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post #7471 of 9458
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Originally Posted by fokakis1 View Post

This is not the case. The source does not need to have 9.1 in it, nor will it. It is not available because the other two options involve having front wides, which you don't have. If you did, then you could use this feature to assign priority.

^ this guy is right.

You have 7 channels in this 9.2 receiver. If you want 9 speakers you need another amp. I run DSX with EVERYTHING (movies/music/games)...with FW + FH. Source has nothing to do with it. Audyssey will always run it's algorithms to "fudge" the sound to the speakers you configured.
post #7472 of 9458
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Originally Posted by zebraitis View Post


So... a quick question on firmware: Is Onkyo firmware inclusive of previous firmware upgrades?

In other words, if I load the latest USB upgrade for the 818 (06/13/2013), will it have and incorporate all previous updates, or will I need to do previous upgrade firmware releases?

Thanks.

v.

They should. But the latest firmware update requires a minimum version already installed. This may not be because there's any missing fixes, but that the latest firmware update requires a minimum firmware version to avoid some bug that would brick the receiver during the update process.

Back when the updates were over the network, you could update after a year or two and it would always download the latest version and not any interim versions.

There's an exception to that too. Last year there was an update for the 2012 models that would flash two versions if you were not at a certain firmware level. I'm pretty sure that was to avoid a problem programming as well.
post #7473 of 9458
I would very much appreciate your input. I'm setting up my 818 and I'm in a quandary on a couple issues. My 5.1 system is fairly basic and only consists of a Samsung F8500 HDTV; DVR; and Oppo 103. I may add a Roku later but, that's down the road. 1) I have read conflicting opinions on whether to use HDMI or analogue connections from the Oppo to the 818 and to the HDTV. For audio, purists tend to lean toward analogue while others say they can't tell the difference when using HDMI. I'm wondering what you as owners use for your connections and if you can tell the difference between the two type of connections. 2) I would like to know the recommended flow of connections from the cable source to DVR to either the HDTV or Oppo or vise versa. I'm merely wanting to know which connections have worked best for you. I watch mostly TV and listen to streaming music. With my B&W speakers, Oppo and 818, I would ultimately like to achieve the bet audio and video from these components. A huge reason in wanting to know this up front is that once I install the system in place it will be very, very, difficult to rearrange. If at all possible, I would very much like to get it right the first time - from the best source - you guys.
post #7474 of 9458
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Originally Posted by fokakis1 View Post

This is not the case. The source does not need to have 9.1 in it, nor will it. It is not available because the other two options involve having front wides, which you don't have. If you did, then you could use this feature to assign priority.

I believe I have my system configured such that I should be able to use this feature to assign priority (see my prior posts), but I remain unable to do so. It is very perplexing.
post #7475 of 9458
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Originally Posted by Fishtank View Post

^ this guy is right.

You have 7 channels in this 9.2 receiver. If you want 9 speakers you need another amp. I run DSX with EVERYTHING (movies/music/games)...with FW + FH. Source has nothing to do with it. Audyssey will always run it's algorithms to "fudge" the sound to the speakers you configured.

Fishtank:

Are you able to use the "SP" button on the remote to successfully toggle between the FW/FH/SB prioritizing options?

Just Nick
post #7476 of 9458
Folks, I have my 818 running 8.1heights (1 back surround, as I fell for the old 6.1 trick). When I do a pink noise sweep from DVE the sounds all blend together as it moves around the speaker loop, but there is one itty bitty gap of silence - between my right surround and back surround. Is this a phase issue? Any suggestions would be welcomed.
post #7477 of 9458
I'd think it was just confused that there weren't two rear surrounds and was checking to make sure wink.gif
post #7478 of 9458
OK - I wish there was a phase test I could find that will check each pair in an (obviously abnormal) 8.1chH setup.
post #7479 of 9458
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Originally Posted by flinchn View Post

OK - I wish there was a phase test I could find that will check each pair in an (obviously abnormal) 8.1chH setup.

But it is checking each pair....you have no pair in the rear, though. As long as your speakers are wired correctly from your avr I wouldn't particularly worry about it (unless you may have mismatched speakers or internally miswired speakers).
post #7480 of 9458
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Originally Posted by Just Nick View Post

Fishtank:

Are you able to use the "SP" button on the remote to successfully toggle between the FW/FH/SB prioritizing options?

