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post #7231 of 9474
+1, running a Crown XLS2000 on my mains and it sounds fantastic. Much more headroom they I realistically need with a 98+db sensitive speaker, but they work very well and remain very quiet.
post #7232 of 9474
Two questions about the 818 video setup.

First... When both Input/Output Assign -> Monitor Out -> Resolution is set to Auto and Source Setup -> Picture Adjust -> Resolution is set to Auto, is a source playing at 1080p/24 kept at 24 fps on the output or is it "upconverted" to 1080p?

Second... My cable box, an old Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD+, is outputting 1080i. This is by default upconverted to 1080p by the 818. However, I recently noticed a disturbing vertical jitter of the image (rapid and random up-and-down shift of a couple of pixels of the whole image). I'm not sure if the jitter was always present with the 818 or if it just magically appeared. I remember noticing the same thing with my previous AVR (Pioneer VSX-1020) and I dealt with the problem by setting the resolution to "through" for the cable box. If I remember correctly, that fixed the problem, unless it was just a coincidence. I tried doing the same with the 818 (first setting the Monitor Out Resolution to Source, and then setting the Source Resolution to Through for that source) but it didn't change anything.

However using the same technique I was able to set the Source Resolution to 480p for example, which I'm not supposed to be allowed (no downconversion is supposed to be possible). So I wonder if I correctly managed to set the 818 to not upconvert the cable box.

I can set the cable box to output 720p, and doing so eliminates the jitter. So barring any other solution, I guess I'll have to decide between jittery 1080i output or non-jittery 720p. But I guess if I chose 720p, HDTV shows will be converted from their native 1080i resolution to 720p by the cable box, which may not be ideal.

I also wonder if that kind of jitter on 1080i is normal / frequent, if it is actually due to upconversion, or if the HDMI output on the cable box is just crap. Any opinion on this? (All other sources are perfect on the system but they're all 720p or 1080p).
post #7233 of 9474
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Originally Posted by Bazzy View Post

Hi All,

I would like to add an additional power amp to make for 9.1/9.2. I am looking for something small, slim-line & unobtrusive as it is only for a couple of surrounds & therefore I do not want to spend too much. Another poster stated he had great success with the Emotiva Mini-X (which would be ideal size wise) but sadly these are not available in the UK.

I have also noticed that the 818 US & UK models have different power specs for some reason - US stated at 135 watts per channel at 8 Ohms but the UK model states 180 watts at 6 Ohms but with only one channel driven, TBH, this has me very confused as I cannot tell what the UK model "per channel" wattage is & my speakers are 8 Ohms - I do not know what sort of power an external amp should have to match that of a UK 818.

I was also looking at the Onkyo M-5010 & M-282 thinking there would be no matching issues since they are from the same brand but alas, these are not available in the UK either.

As a stop gap measure, I was wondering if something like a Rotel RB-980BX (50 Watts PC at 8 Ohms), RB970BX (2 x 60 Watts at 8 Ohms) or RB907BX (2 x 60 Watts at 8 Ohms) or similar would work well - I like them as they are somewhat low profile & would hopefully not look too out of place with the 818 and can be had used for a reasonable price. My concern is that these are quite old models (probably 1980's) & that technology might be too out of date compared with that of the 818 & cause potential issues?

I am not too clued up on these things so would be very grateful for some help & advice!

Bazzy!

I am using the UPA700 by Emotiva

Just got it a week ago for $350 it runs my heights and all 4 surrounds
Edited by NODES - 6/12/13 at 6:57pm
post #7234 of 9474
Is there a way to reflash the firmware? I noticed my ht setup sounded bright and thin after I updated firmware. It doesnt seem to reflash to the same firmware version. Please help
post #7235 of 9474
So seeing that the TX-NR828 is a downgrade (spec wise) from the 818, should I snatch up an 818 now that they are in their closeout sale prices ($799) or would you 818 owners recommend I look to Denon/Yamaha instead if you were wanting a new receiver today?
post #7236 of 9474
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Originally Posted by maytime View Post

So seeing that the TX-NR828 is a downgrade (spec wise) from the 818, should I snatch up an 818 now that they are in their closeout sale prices ($799) or would you 818 owners recommend I look to Denon/Yamaha instead if you were wanting a new receiver today?
The 828 is sure a downgrade, if you want a similar AV from Onkyo it would be the 929 which is much more expensive.
post #7237 of 9474
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Originally Posted by NODES View Post

I am using the UPA700 by Emotiva

Just got it a week ago for $350 it runs my heights and all 4 surrounds

Hi,

Fancy shipping it to me in England?biggrin.gif

Sadly Emotiva are not available here & once one adds the cost of shipping, customs levy, import tax, VAT & handling charges, the cost becomes very high & not worth it!

