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post #6901 of 9555
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Originally Posted by cpetku View Post

searched the forum, but didn't see an answer...


had my 818 for two weeks and getting pretty pissed about WiFi connections. During week 1 the android app worked pretty good and the receiver would wake from network standby. This week, no joy. It seems like every time I put the 818 to sleep I end up unplugging it to force network to re-initialize. Won't wake from the android app. waking from the remote it claims to eventually connect via WiFi, but Pandora disagrees.

does anyone have similar experience and if so is there a fix? While I like the 818, this has me thinking it should go back. I cant see owning a device that pisses me off for 10 minutes each day before it does what its supposed to..

Sounds like you do not have Network Standby enabled. It's under the network settings. If it is off, you will find that the receiver works just fine with remote apps while it is on. Turn it off and the network connection goes dead until about 30 seconds after you turn it on again by the button or IR remote.

Note: Onkyo defaults this setting to Off, so if you never enabled it or if you did a reset on your receiver, it's off.

On the odd chance it is not the Network Standby, if you are using the Onkyo WiFi dongle, you may want to consider a wired connection. If that is impossible, try the TP-Link 722N. The TP Link is a much more sensitive WiFi receiver and is compatible with the 818 - at half the price of the Onkyo USB WiFi dongle.
post #6902 of 9555
I'll have to try a different dongle. In network standby the dongle or receiver stops responding on the network when switched off for several hours. if I just power off and back on with the remote app everything works fine. I'm starting to think week 1 had standby off and I just waited the 30 seconds after which everything was fine.
post #6903 of 9555
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Originally Posted by EaglePC View Post

anyone like to post there liking settings

10' x 17' room

speaker measurements

Front L: 11.0ft
Front R: 11.0ft
Center 11.5ft
Surround L 6.5ft
Surround R 6.5ft
Surround Back L 6.0ft
Surround Back R 6.0ft
Subwoofer: 19.5ft

crossovers

FRONTS: @ 100hz
CENTER: @ 150hz
SURROUND @100hz
SURROUND BACKS @ 100hz
Sub @ 120hz.

Channel levels

Front L: -4.5.0db
Front R: -4.0.0db
Center -4.0db
Surround L -9.5db
Surround R -7.5db
Surround Back L -6.5db
Surround Back R -8.5db
Subwoofer +0.5db


volume measurement Reference
Listening levels -15db to -5db movies / -30 to -22db TV
Audyssey ON
Dynamic EQ ON
Dynamic volume LIGHT
re EQ OFF
Video ISF Night for night dark viewing room & ISF Daylight when its daytime viewing
Intellivolume +6

Everyones room and acoustics are gonna be completely different most times.My crossovers are all around 60-70 hz.And at those volume levels with Dynamic Volume-light it would be pretty friggin loud for tv.Im at medium dynamic volume and -40-35 is loud enough for me.Movies ,I dont use dynamic volume but usually like to listen around -12 to -24..again plenty loud enough with excellent crisp details.My room is 16x40..and i pretty much use streaming or custom for video settings..
post #6904 of 9555
Thread Starter 
Question for the XT32 experts that are still monitoring this thread.

I recently purchased some new PSB Imagine speakers (which sound awesome) and they are still breaking in. Is there any reason to re-run the full XT32 calibration in a few weeks after the speakers are broken in?
post #6905 of 9555
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Question for the XT32 experts that are still monitoring this thread.

I recently purchased some new PSB Imagine speakers (which sound awesome) and they are still breaking in. Is there any reason to re-run the full XT32 calibration in a few weeks after the speakers are broken in?
I would, nothing to lose.
post #6906 of 9555
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Originally Posted by EaglePC View Post

anyone like to post there liking settings

10' x 17' room

speaker measurements

Front L: 11.0ft
Front R: 11.0ft
Center 11.5ft
Surround L 6.5ft
Surround R 6.5ft
Surround Back L 6.0ft
Surround Back R 6.0ft
Subwoofer: 19.5ft

crossovers

FRONTS: @ 100hz
CENTER: @ 150hz
SURROUND @100hz
SURROUND BACKS @ 100hz
Sub @ 120hz.