Just Nick

Going to test this tonight after work.
post #7481 of 9458
Hi I am new here but have been using this site for a lot of great information but I am stuck! I just bought a onkyo tx-nr818 to replace my old onkyo. My speakers are the klipsch rf-62 II 5.1 set up. The speakers are spec at 8 ohms I think and my old onkyo was set at 8ohms but with this new 818 it only let me pick from 6ohm or 4ohms so as of right now I have it at 6ohms but it seems like I'm turning the volume up to like 60 to just watch normal tv and 70 for a movie on my old one I never go over 40 any idea if this is normal or any way to change this? I did use audyssey to set it up. It put my front at 40hz my mid at 60hz my rears at 80hz(thx) and my lef at 100hz.
post #7482 of 9458
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Originally Posted by kyouki37 View Post

Hi I am new here but have been using this site for a lot of great information but I am stuck! I just bought a onkyo tx-nr818 to replace my old onkyo. My speakers are the klipsch rf-62 II 5.1 set up. The speakers are spec at 8 ohms I think and my old onkyo was set at 8ohms but with this new 818 it only let me pick from 6ohm or 4ohms so as of right now I have it at 6ohms but it seems like I'm turning the volume up to like 60 to just watch normal tv and 70 for a movie on my old one I never go over 40 any idea if this is normal or any way to change this? I did use audyssey to set it up. It put my front at 40hz my mid at 60hz my rears at 80hz(thx) and my lef at 100hz.


Use 6 ohms!

Set all your speakers at 80hz and see how that goes.

You may need to tweak certain settings under each source.

Audyssey Dynamic Volume
THX Loudness
Dolby Volume
etc...
post #7483 of 9458
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Originally Posted by NODES View Post

Use 6 ohms!

Set all your speakers at 80hz and see how that goes.

You may need to tweak certain settings under each source.

Audyssey Dynamic Volume
THX Loudness
Dolby Volume
etc...

Thank you! Ill give that a shot I have been playing with a few settings and I am finding a happy spot.
post #7484 of 9458
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Originally Posted by kyouki37 View Post

Thank you! Ill give that a shot I have been playing with a few settings and I am finding a happy spot.

Great, these new AVR's need a bit of tinkering to sound the best.
post #7485 of 9458
Just Nick,

Any updates on your speaker selection options? It occurred to me that you will not be able to toggle using "sp" between SB/FH/FW if you have any of those set to none/-- in the speaker setup-configuration menu, or if Audyssey did that for you.
post #7486 of 9458
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Originally Posted by fokakis1 View Post

Just Nick,

Any updates on your speaker selection options? It occurred to me that you will not be able to toggle using "sp" between SB/FH/FW if you have any of those set to none/-- in the speaker setup-configuration menu, or if Audyssey did that for you.

Hi fokakis:

No update yet, but thanks for asking. At this point, I am just looking for someone who owns the 818 to verify they can toggle between the options. AFAIK, I have everything configured properly, with the receiver recognizing both my SB's and my FW's. And I get sound out of them. It is just the issue of selecting speaker priority with the SP button that has me stumped.

Just Nick
post #7487 of 9458
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Originally Posted by NODES View Post

Going to test this tonight after work.

Thank you Nodes.
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post #7488 of 9458
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Originally Posted by Just Nick View Post

Hi fokakis:

No update yet, but thanks for asking. At this point, I am just looking for someone who owns the 818 to verify they can toggle between the options. AFAIK, I have everything configured properly, with the receiver recognizing both my SB's and my FW's. And I get sound out of them. It is just the issue of selecting speaker priority with the SP button that has me stumped.

Just Nick

I can check later today about the sp button.... but to be honest I might have missed something because I'm confused about why you need this to toggle? You set the speaker config and run audyssey... if you change that speaker config, you have to rerun audyssey. Basically I can't see how you can toggle different speakers "configs" you can't have configured at the same time anyhow.

But for what it's worth I've tested 9 speakers in all configurations and have never had a problem assigning the extra 2 internal 818 channels to either FW/FH/SB. Using external amps to drive those channels has worked seemlessly as well.

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Originally Posted by flinchn View Post

OK - I wish there was a phase test I could find that will check each pair in an (obviously abnormal) 8.1chH setup.

