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post #7591 of 9532
So reporting back on the HDMI problem. Even though it appeared to be working, and even though Tech. support said it was working something was actually wrong with the 818. They checked it out today and now it's status is 'waiting for parts'. Since they stock most of the common boards it might be a less common problem. So it's scheduled to be done in a week.
Thanks for all the tips and advice! So glad they found something, thought I was missing something very basic.
post #7592 of 9532
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Originally Posted by kpmn View Post

So reporting back on the HDMI problem. Even though it appeared to be working, and even though Tech. support said it was working something was actually wrong with the 818. They checked it out today and now it's status is 'waiting for parts'. Since they stock most of the common boards it might be a less common problem. So it's scheduled to be done in a week.
Thanks for all the tips and advice! So glad they found something, thought I was missing something very basic.

looks like a new HDMI board is in your future.
post #7593 of 9532
The 616 died on me twice (2 x HDMI board heat issues) and a repair was the only option. I decided now to upgrade to a 818 which might be better suited for home cinema. My question now is generally about Onkyo receivers and how to best reduce the heat problem:

I have a TV and a projector so I use both HDMI outs simultaneously. In the setup I have set HDMi to "BOTH" so I don't need to got through the menu if I want to play a game on TV and later watch a movie on the bigger screen. But is that sensible and is there a better way to switch between TV and projector? Maybe with that Zone2?

Furthermore, how should I handle shutting it off. Is it better to just leave the unit in standby or should I shut it off with the remote? What's the best way to minimize the risk of heat issues?
post #7594 of 9532
I think everyone jumped on this "heat issue" as an excuse...because the earlier Onkyo's did generate a good amount of heat. I also think that it is a false assumption. There are too many factors that point away from this. Almost all cases of the HDMI board failure were right around the two year mark...some sooner, yes. But, as everyone can attest, enthusiasts use their equipment at different rates, and different levels of intensity. IF it was a heat issue, would it not stand to reason, that those that drove their equipment harder, would see the failure sooner...? This was not the case. Conversely, I used my 807 in a basement, (read, temperature controlled) theater setting, and rarely overdrove it...Should mine not have lasted longer than the two year mark? (it did not)
I think it speaks volumes about the quality going in to the components...and also the service that Onkyo, (and sadly other electronics manufacturers...) are failing to provide.
Ultimately, I received my 818 as compensation, to "make it right"...but the levels I had to take it to, in order to get them to see that the product was inferior, was exhausting.
For a partial answer to your question...The 818 is no where near as hot as my 807 was...And, I am impressed with the features, and the sound quality, BUT, I will not hold my breath on the longevity of the unit...
post #7595 of 9532
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Originally Posted by kevin g. View Post

I think everyone jumped on this "heat issue" as an excuse...because the earlier Onkyo's did generate a good amount of heat. I also think that it is a false assumption. There are too many factors that point away from this. Almost all cases of the HDMI board failure were right around the two year mark...some sooner, yes. But, as everyone can attest, enthusiasts use their equipment at different rates, and different levels of intensity. IF it was a heat issue, would it not stand to reason, that those that drove their equipment harder, would see the failure sooner...? This was not the case. Conversely, I used my 807 in a basement, (read, temperature controlled) theater setting, and rarely overdrove it...Should mine not have lasted longer than the two year mark? (it did not)
I think it speaks volumes about the quality going in to the components...and also the service that Onkyo, (and sadly other electronics manufacturers...) are failing to provide.
Ultimately, I received my 818 as compensation, to "make it right"...but the levels I had to take it to, in order to get them to see that the product was inferior, was exhausting.
For a partial answer to your question...The 818 is no where near as hot as my 807 was...And, I am impressed with the features, and the sound quality, BUT, I will not hold my breath on the longevity of the unit...

How is it then, that from November (when I bought the 616) to June it worked flawlessly and suddenly when there is a heatwave (one in June) and one this week the unit dies on me? I don't believe in coincidence wink.gif
post #7596 of 9532
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Originally Posted by Fox Mulder87 View Post

The 616 died on me twice (2 x HDMI board heat issues) and a repair was the only option. I decided now to upgrade to a 818 which might be better suited for home cinema. My question now is generally about Onkyo receivers and how to best reduce the heat problem:

I have a TV and a projector so I use both HDMI outs simultaneously. In the setup I have set HDMi to "BOTH" so I don't need to got through the menu if I want to play a game on TV and later watch a movie on the bigger screen. But is that sensible and is there a better way to switch between TV and projector? Maybe with that Zone2?

Furthermore, how should I handle shutting it off. Is it better to just leave the unit in standby or should I shut it off with the remote? What's the best way to minimize the risk of heat issues?