Channel levels

Front L: -4.5.0db
Front R: -4.0.0db
Center -4.0db
Surround L -9.5db
Surround R -7.5db
Surround Back L -6.5db
Surround Back R -8.5db
Subwoofer +0.5db


volume measurement Reference
Listening levels -15db to -5db movies / -30 to -22db TV
Audyssey ON
Dynamic EQ ON
Dynamic volume LIGHT
re EQ OFF
Video ISF Night for night dark viewing room & ISF Daylight when its daytime viewing
Intellivolume +6

My room is similar size, 10.5 x 18.5 feet.

I notice all your channel levels are in the negative. Audyssey sets my speaker trims to +5, +6 and such, which is pretty high, even when I use external amps. If you don't mind me asking, what is the sensitivity of your speakers? I use 4 ohm speakers rated at 87 db sensitivity.
post #6907 of 9555
Got a question. A buddy of mine bought a house. It has two ceiling speakers in the LR and two on the porch. All he wants to listen to is music and the same music at both locations. My dilemma is this, IF he buys a 5.1 receiver can he hook up two speakers to L&R front and two to surround and hear the same thing? He is very low tech and doesn't want to spend much money at all. Just wants to listen to his iPod. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys!
post #6908 of 9555
pres2play there klipsch speakers 8ohm +3db hope my mic isn't bouncing from the walls to make my speakers go in - wonder why this is happening I setup audyssey mic on boom around my lazy boy

http://www.avsforum.com/g/a/2219537/my-theatre/
post #6909 of 9555
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post

Got a question. A buddy of mine bought a house. It has two ceiling speakers in the LR and two on the porch. All he wants to listen to is music and the same music at both locations. My dilemma is this, IF he buys a 5.1 receiver can he hook up two speakers to L&R front and two to surround and hear the same thing? He is very low tech and doesn't want to spend much money at all. Just wants to listen to his iPod. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys!

You should probably start a thread with this question instead of asking this in the owner's thread for an AVR product like the 818.
post #6910 of 9555
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post

Got a question. A buddy of mine bought a house. It has two ceiling speakers in the LR and two on the porch. All he wants to listen to is music and the same music at both locations. My dilemma is this, IF he buys a 5.1 receiver can he hook up two speakers to L&R front and two to surround and hear the same thing? He is very low tech and doesn't want to spend much money at all. Just wants to listen to his iPod. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys!

You should probably start a thread with this question instead of asking this in the owner's thread for an AVR product like the 818.

I agree. Wasn't trying to hijack the thread but have always gotten good advice from those in this thread. I will start new thread. Apologies.
post #6911 of 9555
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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post

Got a question. A buddy of mine bought a house. It has two ceiling speakers in the LR and two on the porch. All he wants to listen to is music and the same music at both locations. My dilemma is this, IF he buys a 5.1 receiver can he hook up two speakers to L&R front and two to surround and hear the same thing? He is very low tech and doesn't want to spend much money at all. Just wants to listen to his iPod. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys!

The 818 is overkill for this, but several things come to mind. One is the TX-8050: This will play the same music in two zones and even two different sources in two zones. Any two zone receiver should work, but Onkyo at least has excellent control of Zone 2 without having to be near the TV all the time.

Another totally different solution would be Sonos - Two of the connect:AMP units will do the job too, but it is $$$. The 8050 is by far a cheap solution that will do the job nicely.
post #6912 of 9555
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Originally Posted by cpetku View Post

I'll have to try a different dongle. In network standby the dongle or receiver stops responding on the network when switched off for several hours. if I just power off and back on with the remote app everything works fine. I'm starting to think week 1 had standby off and I just waited the 30 seconds after which everything was fine.


Two things have helped and a 722 is on the way...


1) relocated the onkyo dongle using a USB base with extension cord. A little more reliable but drops out and does not seem to reconnect.

2) changed the fw in my router to dd-wrt. the onkyo dongle now reconnects reliably (still occasionally drops but comes back).


hopefully the 722 is the last piece of the puzzle. it was nice to press the power button on my tablet and have streaming audio up in under 10 seconds (it had to reconnect to the remote service)
post #6913 of 9555
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Originally Posted by cpetku View Post

Two things have helped and a 722 is on the way...


1) relocated the onkyo dongle using a USB base with extension cord. A little more reliable but drops out and does not seem to reconnect.

2) changed the fw in my router to dd-wrt. the onkyo dongle now reconnects reliably (still occasionally drops but comes back).


hopefully the 722 is the last piece of the puzzle. it was nice to press the power button on my tablet and have streaming audio up in under 10 seconds (it had to reconnect to the remote service)
I have the 722, works fantastic. The only issue is that sometimes the AV forgets it at startup so I need to re-enter wifi passcode.
post #6914 of 9555
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Question for the XT32 experts that are still monitoring this thread.