Anyone heading to England soon & fancies bringing one over for me?smile.gif

Bazzy!
post #7238 of 9474
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Originally Posted by haroldgutierrez View Post

Is there a way to reflash the firmware? I noticed my ht setup sounded bright and thin after I updated firmware. It doesnt seem to reflash to the same firmware version. Please help

Or it simply reverts to factory settings after update so you need to run Audyssey again?
post #7239 of 9474
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Originally Posted by maytime View Post

So seeing that the TX-NR828 is a downgrade (spec wise) from the 818, should I snatch up an 818 now that they are in their closeout sale prices ($799) or would you 818 owners recommend I look to Denon/Yamaha instead if you were wanting a new receiver today?

The Denon X4000 seems to have everything the 818 has, and addresses most of the 818's "faults", like gapless streaming, digital sources in zones 2/3, 12v triggers for main zone external amps, variable pre-outs for zones 2/3, etc. It also adds SubEQ, multiple independent HDMI outs, built in Airplay, HD Radio and more. I would certainly pay a bit more for the X4000 than the 818, but not near MSRP. At the 818's "street price", I don't see anything that competes, but for a few hundred more, the X4000 is pretty dang nice. And I think if you call some retailers, you will probably be able to find the 818 well below $799.
post #7240 of 9474
Latest firmware update by USB turned my unit into a brick! No power after update! Sent it in and waiting for return. Anyone else have a similar experience?
post #7241 of 9474
I just have a general policy for firmware updates....i.e. don't fix what ain't broke.....install only when needed and then only exactly as advised.
post #7242 of 9474
Hello All:

My Audyssey calibration is not playing nicely with my Zone 2. I have Zone 2 configured as recommended in the manual (p. 78), using the front wide and Zone 2 speaker connections. My Zone 2 is a two channel setup in the next room. With Zone 2 off on the receiver, I started running Audyssey. When the calibration comes around to the front wides, the chirps come from my Zone 2 speakers in the adjoining room. Even through a closed door, they are loud enough to cause an Audyssey error.

I have resorted to physically disconnecting my Zone 2 speakers from the back of the receiver in order to properly run Audyssey. But I have to ask: Will this be required every time I want to run Audyssey? Is there no way to defeat Zone 2 from running in an adjoining room when doing the Audyssey calibration in the main listening room?

Thank you very much for your advice.

Just Nick
post #7243 of 9474
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Originally Posted by Just Nick View Post

Hello All:

My Audyssey calibration is not playing nicely with my Zone 2. I have Zone 2 configured as recommended in the manual (p. 78), using the front wide and Zone 2 speaker connections. My Zone 2 is a two channel setup in the next room. With Zone 2 off on the receiver, I started running Audyssey. When the calibration comes around to the front wides, the chirps come from my Zone 2 speakers in the adjoining room. Even through a closed door, they are loud enough to cause an Audyssey error.

I have resorted to physically disconnecting my Zone 2 speakers from the back of the receiver in order to properly run Audyssey. But I have to ask: Will this be required every time I want to run Audyssey? Is there no way to defeat Zone 2 from running in an adjoining room when doing the Audyssey calibration in the main listening room?

Thank you very much for your advice.

Just Nick


Turn off the speakers in the speaker settings option to disable them.
post #7244 of 9474
I seem to remember reading (either in this thread or the Logitech forms) that discrete commands for Dynamic Volume (as in On, Off, Light, Medium, Heavy) for Onkyo AVRs are available on Harmony remotes. However, after entering my new 818 as a device into Harmony's software, no such commands were available. Can anyone confirm this?
Edited by geodon005 - 6/14/13 at 6:17am
post #7245 of 9474
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

I just have a general policy for firmware updates....i.e. don't fix what ain't broke.....install only when needed and then only exactly as advised.

