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post #7081 of 9483
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

wow that is cool. what models are they?

Top to bottom:
CR-N755 (Left) UP-HD1 HD radio module, UP-A1 dock (right)
TX-NR626
TX-NR609
HT-RC180 (like a TX-NR807)
TX-NR818

Not shown:
DS-A5 dock,
DV-BD507
DS-A4 dock

I'm looking to add a TX-NRX05 model receiver, and one earlier model too. Also looking to add an Audyssey Pro capable model. I'm quite likely going to get rid of the 626 and buy a 1000, 3000, or 5000 series receiver if any of them are Pro capable. I base my purchases mostly on the capabilities of the receiver and the fact I cannot wait too long to get one once the new models come out.
post #7082 of 9483
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Originally Posted by fokakis1 View Post

I have a buyer for my 875 and I'm thinking of getting the 818. I have a few questions/concerns that maybe you guys could help me sort out.

First, my 875 remote is fully backlit. I have read that the 818 has a "part backlit" remote. Could someone describe what this means. This is rather important as I have a batcave, and would prefer to use the Onkyo remote over my Harmony 650. Could I replace the remote with a 3009 remote or something similar that is known to be backlit or would I lose key features?

It appears that the 3008 and 3009 have a fully backlit remote, but the 1009, 818, and 929 do not. I like the value that 818 offers. I appreciate any insight you guys could offer me.

Ok I can answer this question for you, on the NR818 remote pictured below only the following rows of buttons are backlit: the 3rd, 4th, 5th & 6th rows (in order from top to bottom) are backlit on the NR818 remote, although the volume button appears to be the same translucent type colour mine doesn't seem to illuminate.



Rows 3, 4, 5 are the "Input Selector" buttons and the row 6 is the "Remote Mode" selection buttons

Hope that helps smile.gif
Edited by pixil8 - 5/27/13 at 3:51pm
post #7083 of 9483
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

Here's a link from the excellent FAQ that might help;

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1/51750#user_d1

Thanks I ordered the cheaper one.
Allen
post #7084 of 9483
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Originally Posted by fokakis1 View Post

I have a buyer for my 875 and I'm thinking of getting the 818. I have a few questions/concerns that maybe you guys could help me sort out.

First, my 875 remote is fully backlit. I have read that the 818 has a "part backlit" remote. Could someone describe what this means. This is rather important as I have a batcave, and would prefer to use the Onkyo remote over my Harmony 650. Could I replace the remote with a 3009 remote or something similar that is known to be backlit or would I lose key features?

Second, I use the switched outlet on my 875 with a wall wart to trigger my Ethereal power conditioner which switches on my sub pro amp and cooling fanthe Zone 2/3 triggers on the 818 be set to turn on and off with the master power?[/SIwer? Does the rear USB power on and off with the master power? I need 3-30 volts, preferably from the receiver rather than having to toss a smart power strip in somewhere.

Last, will the 818 play WMA Lossless over wi-fi using the UWF-1 adapter?

It appears that the 3008 and 3009 have a fully backlit remote, but the 1009, 818, and 929 do not. I like the value that 818 offers. I appreciate any insight you guys could offer me.


I have been wandering this too, I gues with my remote I could program the zone 2 to turn on and off when I turn my system on. What does everybody else do if they need a trigger for the main zone?
Allen
post #7085 of 9483
I don't think you can do this. I didn't see the option while tring to program my remote.
Allen
post #7086 of 9483
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Originally Posted by rworne View Post

Top to bottom:
CR-N755 (Left) UP-HD1 HD radio module, UP-A1 dock (right)
TX-NR626
TX-NR609
HT-RC180 (like a TX-NR807)
TX-NR818

Not shown:
DS-A5 dock,
DV-BD507
DS-A4 dock

I'm looking to add a TX-NRX05 model receiver, and one earlier model too. Also looking to add an Audyssey Pro capable model. I'm quite likely going to get rid of the 626 and buy a 1000, 3000, or 5000 series receiver if any of them are Pro capable. I base my purchases mostly on the capabilities of the receiver and the fact I cannot wait too long to get one once the new models come out.
Any plans selling ur 818?
post #7087 of 9483
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

Any plans selling ur 818?


None. It's a good representative model for the 2012 series. That and the CR-N755 are my two favorites in that stack.

The 626 is too stripped down for what i want for a 2013. I just do not want to wait until late summer for the higher end models to come out. My tasks are time sensitive, and the earlier the better.
post #7088 of 9483
Ok. What's the next onkyo you planning to buy?
post #7089 of 9483
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

Ok. What's the next onkyo you planning to buy?