I recently purchased some new PSB Imagine speakers (which sound awesome) and they are still breaking in. Is there any reason to re-run the full XT32 calibration in a few weeks after the speakers are broken in?

Absolutely. You've changed a big part of your system and the filters, levels and c/o-ers that were set for your old speakers are most likely, very different than your new ones.

Enjoy your new setup.
post #6915 of 9555
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

Absolutely. You've changed a big part of your system and the filters, levels and c/o-ers that were set for your old speakers are most likely, very different than your new ones.

Enjoy your new setup.
I've already done a complete new XT32 calibration with the new speakers. The question was should I re-do it again after speaker break-in completes in a few months.
post #6916 of 9555
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Question for the XT32 experts that are still monitoring this thread.



I recently purchased some new PSB Imagine speakers (which sound awesome) and they are still breaking in. Is there any reason to re-run the full XT32 calibration in a few weeks after the speakers are broken in?


I have PSB T6's. Very nice. I am using an Emotiva 5 channel amp and the 818 as a processor. Very happy camper. I really am happy with the XT32 results.
post #6917 of 9555
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

Absolutely. You've changed a big part of your system and the filters, levels and c/o-ers that were set for your old speakers are most likely, very different than your new ones.

Enjoy your new setup.
I've already done a complete new XT32 calibration with the new speakers. The question was should I re-do it again after speaker break-in completes in a few months.

 

Speaker 'break-in' is more myth than fact, so you don't really need to re-do the calibration. But, if it makes you feel more comfortable, it won't do any harm to do it again. If you are happy with the Audyssey result you have now, try to be consistent on the re-run with the mic positions etc that you used for the current calibration.

post #6918 of 9555
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Question for the XT32 experts that are still monitoring this thread.

I recently purchased some new PSB Imagine speakers (which sound awesome) and they are still breaking in. Is there any reason to re-run the full XT32 calibration in a few weeks after the speakers are broken in?

Absolutely. You've changed a big part of your system and the filters, levels and c/o-ers that were set for your old speakers are most likely, very different than your new ones.

Enjoy your new setup.

 

I think he meant that he has already run Audyssey with the new speakers, and the question was should he run it again after the speakers have 'broken in'. At least, that was the question I answered :)

 

If he means what you took it to mean, absolutely - it is vital to run Audyssey after any major system or room change and new speakers would certainly come into that category.

post #6919 of 9555
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Speaker 'break-in' is more myth than fact, so you don't really need to re-do the calibration. But, if it makes you feel more comfortable, it won't do any harm to do it again. If you are happy with the Audyssey result you have now, try to be consistent on the re-run with the mic positions etc that you used for the current calibration.

I got it now. I didn't realize he was talking about after break-in.

Speaking of break-in, here is what Paul Barton had to say about that back in 2000;

"Finally, and perhaps most controversially, Barton talks about the supposed break-in effect of components that has become so popular in audio today. Break-in refers to running components for a long time (sometimes hundreds of hours) to the point where their components "settle" into their proper operating mode. Barton doesn’t doubt that some components do change subtly, but he thinks that the major improvements people think they’re hearing aren’t in the components at all. Barton doesn’t doubt that people are hearing these changes, but thinks that what they’re hearing is actually brain break-in"

More at the very end of the article.

http://www.soundstagelive.com/factorytours/psbnrc/
post #6920 of 9555
For those still on the fence, here's a thread about the new 828 and why you should run to get any remaining 818 units still available;

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1472808/onkyo-2013-mid-range-nr-828-is-here
post #6921 of 9555
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Speaker 'break-in' is more myth than fact, so you don't really need to re-do the calibration. But, if it makes you feel more comfortable, it won't do any harm to do it again. If you are happy with the Audyssey result you have now, try to be consistent on the re-run with the mic positions etc that you used for the current calibration.

I got it now. I didn't realize he was talking about after break-in.