Fox,

I run a 12V quiet fan over the back right quadrant of the receiver. It blows air upward, therefore drawing heat up and out. It sits on tiny slices of sorbothane to reduce vibration.
post #7597 of 9532
I have a set of Polk monitor 75t series speakers. I ran audyssey last night and everything calibrated fine. However, I have two Dayton 1200 subwoofers hooked up in mono connected together going to one subwoofer input on the receiver. The problem is the two towers seem to play all the bass and do not kick in at all even with the volume turned way up. What could be the problem? Not enough power...manually adjust crossover?
post #7598 of 9532
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Originally Posted by Fox Mulder87 View Post

How is it then, that from November (when I bought the 616) to June it worked flawlessly and suddenly when there is a heatwave (one in June) and one this week the unit dies on me? I don't believe in coincidence wink.gif

I don't believe in coincidence either...That's why I don't believe the heat issue...(again, I'm sure it's not helping...) and am reasonably certain that it is a workmanship/materials problem.
If we follow your logic, summertime would kill all Onkyo's. (My 807 died in October...) There is also the fact that they have fans internally...have you ever heard it kick in? My guess would be no...I never once heard my 807's fans, and it was a microwave...
When was your first HDMI failure?
Feel free to add cooling, It can't hurt. I don't believe it will save Onkyo's reputation
post #7599 of 9532
The more I read about Onkyo and failures makes me wonder why I didn't go Yamaha...
post #7600 of 9532
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Originally Posted by bigslim View Post

Well, My 807 was purchased 03-11-09 finally died on 7-3-13. No speaker icons no picture. I have received repair authorization from Onkyo. There is an authorized repair center 1/2 mile from my house...how lucky is that? No shipping cost. I replaced it with the TX-NR818. What can I say? I have been buying Onkyo products for over 20 years. The 818 is my 5th Onkyo amp. The 807 my only disappointment.
If the 818 fails I will be forced to look elsewhere.......with regret!

Ususally, the failure of electronics follow the bath tub shape, i.e high failure rate at the start and end of life. Onkyo late model AVR seems to fail 2-4 years in it's lifespan. I just bought a 2 year warranty extension for my year old 809. Frankly the idea that I will have no sound or no video suddendy is very hard to take. If the 809 fails, I probably will use the warranty to fix it. Then I will probably get rid of it. I am leaning to look elsewhere also.

But is this unique to Onkyo? My Pioneer 919 had problems after two years and now sits like a brick on a shelf, even tho it has maybe 10% of its former functionality (i.e. it's not a complete brick). Just crappy manufacturing QC and the throw away mindset with all the rapidly changing technologies and co0nsumers happier with a cheaper price point over quality? Do HDMI problems partly relate to the poor physical connection that they generally are? That is, the effects of using a very stiff cable or changing it out frequently for different setups/experiments/cleaning? Some of that may have affected that Pio of mine. What about all the QC problems with various LCD and plasma tv's? Laptop computers that are stressed by the DC converter connection (I've lost several laptops over time to this and a friend of mine who deals in them says this is all too common, but since the power connection is to the main board that physical stress over time adds up....
post #7601 of 9532
Is Yamaha really better? I heard good things about Onkyo, and that is why I went with the 818. Prior to that, I had a Marantz SR6003 that died after 4 years of light use. I am wondering if there is ANY manufacturer today that makes receivers that withstand the test of time.

When I was younger, i upgraded because I felt like it. Not because of catastrophic failures that force me to.

Just Nick
post #7602 of 9532
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Originally Posted by kevin g. View Post

I don't believe in coincidence either...That's why I don't believe the heat issue...(again, I'm sure it's not helping...) and am reasonably certain that it is a workmanship/materials problem.
If we follow your logic, summertime would kill all Onkyo's. (My 807 died in October...) There is also the fact that they have fans internally...have you ever heard it kick in? My guess would be no...I never once heard my 807's fans, and it was a microwave...
When was your first HDMI failure?
Feel free to add cooling, It can't hurt. I don't believe it will save Onkyo's reputation

The first HDMI failure did occur mid-June (all week close to 100 Fahrenheit) and then I brought it back. They replaced the HDMI main board. The second failure occured this week (very very hot, humid all week). Now maybe this has nothing to do with the heat and they just didn't repair it properly the first time. Anyway, I'm willing to give Onkyo a second chance and ordered the 818. The sound quality on the 616 already was absolutely impeccable. Just a side question: does the 818 bring a slight improvement in sound clarity or is it just more powerful (I didn't really like Audyssey on the 616, had to much bass)?
post #7603 of 9532
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Originally Posted by Fox Mulder87 View Post

The first HDMI failure did occur mid-June (all week close to 100 Fahrenheit) and then I brought it back. They replaced the HDMI main board. The second failure occured this week (very very hot, humid all week).

Is your home theater outside? Probably not. Your receiver sits in your air conditioned home and has no idea whatsoever how hot or humid it is outside. How could that possibly have anything to do with it?

