
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Originally Posted by eah9 View Post


True...could be a good deal. 2 facts though....no pictures because no charger for his camera....and also mentioned he had a buyer before....and now he doesn't. eek.gif

That's what I was thinking. I'd be weary of doing business with him personally. Just seems like inviting trouble.
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

Some one on the classified ads selling his 818 shipped for 600. Hard to beat that price.

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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post

It's being sold by the guy who didn't want to put any real time into calibrating it. Should be a good receiver and looks like a great deal.

True...could be a good deal. 2 facts though....no pictures because no charger for his camera....and also mentioned he had a buyer before....and now he doesn't. eek.gif

I agree. Plus he could have had 30 days to try to fine tune it and didn't. If he doesn't sell it fast he'll get stuck with it. Prices are coming down.
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I'm suppose to buy that to him. I'm the one he said he had a buyer but I just found a good deal for my center channelspeaker that very hard to pass on. I wish I have lot of spare money so that I can buy bought off them. It's a good deal for 600 shipped 2days old.
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Originally Posted by budtz View Post

There seens to be too much treble in the sound image with this receiver. Audessey seems to make it worse - or maybe audessey is whats causing it. Re-EQ makes it a little better but not enough it seems. Any1 have any suggestions or have experienced this as well?

Here's a post I made a month or so ago with a solution that worked for me.
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I had the high frequency boost until I changed the mic position from the recommended ear height (which put it just barely above the chair back) to a couple of inches higher so that there were no reflections from the two heavily stuffed La-Z-Boy chairs in the middle of the room.

It also gave me more balanced speaker level settings. Before, it always set the right speakers, 7.1 wide's, 1 1/2-2 dB higher than the left, which was puzzling as the room is identical on all side/front/back walls with no other furniture other than the 2 chairs. Now, all my speakers are at the same level and the sound is perfectly balanced with no harshness at all and the clearest, tightest bass that I've ever had from Audyssey, MultEQ in the 707, and now XT32.

I was obsessed with trying all sorts of remedies, speaker height, toe-in/out, etc. and would run the calibration daily with no improvement...until, just raising the mic solved all my problems and I haven't messed with it in over a month.

I also haven't touched the mic since then.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412714/onkyo-tx-nr818-official-owners-thread-discussion/5940#post_23144383
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

I'm suppose to buy that to him. I'm the one he said he had a buyer but I just found a good deal for my center channelspeaker that very hard to pass on. I wish I have lot of spare money so that I can buy bought off them. It's a good deal for 600 shipped 2days old.

caloyzki, thanks for the shout out! biggrin.gif

I was in negotiations between two buyers but the deal fell through and now I realize I was lowballing the price big time. $600 shipped is more reasonable because shipping is going to be expensive.

The receiver has been safely packed and it's ready to go. I also sell on eBay and have 100% feedback and maybe I can sell through through there.

I know I'm not too popular for my posts on the Onkyo 818 on here but I am a legitimate seller and everything will arrive in perfect condition and with a tracking number. I may as well put this thing up on eBay.

As for my love for the Sony receiver I just made an account over at Agoraquest where people will appreciate my love for the Sony receiver!
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post

caloyzki, thanks for the shout out! biggrin.gif

I was in negotiations between two buyers but the deal fell through and now I realize I was lowballing the price big time. $600 shipped is more reasonable because shipping is going to be expensive.

The receiver has been safely packed and it's ready to go. I also sell on eBay and have 100% feedback and maybe I can sell through through there.

I know I'm not too popular for my posts on the Onkyo 818 on here but I am a legitimate seller and everything will arrive in perfect condition and with a tracking number. I may as well put this thing up on eBay.

As for my love for the Sony receiver I just made an account over at Agoraquest where people will appreciate my love for the Sony receiver!
No problem sir.i know a lot of people will be interested on that. The price Itself is hard to beat. I wish I can buy that for you but I told you already due on budget problem I can't buy it. But thank you so much for the very nice offer you gave me. Take care and Goodluck.
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post

As for my love for the Sony receiver I just made an account over at Agoraquest where people will appreciate my love for the Sony receiver!

And his first post was...

Sony STR-DA80ES Receiver is Awesome!

Hi, first time poster here. I just wanted to say that I'm a big fan of the Sony STR-DA80ES manufactured in 1997. I was given this receiver from a relative who vouched for its awesome sound but I decided that I wanted something modern with HDMI inputs so I bought an Onkyo 818 to power my two Bowers & Wilkins 685 speakers. Whatever my relative and I tried we just couldn't get the Onkyo 818 to sound anywhere near as good as the Sony STR-DA80ES. He told me this is due to the Sony receiver having a more powerful amplifier than the Onkyo 818. The Sony also runs a lot cooler than the newer Onkyo which gets rather warm quickly. Does anyone else use older receivers in their primary setup?