Speaking of break-in, here is what Paul Barton had to say about that back in 2000;

"Finally, and perhaps most controversially, Barton talks about the supposed break-in effect of components that has become so popular in audio today. Break-in refers to running components for a long time (sometimes hundreds of hours) to the point where their components "settle" into their proper operating mode. Barton doesn’t doubt that some components do change subtly, but he thinks that the major improvements people think they’re hearing aren’t in the components at all. Barton doesn’t doubt that people are hearing these changes, but thinks that what they’re hearing is actually brain break-in"

More at the very end of the article.

http://www.soundstagelive.com/factorytours/psbnrc/

 

Couldn’t agree more. If it were true that speakers sounded different after a few weeks or months to how they sound from the get go, there wouldn't be much point in auditioning them would there?  With speakers, it seems a fairly harmless myth though. Where it is insidious is in the world of 'magic cables' where the manufacturers often suggest that the cables need a period of 'break-in' - which is usually longer than the return window. Call me cynical, but that strikes me as a ploy to prevent returns when people install such cables and, of course, hear no actual, real difference to their old cables (assuming their old cables were decent makes, such as Monoprice or Blue Jeans etc). "Oh well, you won't hear any difference for XX days - they need to 'break in of course". The very idea of a cable 'breaking in" beggars belief.

post #6922 of 9555
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

I got it now. I didn't realize he was talking about after break-in.

Speaking of break-in, here is what Paul Barton had to say about that back in 2000;

"Finally, and perhaps most controversially, Barton talks about the supposed break-in effect of components that has become so popular in audio today. Break-in refers to running components for a long time (sometimes hundreds of hours) to the point where their components "settle" into their proper operating mode. Barton doesn’t doubt that some components do change subtly, but he thinks that the major improvements people think they’re hearing aren’t in the components at all. Barton doesn’t doubt that people are hearing these changes, but thinks that what they’re hearing is actually brain break-in"

More at the very end of the article.

http://www.soundstagelive.com/factorytours/psbnrc/

Interesting. The dealer actually told me to break them in, that "the manufacturer recommends it". I know some manufacturers (ML for example) actually do recommend this and put it in the literature.

Paul Barton knows what he's talking about, I won't worry about break in.
post #6923 of 9555
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

I got it now. I didn't realize he was talking about after break-in.

Speaking of break-in, here is what Paul Barton had to say about that back in 2000;

"Finally, and perhaps most controversially, Barton talks about the supposed break-in effect of components that has become so popular in audio today. Break-in refers to running components for a long time (sometimes hundreds of hours) to the point where their components "settle" into their proper operating mode. Barton doesn’t doubt that some components do change subtly, but he thinks that the major improvements people think they’re hearing aren’t in the components at all. Barton doesn’t doubt that people are hearing these changes, but thinks that what they’re hearing is actually brain break-in"

More at the very end of the article.

http://www.soundstagelive.com/factorytours/psbnrc/

Interesting. The dealer actually told me to break them in, that "the manufacturer recommends it". I know some manufacturers (ML for example) actually do recommend this and put it in the literature.

Paul Barton knows what he's talking about, I won't worry about break in.

 

Yes, Totem Acoustics also recommends 'breaking in' their 'audiophile' speakers (I used to own some). It's marketing hogwash designed, presumably, to cater for the 'audiophile' brigade. AAMOI, Totem also say that if you connect your speaker wires to the usual two terminals (of the four they give you), you will get a different sound to if you connect them diagonally to either pair. They also sell some gizmos that you place on top of your speakers to 'improve the sound'. It's all pure BS - they make good speakers (albeit very overpriced) and they ought to be ashamed of themselves IMO. Bottom line: never trust an 'audiophile' brand to give it to you straight ;)  As for your average dealer, well...

post #6924 of 9555
Thread Starter 
As far as the dealer goes, I got 25% off MSRP (and got their Imagine C center on loan till the finish I ordered arrives), so their poor advice on break-in is forgiven! tongue.gif:p
post #6925 of 9555
It would be interesting to note, if you wait the allotted time for 'break-in", write down your current measurements, then re-measure, to see if anything has significantly changed....
post #6926 of 9555
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Originally Posted by kevin g. View Post

It would be interesting to note, if you wait the allotted time for 'break-in", write down your current measurements, then re-measure, to see if anything has significantly changed....

Good idea. I wish I would have done that. I don't know if it was my brain or not but there was a significant change in sound after 48 hours. Many others with the same speakers have witnessed it as well. I had no opinion about break-in and never even heard about it before. I played the same song before and after about 4 days of running medium level music and some pink noise. Tremendous difference. Not sure about the science of it but it does occur. Energy recommended 100 hours of break-in. Someone else on another thread had a new pair and an old pair and did an A/B and found a big difference in detail.