I think I mentioned it earlier. If any of the high-end models: 1020, 3020, 5020 (I'm guessing at the model numbers) have Audyssey Pro, that would be it. I might spring for an Integra to get that. I want Audyssey Pro because I have found the hidden protocol for it in the receiver and I need a unit to test - so the app can pull the calibration data from the receiver. These units will also likely have HDMI in multiple Zones (the 929 has this) and HD Radio.

The 818 was a bit of a disappointment because although the Audyssey in it was XT32, it was nerfed compared to the Pro models.
post #7090 of 9483
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Originally Posted by rworne View Post

I think I mentioned it earlier. If any of the high-end models: 1020, 3020, 5020 (I'm guessing at the model numbers) have Audyssey Pro, that would be it. I might spring for an Integra to get that. I want Audyssey Pro because I have found the hidden protocol for it in the receiver and I need a unit to test - so the app can pull the calibration data from the receiver. These units will also likely have HDMI in multiple Zones (the 929 has this) and HD Radio.

The 818 was a bit of a disappointment because although the Audyssey in it was XT32, it was nerfed compared to the Pro models.
I see. But do you think 818 is worth it for a refurb for 500?I don't know how they will sound hour movies.
post #7091 of 9483
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

I see. But do you think 818 is worth it for a refurb for 500?I don't know how they will sound hour movies.

Hi,

An 818 for just $500? You would be crazy not to jump on it at that price - that is a spectacular deal imho!

Bazzy!
post #7092 of 9483
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Originally Posted by Bazzy View Post

Hi,

An 818 for just $500? You would be crazy not to jump on it at that price - that is a spectacular deal imho!

Bazzy!
But it's refurbished though. frown.gif
post #7093 of 9483
What is the difference between factory reconditioned and refurbished if any? Could some of the factory recon just be blemished but otherwise new? Or are the all returns that have been checked out?
post #7094 of 9483
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

I see. But do you think 818 is worth it for a refurb for 500?I don't know how they will sound hour movies.

Don't let my comment on the "nerfed" Audyssey sway you. The 818 is a fantastic receiver, period. The stuff i am talking about very few people use, and those that do spend at least 3x more for an Integra.

Refurb vs. non-refurb, I think Onkyo's warranty is much longer on non-refurb units. Ah yes. New is two years, refurbs one year.
post #7095 of 9483
Where have I seen rworne's picture before? Was it on the ORemote website?
post #7096 of 9483
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post


Thx Patrick. Although I have read that with XT32 the 80hz crossover isn't needed anymore and you can use 40, 60 or 80 depending on what sound you like. Sure it's always good to let the subwoofer handle the low parts of a movie soundtrack but I'm not sure that needs to be everything below 80? The 818 have power so that shouldn't be a problem for the AVR to handle the stress right? Any more input on crossover guys, what are you using?
post #7097 of 9483
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Originally Posted by Yuma View Post

Where have I seen rworne's picture before? Was it on the ORemote website?

There's a similar one there, but this one was better shot. So the tower does not look like it is going to fall over.
post #7098 of 9483
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Originally Posted by wesslan1 View Post

Thx Patrick. Although I have read that with XT32 the 80hz crossover isn't needed anymore and you can use 40, 60 or 80 depending on what sound you like. Sure it's always good to let the subwoofer handle the low parts of a movie soundtrack but I'm not sure that needs to be everything below 80? The 818 have power so that shouldn't be a problem for the AVR to handle the stress right? Any more input on crossover guys, what are you using?

I have the 1010 and when I ran the auto set up it it lowered my crossovers on my speakers. I was telling my wife I wasn't so sure I like the new recevier to me it didn't sound as warm or as smooth. Watch some more movies still on the fence, I was thinking about sending it back. Then I remembered what Patrick said about the crosovers so I set all of mine back to 80 hz and mow I feel like I got some of the warth and smoothness back. I also played with thx and for now I am leaving that off. But the crossover back to 80 made a difference. My guess would be that when running audesse it uses the speaker boundery meaning I have 3 NHT M6 across the front it set the center at 60 hz and the L & R at 50hz meaning the same speaker was set at different crossovers, So I am guessing the placement of the speakers gave it a different reading on set up. My surrounds which are closerer to the side wall than the fronts they are NHT M5 a smaller speaker and it set them to 40 hz, so I set them all to 80hz I think it sounds better. Like everything in this hobby YMMV.
Allen
post #7099 of 9483
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Originally Posted by wesslan1 View Post

Thx Patrick. Although I have read that with XT32 the 80hz crossover isn't needed anymore and you can use 40, 60 or 80 depending on what sound you like. Sure it's always good to let the subwoofer handle the low parts of a movie soundtrack but I'm not sure that needs to be everything below 80? The 818 have power so that shouldn't be a problem for the AVR to handle the stress right? Any more input on crossover guys, what are you using?