Page 60 in the manual has a section where you select 1 back surround or 2. Not sure if you tried that or not.
Edited by Fishtank - 7/13/13 at 7:15am
post #7489 of 9458
For people who are buying extended warranty plans on their Onkyo products, are you buying them through Onkyo (looks like for my NR818 it would be $85.00 for two additional years) or through other places such as SquareTrade? Looks like they come with a 2 year warranty, another 2 years for $85.00 seems pretty reasonable..
post #7490 of 9458
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Originally Posted by Just Nick View Post

Thank you Nodes.
smile.gif


Same like you Unavailable!
post #7491 of 9458
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Originally Posted by chadwick537 View Post

For people who are buying extended warranty plans on their Onkyo products, are you buying them through Onkyo (looks like for my NR818 it would be $85.00 for two additional years) or through other places such as SquareTrade? Looks like they come with a 2 year warranty, another 2 years for $85.00 seems pretty reasonable..


either way you cannot go wrong with an extended warranty on an Onkyo product
post #7492 of 9458
Finally setup my 818 I bought during the Memorial day refurb sale to my Ascend speakers. This is my first higher end audio system and have some questions!

So I finished running Audyssey and saved the results.

First question, it set my Ascend 340s to 40Hz (I have a Klipsch RW-12d that was hooked up during the cal). Is this correct? I thought I saw others settings these speakers to 60 or 80???

Second question, is Audyssey an "equalizer mode" or does it simply correct all the speakers for any equalizer setting I choose? Basically I want to know what menu options I have to make sure are set correctly so when I watch a movie it is outputting the best possible sound according to the calibration.

Third and final question, I read the Audyssey faq and seems I should set the speakers to "small". I cannot find that menu option anywhere though. What do I need to do here???
post #7493 of 9458
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Originally Posted by S T I G View Post

Finally setup my 818 I bought during the Memorial day refurb sale to my Ascend speakers. This is my first higher end audio system and have some questions!

So I finished running Audyssey and saved the results.

First question, it set my Ascend 340s to 40Hz (I have a Klipsch RW-12d that was hooked up during the cal). Is this correct? I thought I saw others settings these speakers to 60 or 80???

Second question, is Audyssey an "equalizer mode" or does it simply correct all the speakers for any equalizer setting I choose? Basically I want to know what menu options I have to make sure are set correctly so when I watch a movie it is outputting the best possible sound according to the calibration.

Third and final question, I read the Audyssey faq and seems I should set the speakers to "small". I cannot find that menu option anywhere though. What do I need to do here???

I set all my speakers to 80hz after calibration, they were all sets to 40hz
post #7494 of 9458
Quote:
Originally Posted by S T I G View Post

Finally setup my 818 I bought during the Memorial day refurb sale to my Ascend speakers. This is my first higher end audio system and have some questions!

So I finished running Audyssey and saved the results.

First question, it set my Ascend 340s to 40Hz (I have a Klipsch RW-12d that was hooked up during the cal). Is this correct? I thought I saw others settings these speakers to 60 or 80???

Second question, is Audyssey an "equalizer mode" or does it simply correct all the speakers for any equalizer setting I choose? Basically I want to know what menu options I have to make sure are set correctly so when I watch a movie it is outputting the best possible sound according to the calibration.

Third and final question, I read the Audyssey faq and seems I should set the speakers to "small". I cannot find that menu option anywhere though. What do I need to do here???
Small basically means 80hz. Audyssey setting enables the calibration you did, but you can easily turn it off.
post #7495 of 9458
I really hope some early adopters will try this feature out and report back on the results. mnBu
post #7496 of 9458
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Originally Posted by NODES View Post

Same like you Unavailable!



eek.gif WTF???

I guess the good side is that I'm not crazy...at least not based on not being able to do the toggle...
It WASN'T me this time!

The bad side is...what is going on here?

Why would p. 49 of the instructions offer the option of: "Selecting Speaker Layout"
Explaining it as: "You can set which speakers you want to use by priority."
And for 9.1 playback tell us the way you set it is to: "Press RECEIVER followed by SP (speaker layout)
repeatedly to select: Speaker Layout:SB/FH or Speaker Layout:SB/FW or Speaker Layout:FH/FW"

When we can't do it???

Now there are certain conditions which are supposed to make such selections unavailable:

"The following layouts are only available when the
“Preout to External Amplifier” setting (➔ page 59)
and all corresponding speakers are enabled."

I think we've got this covered. If not, we would not be getting sound out of all the speakers simultaneously when an appropriate listening mode is engaged.

There are other strings attached to making Selecting Speaker Layout available:

"This setting is not available in either of the following cases:
– The “Speakers Type (Front)” setting is set to “Bi-Amp”
or “Digital Crossover”.

No weird settings for me. Just plain old normal speakers.