I don't want to start a debate on it or anything because I think that each speaker is different in this regard, but my point is that it really may be worth it for someone to check out the charts before and after.

Another idea is to buy 4 identical speakers and break 2 of them in and wait to do it on the others and then run an A/B test.

Again it may not make a difference on other speakers but I know first hand there was a difference in my towers - either my brain/ears changing.....or an actual sound difference.
post #6927 of 9555
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Originally Posted by fumoffu View Post

Just got the 818 as an upgrade from the 705 last week. It's taking a while to get everything dialed in. Getting the a/v sync manually settup to 50ms was a pain, and I am not confident it wont change again, but it was OK last night.

My problem is the lag or black screen when the source video changes resolution. It appears it takes the 818 about 6 seconds to display video when the resolution changes. Presumable it's trying to lock on to the signal to there is feature negotiation going on or something. I'd like to use the Oppo's video processing so I want that input set to direct while for my cable through the Tivo I was hoping to get the 818 to do the conversion to 1080p. There are a lot of settings, and I have been trying to change more to manual as opposed to automatic, but with no success.

I am finding this unacceptable. This is occurring with my Tivo and Oppo 103. When I play a bluray I miss the first bit of a trailer or banner, some times other resolution changes as well. I can rewind and play it just fine. On the Tivo when I go to the top level Tivo menu it can trigger the lack of video, and that is incredibly annoying as 6 seconds is quite a while to wait for a menu to be displayed.

Thanks for the help and suggestions.

I have a Tivo and Oppo 103. I just installed an 818 several weeks ago.

I had horrible lip sync issues so I ran a cable from the 103 to the 818 for audio only and ran another cable from the Oppo direcly to my plasma. No more lip sync issues. My handshake only takes about 1 - 2 seconds before lock-on.

The primary reason for running the video direcly to the display is to avoid the video prossessing in the 818. I want the Oppo to do that, so my Tivo is connected to the Oppo and then the video goes directly to the plasma.

Running the video directly to the display is recommended by Oppo to avoid extra video processing that may do more harm than good.

Also, many on this thread seem to think that it is impossible to turn off all of the video processing on the 818 no matter what setting are used. Based on my observations I tend to
agree.

I didn't buy the 818 for the video processing anyway. I bought it for XT32. I am very happy with the video processing in the 103, so everything gets routed through it.

Give it a try and see if it doesn't improve you handshake issue.

I replaced an Onkyo 3007 with the 818 and I am very pleased so far...especially for the price.
post #6928 of 9555
I work with a guy who has more money than brains. He is completely sold on this whole break in concept. He went on to tell me that cables break in and that capacitors "Seat" during break in periods. I LOL'd and walked away.

I am a guitarist and the 12" speakers in my cabinet actually do break in, the cones become more flexible and they sound better. If someone is arguing about speaker break in, I might be willing to listen to them, but talking about cables and capacitors? Really.

Something that has movement to it "Speaker cones" could sound better after a period of use, so mechanical things can break in. I imagine that guitar speakers move a heck of a lot more than a standard home theater speaker.
post #6929 of 9555
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Originally Posted by zoomzilla View Post

I work with a guy who has more money than brains. He is completely sold on this whole break in concept. He went on to tell me that cables break in and that capacitors "Seat" during break in periods. I LOL'd and walked away.

I am a guitarist and the 12" speakers in my cabinet actually do break in, the cones become more flexible and they sound better. If someone is arguing about speaker break in, I might be willing to listen to them, but talking about cables and capacitors? Really.

Something that has movement to it "Speaker cones" could sound better after a period of use, so mechanical things can break in. I imagine that guitar speakers move a heck of a lot more than a standard home theater speaker.

Agreed. I was talking solely about speakers in my post....I think Cable break-in doesn't make sense. Capacitors - No idea about how they would break-in...
post #6930 of 9555
Not a dig at you at all. I was just laughing about my idiot coworker and his lame brained idea about cable and capacitor break in. Ooh, I should sell him some stuff. I have a broken AVR that I could probably tell him it's in the "Zone" right now and refuses to turn on during this important time. Once it is ready to come out of the zone it will turn back on. And when it does turn on, it will be the most epic AVR in the world. Sad thing is, he would probably buy it.
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