There may be another reason for them, I need to check the 818 when I am back in town to see if the security holes were closed.
post #7246 of 9474
Currently, Onkyo receivers do not support "Gapless Playback" feature. However, Onkyo receivers will start supporting "Gapless Playback" from year 2014 onwards"
post #7247 of 9474
Not yet !!!! But I am in the process of trying to update the firmware as per this website

http://www.intl.onkyo.com/support/firmware/tx-nr818.html

I have followed the instructions as I see them, even watched videos on Youtube, how to copy the folder & files to USB

I find all the settings & on screen icons as they say, the current firmware number is as they say it needs to be before updating

I just can't find exactly where it is to click that final step to begin the update, very frustrating

When selecting the USB, I can see the name AVS... for the folder, go back and across to Update Firmware, that just brings up the current firmware number

But nowhere to select update???????? So I'm thinking it is not recognizing the USB, even though I can see the name of the folder, all I can work on for now...

Will reformat the USB, try the files again, wait for suggestion, thanks

John
post #7248 of 9474
I've tested the 818 update on my receiver, and it looks like the security issue I reported 4 months ago is *still there*. mad.gif
post #7249 of 9474
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Originally Posted by fokakis1 View Post

The Crown XLS amps run fairly quiet and sound great. I just picked up an Audiosource Amp One/A for cheap to run 9.2. It puts out 80 x 2 @ 8 ohms RMS. I'll let you know how it works out. I have found that Audyssey does a great job of blending mismatched components.

I hooked up the Audiosource to my front height speakers (Polk Rti4). With a 80hz x-over it kept pace with the rest of my system and blended perfectly even before rerunning Audyssey.
post #7250 of 9474
What are your impressions of using the height speakers?

I'm new to the 818 club and am hunting a pair of height speakers on ebay to match my other 7.

The limited reviews on adding the height channel seem to be a very mixed bag and Audyssey themselves seem to promote width speakers as more impactful that height. With my theater layout adding height is very practical but width not at all practical.
post #7251 of 9474
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Originally Posted by rworne View Post

I've tested the 818 update on my receiver, and it looks like the security issue I reported 4 months ago is *still there*. mad.gif

What "security issue" are you referring to?
post #7252 of 9474
I've been waiting on the Marantz 5008 but with the great close out price of the 818's, what are people's thoughts in going this route over the Marantz? The Audyssey XT32 for one is a great reason plus additional zone (3 vs 2). I'm not overly concerned about the differences of inputs and I'm not sure the power increase will matter in my configuration. I'm replacing an older Denon 2309 which randomly is starting to have problems. It's been a good receiver to date but time seems right to upgrade. Definitely wanting to future proof (as much as I can) by ensuring support for latest audio codecs/formats along with 4k video.

We listen to a lot of music along with movies (probably 40% music 60% movies).

I understand the 818 pairs more up with the 7007 from Marantz so perhaps this is reason enough to get the 818. smile.gif I've also read plenty of posts where Onkyo's have historically been less reliable than others out there but then again, I also see things pop up regarding Marantz. Marantz seem so much like Denon minus a few little things (yes I know they're both owned by D&M). Perhaps D&M is struggling in trying to keep both brands and creating differentiators between the two brands.

Any thoughts and feedback would be appreciative. I have a pretty large room that is very open (two stories) and unfortunately the room doesn't have space for floor speakers so everything is in wall Klipsch 5650 (mounted high in wall) with a HSU sub.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts and suggestions!

**Edit: I read the 818 does not support 4k passthrough so have scratched the receiver off my list. Its a shame and disappointment they provide the upscaling but no passthrough.
Edited by cfendya - 6/16/13 at 4:49am
post #7253 of 9474
I am planning on getting the 818 in a few weeks and have been going over speaker placement options with a 7.1 setup. I will have to use either front wide or highs for the extra two channels and there is something that seems to be eluding my understanding. With wide or heights, I would have to use the DSX option as one example, to matrix the sound into those speakers. If I am watching a DTS-HD MA or Dolby True HD source, with the DSX, Is the audio still lossless and does it display on the receiver that the mode is DTS,Dolby or Dsx? I have spent the last three weeks on this forum in the respective threads relevant to my setup and am just trying to figure *everything* out that I can before my head explodes!eek.gif