I was also looking to either get another Sony STR-DA80ES (1997) or go with one of the following:

Sony STR-DA50ES (1998)
Sony STR-DB930 (1999)
Sony STR-DA777ES (2000) (By far the most expensive on eBay. Probably $400 shipped).
Sony STR-DA5ES (2001)

Here's an interesting article that brings up the argument that newer isn't always better. Be sure to read the comments section from people who also have had positive experiences with older receivers:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-20082026-47/how-can-30-year-old-receivers-sound-better-than-new-ones/

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Good luck with your new forum buddy!
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Originally Posted by RomanBlade86 View Post

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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

I'm suppose to buy that to him. I'm the one he said he had a buyer but I just found a good deal for my center channelspeaker that very hard to pass on. I wish I have lot of spare money so that I can buy bought off them. It's a good deal for 600 shipped 2days old.

caloyzki, thanks for the shout out! biggrin.gif

I was in negotiations between two buyers but the deal fell through and now I realize I was lowballing the price big time. $600 shipped is more reasonable because shipping is going to be expensive.

The receiver has been safely packed and it's ready to go. I also sell on eBay and have 100% feedback and maybe I can sell through through there.

I know I'm not too popular for my posts on the Onkyo 818 on here but I am a legitimate seller and everything will arrive in perfect condition and with a tracking number. I may as well put this thing up on eBay.

As for my love for the Sony receiver I just made an account over at Agoraquest where people will appreciate my love for the Sony receiver!

I'm fairly certain that on the vast AVS forums you would've found some fellow Sony lovers. Didn't need to leave the site altogether. If you don't mind me asking what's the price difference between paying freight to sell it and paying all fees to return it? Just curious. If I were you I'd keep a close eye on the 818 prices. Especially open box because that's essentially what your selling. And most people will pay a private seller less than a business because of possible warranty issues, service after the sale, etc.
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I am looking for a receiver that can handle a simple 5.1 main zone setup with 20 other speakers that are wired in many other rooms/ patios throughout a customer's home. The 20 speakers are in pairs, each having their own volume control. The owner of the home would like to be able to play every single speaker at the same time. They use the 5.1 main room for A/V and audio alone and the rest is always audio alone.

They have one external amplifier that has the ability to power 4 zones (4 speakers each). I don't have the brand or specs of this external amp or the speakers; because they live 2 hours from me.

They have an Onkyo TX-NR818 AV receiver.

I noticed the amplifier allocation change when Zone 2 and/or Zone 3 are turned on the surround/rear speakers in their main room turn off. The surround rears go out for Zone 2 and surrounds go out for Zone 3. I have 16 of the other zone speakers running into the external amp coming from the Zone 2 and Zone 3 Line Outs on the Onkyo. Then I have 4 of the other zone speakers hooked into the 6th and 7th speaker terminals for the 7.1 main zone. This Jerry-rigged way works because these speakers are in the kitchen that is immediately behind the main room. They are not audiophiles, but they want all these speakers to work.

I thought that because I ran all of the Zone 2 and Zone 3 speakers from the Line Out to the external amplifier that all 7 internal amps would be dedicated to the 7.1 main zone.
How do I get the Onkyo to do this? I looked through the manual and found what you have already discussed (page 92 in the English manual) concerning amp allocation.
If I can't trick the Onkyo to keep the amps dedicated to the main zone, what receiver should I recommend to them to get this to work? Or do they need an external amp? If that is the best way to go, how can I rig that to work?
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post

I'm fairly certain that on the vast AVS forums you would've found some fellow Sony lovers. Didn't need to leave the site altogether. If you don't mind me asking what's the price difference between paying freight to sell it and paying all fees to return it? Just curious. If I were you I'd keep a close eye on the 818 prices. Especially open box because that's essentially what your selling. And most people will pay a private seller less than a business because of possible warranty issues, service after the sale, etc.

I'm not leaving this site but the Agroquest site is where I read through some topics and saw that other than the STR-DA80ES there were a few other older Sony receivers that interested me from the late 90s and early 2000s. I thought I'd join a forum that has an appreciation for these older Sony receivers.

I'm not sure exactly how much shipping will be because I plan on making a trip to the UPS store on Saturday to find out how much it will cost to ship. I'm guessing maybe close to $60? With Newegg I will have to pay for shipping label for $53 or so plus $82 or so for a restocking fee. Anyway, I already have one bid so I suppose it's as good as being sold.
Edited by RomanBlade86 - 5/7/13 at 11:37am
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