Absolutely correct. Here's what Chris K at 'Ask Audyssey' had to say about that.

https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries/20632041-XT32-Crossover-new-mic-results-

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Originally Posted by DekPM19 View Post

I have the 1010 and when I ran the auto set up it it lowered my crossovers on my speakers. I was telling my wife I wasn't so sure I like the new recevier to me it didn't sound as warm or as smooth. Watch some more movies still on the fence, I was thinking about sending it back. Then I remembered what Patrick said about the crosovers so I set all of mine back to 80 hz and mow I feel like I got some of the warth and smoothness back. I also played with thx and for now I am leaving that off. But the crossover back to 80 made a difference. My guess would be that when running audesse it uses the speaker boundery meaning I have 3 NHT M6 across the front it set the center at 60 hz and the L & R at 50hz meaning the same speaker was set at different crossovers, So I am guessing the placement of the speakers gave it a different reading on set up. My surrounds which are closerer to the side wall than the fronts they are NHT M5 a smaller speaker and it set them to 40 hz, so I set them all to 80hz I think it sounds better. Like everything in this hobby YMMV.
Allen

I agree, I tried my 7.2 system with the crossovers where MultEQ found them, 40+50Hz, and although they sounded fine and not unpleasant, they seemed to lack something. After raising them to 80Hz all around, they sound fuller to me.
post #7100 of 9483
Also read that many have problems with the subwoofer dB calibration in the beginning. Many report that they have to turn the gain down to almost 1 for the 818 to register 75 dB and other microphones is registering other dB values . Some say it's something wrong with 818 and the microphone itself. Have the same problem myself with my SVS sub. Gain must be down around 1-2 for the AVR to get 75 dB when you usually can put it around 9-12. Audyssey say it is correct and the right thing to do is to leave it like that and then after turn up the level on the sub in the AVR if you think the bass sound is too low. If you do that Audyssey can keep correct levels. Maybe this is the reason I don't hear any bass anymore, the low 40hz crossover and a "low" measured 75 dB on the sub.

Anyone else with this problem?

I don't have another real SPL meter only iPhone5 to compare with but even if they would measure different things you can't use other dB values from another meter in the AVR since it will mess with the XT32 measurements right?
post #7101 of 9483
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Originally Posted by wesslan1 View Post

Also read that many have problems with the subwoofer dB calibration in the beginning. Many report that they have to turn the gain down to almost 1 for the 818 to register 75 dB and other microphones is registering other dB values . Some say it's something wrong with 818 and the microphone itself. Have the same problem myself with my SVS sub. Gain must be down around 1-2 for the AVR to get 75 dB when you usually can put it around 9-12. Audyssey say it is correct and the right thing to do is to leave it like that and then after turn up the level on the sub in the AVR if you think the bass sound is too low. If you do that Audyssey can keep correct levels. Maybe this is the reason I don't hear any bass anymore, the low 40hz crossover and a "low" measured 75 dB on the sub.

Anyone else with this problem?

I don't have another real SPL meter only iPhone5 to compare with but even if they would measure different things you can't use other dB values from another meter in the AVR since it will mess with the XT32 measurements right?

Yes Audessey and other experts state that the user should just leave the nob on the subwoofer alone (at 75db) and make additional adjustments on the receiver. However when I ran Audessey on my 818 receiver with 75db on the sub I lost a lot of power and depth to the base. There was a clear difference from what I was used to with my (pretty large and powerfull) svs subwoofer.
I then tried to run Audessey with the sub at 84db (I tuned the volume up on the subwoofer). The receiver then (as expected) adjusted the volume accordingly 9db lower. (So at 75db the receiver adjusts subwoofer output to around 0 and at 84db it adjusted it to around -9db). The bass then should sound the same but it did not. It sounded much better when running the subwoofer at 84dbs.

I was thinking that a setting of 75db is so low so that the subwoofer doesn’t output proper bass - or maybe my subwoofers Audessey-test-sounds are to low for the mic when set at 75db.

At any rate, it was a much better solution for me to turn up the sub and then have the receiver dampen the volume to the correct level.

I am puzzled however that this would make any difference though – bass should sound the same regardless.