Edit: I think I figured it out. If the source is Dts-hd ma 5.1 for example, and I select that from BD menu than I will hear that lossless audio. By setting Receiver to Dsx, or pro logic iiz etc. for my heights or wides, I am simply matrixing that lossless track into those two extra channels but do not lose any of that lossless quality?
Edited by Niroe64 - 6/16/13 at 12:11am
post #7254 of 9474
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Nick View Post

Hello All:

My Audyssey calibration is not playing nicely with my Zone 2. I have Zone 2 configured as recommended in the manual (p. 78), using the front wide and Zone 2 speaker connections. My Zone 2 is a two channel setup in the next room. With Zone 2 off on the receiver, I started running Audyssey. When the calibration comes around to the front wides, the chirps come from my Zone 2 speakers in the adjoining room. Even through a closed door, they are loud enough to cause an Audyssey error.

I have resorted to physically disconnecting my Zone 2 speakers from the back of the receiver in order to properly run Audyssey. But I have to ask: Will this be required every time I want to run Audyssey? Is there no way to defeat Zone 2 from running in an adjoining room when doing the Audyssey calibration in the main listening room?

Thank you very much for your advice.

Just Nick

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Originally Posted by NODES View Post

Turn off the speakers in the speaker settings option to disable them.

The advice I got from Nodes sounds so simple, yet I have been unable to find how to "turn off' individual speakers. I must be missing it in the menus. Any guidance is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Just Nick
post #7255 of 9474
Thread Starter 
You are making this more complicated than it needs to be. I have the same setup as you (5.1 in the main room and Zone 2 on a patio).

When you first plug the microphone in for Audyssey calibration it asks you if you have powered Zone 2 you need that set to YES. Audyssey is then smart enough to know that those speakers aren't part of the calibration. If you are still getting "chirps" from the Zone 2 speakers when you have it set this way then you have them corrected to the wrong speaker terminals on the back of the amp.
post #7256 of 9474
Guys, I'm puzzled. I tried some DVDs with a DTS 5.1 24/96 track today. The Onkyo 818 shows "Input: DTS 24/96. 48 KHz". How can it be 24/96 and 48 KHz at the same time? I tried with two different DVD players, bitstream and LPCM. I don't see any setting in the DVD players that suggests the audio is being downconverted. As a consequence, the listening mode DTS 24/96 is not available, just DTS and all the others. I don't claim to be able to hear a difference, just wondering what's going on. According to the manual, the 818 is supposed to be able to handle 24/96.

Edit2: (DTS HD MA is fine now, 24/96 is still 48KHz)
Edited by tombeck - 6/16/13 at 10:39am
post #7257 of 9474
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Originally Posted by psurunner View Post

What are your impressions of using the height speakers?

I'm new to the 818 club and am hunting a pair of height speakers on ebay to match my other 7.

The limited reviews on adding the height channel seem to be a very mixed bag and Audyssey themselves seem to promote width speakers as more impactful that height. With my theater layout adding height is very practical but width not at all practical.

 

I don't have room for Wides either.  I have found that my Height speakers considerably add to my enjoyment of movies. I don't use DSX thought, as I prefer Dolby PLIIz.  I didn’t invest much money in the height speakers as I don't think it is necessary for the contribution they make - I bought two secondhand speakers off eBay but they are the same make as my mains and surrounds (M&K).  Verdict: worth giving it a try.

post #7258 of 9474
I think I'm going to wait to get a 4K passthrough receiver instead of the 818. I don't want to have to upgrade to another receiver to get that function in like 3-4 years. Not sure if it will be the 828 or just wait for the 929 to come down in price at some point.
post #7259 of 9474
In case anyone is interested is a spec sheet from Onkyo on the 818.

http://www.intl.onkyo.com/downloads/product_info/pdf/tx-nr818_euex_leaflet.pdf
post #7260 of 9474
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I don't have room for Wides either.  I have found that my Height speakers considerably add to my enjoyment of movies. I don't use DSX thought, as I prefer Dolby PLIIz.  I didn’t invest much money in the height speakers as I don't think it is necessary for the contribution they make - I bought two secondhand speakers off eBay but they are the same make as my mains and surrounds (M&K).  Verdict: worth giving it a try.


In my case i have to use the DSX version to be able to use all 9.2 speakers. I do like the Dolby PLIIz though.
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