– The “Powered Zone 2/3” setting is set to “Yes” and
Zone 2/3 is turned on.

Nope. I have disconnected my Zone 2 completely until I figure this out.
And there are more conditions:

"• The following layouts are only available when the
“Preout to External Amplifier” setting (➔ page 59)
and all corresponding speakers are enabled."

Got it. See above.

"• Playback conditions may be limited depending on the settings
in “Speaker Settings” (➔ page 59) and “Speaker
Configuration” (➔ page 60)."

All settings are appropriate. See my earlier posts.

"• When a listening mode which doesn’t support front high,
front wide or surround back speakers is used, this setting
cannot be selected."

I am using PL II Movie DSX

So in short, nothing about the way I am configured (or AFAIK, how NODES is configured) should prohibit us from selecting whichever combination of surround speakers we choose pursuant to "Selecting Speaker Layout"

Makes me go "Hmmmmmmmm....."

Just Nick
post #7497 of 9458
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Originally Posted by Fishtank View Post

I can check later today about the sp button.... but to be honest I might have missed something because I'm confused about why you need this to toggle? You set the speaker config and run audyssey... if you change that speaker config, you have to rerun audyssey. Basically I can't see how you can toggle different speakers "configs" you can't have configured at the same time anyhow.

But for what it's worth I've tested 9 speakers in all configurations and have never had a problem assigning the extra 2 internal 818 channels to either FW/FH/SB. Using external amps to drive those channels has worked seemlessly as well.
Page 60 in the manual has a section where you select 1 back surround or 2. Not sure if you tried that or not.

Hi Fishtank:

If your point is "so what? It works, doesn't it?" you may be 100% right. I am just perplexed by the several references to this selection process that are contained in the manual and the fact that I cannot access this process. At this point, the main reason I am concerned is that by only getting "unavailable," it makes me think I have something configured wrong.

Maybe Audyssey does take over and thus the receiver "knows" which speakers are connected. But if so, then the whole "Selecting Speaker Layout" section, which is the bulk of page 49 of the manual, is unnecessary. And you would think the manual might say "skip this if using Audyssey since Audyssey does it for you" if this were the case.

Just curious.
And wondering if I am the only one that has stumbled upon this.

Just Nick
post #7498 of 9458
Just a guess, but as you currently are only able to use one of the three settings listed below (since you do not have Front Height speakers connected), the Onkyo is simply defaulting to the one choice you do have available to you (although I would agree that displaying that one choice would certainly be more intuitive then simply "Not Available"). If during Audyssey setup all 9 speakers are pinged with a test tone then they are all getting EQ'd by Audyssey. Keep in mind that although you can only run 7 speakers (or 9 with external amp) at a time, Audyssey will EQ all 11 speakers if the Front Height speakers are connected as well. You would then use that Speaker Layout setting to toggle between the various layouts without having to run Audyssey again.

post #7499 of 9458
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Just a guess, but as you currently are only able to use one of the three settings listed below (since you do not have Front Height speakers connected), the Onkyo is simply defaulting to the one choice you do have available to you (although I would agree that displaying that one choice would certainly be more intuitive then simply "Not Available"). If during Audyssey setup all 9 speakers are pinged with a test tone then they are all getting EQ'd by Audyssey. Keep in mind that although you can only run 7 speakers (or 9 with external amp) at a time, Audyssey will EQ all 11 speakers if the Front Height speakers are connected as well. You would then use that Speaker Layout setting to toggle between the various layouts without having to run Audyssey again.


Ah there you go.... I never assumed the 9.2 receiver would calibrate the 11 speakers if you had them hooked up. That would explain the expectation to be able to toggle.
post #7500 of 9458
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Just a guess, but as you currently are only able to use one of the three settings listed below (since you do not have Front Height speakers connected), the Onkyo is simply defaulting to the one choice you do have available to you (although I would agree that displaying that one choice would certainly be more intuitive then simply "Not Available"). If during Audyssey setup all 9 speakers are pinged with a test tone then they are all getting EQ'd by Audyssey. Keep in mind that although you can only run 7 speakers (or 9 with external amp) at a time, Audyssey will EQ all 11 speakers if the Front Height speakers are connected as well. You would then use that Speaker Layout setting to toggle between the various layouts without having to run Audyssey again.


You hit the nail on the head.
Before you posted, I finally posted this dilemma on the Onkyo Support forum. Let's see how they respond.

Thank you for a well-reasoned answer.

Just Nick
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