Any1 have any thoughts on this?
post #7102 of 9483
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Originally Posted by wesslan1 View Post

Thx Patrick. Although I have read that with XT32 the 80hz crossover isn't needed anymore and you can use 40, 60 or 80 depending on what sound you like. Sure it's always good to let the subwoofer handle the low parts of a movie soundtrack but I'm not sure that needs to be everything below 80? The 818 have power so that shouldn't be a problem for the AVR to handle the stress right? Any more input on crossover guys, what are you using?

In my experience - having a powerful sub (running at Audessey-measured listening levels) and having that placed in a corner in a somewhat hard room – the optimal crossover is about 60hz. If I set it to 80hz, to much of the voices and other stuff gets to the sub making audio and voices boomey. It could also I guess be because of the dynamic volume setting boosting bass and thus if I disabled that, a setting of 80hz would sound fine. 40hz would be to low I would think – whatever the configuration. Well maybe if u had super awesome front-speakers and a crappy sub but assuming sub and speaker price-range is about the same - 40 would be to low I would think.

But by far the most commenly recomended startingpoint by Audessey ect. is a setting of 80hz and not my special setting of 60hz.
Edited by budtz - 5/28/13 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by budtz View Post

In my experience - having a powerful sub (running at Audessey-measured listening levels) and having that placed in a corner in a somewhat hard room – the optimal crossover is about 60hz. If I set it to 80hz, to much of the voices and other stuff gets to the sub making audio and voices boomey. It could also I guess be because of the dynamic volume setting boosting bass and thus if I disabled that, a setting of 80hz would sound fine. 40hz would be to low I would think – whatever the configuration. Well maybe if u had super awesome front-speakers and a crappy sub but assuming sub and speaker price-range is about the same - 40 would be to low I would think.

But by far the most commenly recomended startingpoint by Audessey ect. is a setting of 80hz and not my special setting of 60hz.

I do not own a SVS sub but their website suggested 100hz for the sub with my speakers and their sub. I don't know about other brands.
post #7104 of 9483
@rworne (quotes don't seem to be working for me)

I bought the app a couple of days ago and I am anxious to try it out with the 818 that is due to arrive tomorrow. I was disapointed to see that the official Onkyo app does not support the iPad or the iPhone 5 resolutions. If you are taking suggestions it would be pretty neat to be able to have custom wallpapers similar to the official Yamaha app. Regardless thanks for bringing an app that fits natively on my iPad.
post #7105 of 9483
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Originally Posted by rworne View Post

No, though the fact that it is part of a stack of 5 Onkyo receivers is.

LOL. I'm jealous! Actually, if I stacked all of mine, it would look the same. However, my models go waaayyyy back whereas yours are current. I still have my TX-SV717PRO! Still functioning perfectly.

Are all of these used for development of your app? BTW, when are you going to show Android some love? cool.gif
post #7106 of 9483
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Originally Posted by wesslan1 View Post

Thx Patrick. Although I have read that with XT32 the 80hz crossover isn't needed anymore and you can use 40, 60 or 80 depending on what sound you like. Sure it's always good to let the subwoofer handle the low parts of a movie soundtrack but I'm not sure that needs to be everything below 80? The 818 have power so that shouldn't be a problem for the AVR to handle the stress right? Any more input on crossover guys, what are you using?

In my experience - having a powerful sub (running at Audessey-measured listening levels) and having that placed in a corner in a somewhat hard room – the optimal crossover is about 60hz. If I set it to 80hz, to much of the voices and other stuff gets to the sub making audio and voices boomey. It could also I guess be because of the dynamic volume setting boosting bass and thus if I disabled that, a setting of 80hz would sound fine. 40hz would be to low I would think – whatever the configuration. Well maybe if u had super awesome front-speakers and a crappy sub but assuming sub and speaker price-range is about the same - 40 would be to low I would think.

But by far the most commenly recomended startingpoint by Audessey ect. is a setting of 80hz and not my special setting of 60hz.

 

You are hearing human voices at 80Hz?

post #7107 of 9483
Does the tx-nr818 have 3D pass through?
post #7108 of 9483
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Originally Posted by bonginator View Post

Does the tx-nr818 have 3D pass through?

Yes.
post #7109 of 9483
No 4k pass through on the 818 but it does do 4k up scaling, correct? (Trying yo compare to the 929 model...)
post #7110 of 9483
OK - I pulled the trigger on the Onkyo Memorial Day sale units and got an 818. Now the wait begins.... Will be pairing it with my Vienna Acoustics Bach Grands and am now narrowing down my choice for a sub. I am taking my time in picking components and devouring info on this forum. Lots of fun.
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