I'm not saying that heat wasn't the culprit, but it wasn't because of the temp outside.
post #7604 of 9532
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Originally Posted by Fox Mulder87 View Post

The first HDMI failure did occur mid-June (all week close to 100 Fahrenheit) and then I brought it back. They replaced the HDMI main board. The second failure occured this week (very very hot, humid all week). Now maybe this has nothing to do with the heat and they just didn't repair it properly the first time. Anyway, I'm willing to give Onkyo a second chance and ordered the 818. The sound quality on the 616 already was absolutely impeccable. Just a side question: does the 818 bring a slight improvement in sound clarity or is it just more powerful (I didn't really like Audyssey on the 616, had to much bass)?
I have not heard the 616, but the 818 does not disappoint. Does the 616 have xt32?? I know that there was a marked improvement over my 807.
post #7605 of 9532
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Originally Posted by kevin g. View Post

I have not heard the 616, but the 818 does not disappoint. Does the 616 have xt32?? I know that there was a marked improvement over my 807.

616 - Has DSX.
post #7606 of 9532
Is there not an easier way to get to the night mode listening options?

Was there not a button on our remotes that toggled the night time mode?

As far as I know my original remote is up on the moon...so...
post #7607 of 9532
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Originally Posted by na300zx View Post

I have a set of Polk monitor 75t series speakers. I ran audyssey last night and everything calibrated fine. However, I have two Dayton 1200 subwoofers hooked up in mono connected together going to one subwoofer input on the receiver. The problem is the two towers seem to play all the bass and do not kick in at all even with the volume turned way up. What could be the problem? Not enough power...manually adjust crossover?


change your XO to 80 on all speakers after calibration.
post #7608 of 9532
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Originally Posted by Fox Mulder87 View Post

The sound quality on the 616 already was absolutely impeccable. Just a side question: does the 818 bring a slight improvement in sound clarity or is it just more powerful (I didn't really like Audyssey on the 616, had to much bass)?

The 818 has Audyssey XT32, the latest and greatest system, IMO.
The 807 has MultEQ
The 616 has only the rudimentary 2EQ with only minimal satellite correction and does nothing to the bass.


Edited by Patrick Murphy - 7/27/13 at 4:02am
post #7609 of 9532
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

The 818 has Audyssey XT32, the latest and greatest system, IMO.
The 807 has MultEQ
The 616 has only the rudimentary 2EQ with only minimal satellite correction and does nothing to the bass.


Yes, I'm looking forward to try out XT32. I never used the 2EQ with the 616 because it had far too much bass whenever I turned it on. I also found that 2EQ worked best when volume was turned down. I hope XT32 does a better job for when watching a movie at high volume.
post #7610 of 9532
I agree with Kevin g. inferior parts...low cost labor...profit margin = bad QC!
post #7611 of 9532
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Originally Posted by NODES View Post

change your XO to 80 on all speakers after calibration.


Thanks for the reply. I will try setting all speakers to 80 and respond back.
post #7612 of 9532
Quick question. The subwoofers have a mono input and a line input connection. Which one do I use to run to the receiver ? I am using two sub's connected to one input on the receiver. I know I want the receiver to control the crossover and bypass the sub amplifier. The sub's are Dayton 120.

Currently I have both sub's connected with the mono input and the crossover knob maxed out. Is this correct?
post #7613 of 9532
After some research I found thx recommends 80khz with the speakers set to small. Reading the audyssey FAQ illustrates a sub trim level between -3.5 and 3.5. However, I am still confused about the subwoofer connection question I posted above.

Any other considerations to take in mind to get a good calibration?

I remember audyssey set my sub at -12.5. I read that I need to dial the gain down to get within acceptable values. I have an SPL meter on the way to help me calibrate the subs better.
post #7614 of 9532
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Originally Posted by na300zx View Post

Quick question. The subwoofers have a mono input and a line input connection. Which one do I use to run to the receiver ? I am using two sub's connected to one input on the receiver. I know I want the receiver to control the crossover and bypass the sub amplifier. The sub's are Dayton 120.

Currently I have both sub's connected with the mono input and the crossover knob maxed out. Is this correct?


the 818 supports 2 subs, can you run the subs separately?

when doing the calibration I turn off one sub, set the other to 75db then unplug the power to it and set the 2nd to 75db then plug both in and continue with the calibration.
post #7615 of 9532
Hi,

I am trying to play FLACs/WMAs from my network drive and I can't get it working. When I'm connecting my USB drive (NTFS-formatted) to the same router which is connected to the receiver I can see the network share name in "Home Media", but when I select it I get "No item" message. I can see the same files from Mac laptop connecting as Guest.

Connecting the same drive to receiver's USB port shows whole file structure.

Are network drives really supported by 818 receiver or it has to be a real PC, not just a network drive?
post #7616 of 9532
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Originally Posted by kosmik1 View Post

Hi,

I am trying to play FLACs/WMAs from my network drive and I can't get it working. When I'm connecting my USB drive (NTFS-formatted) to the same router which is connected to the receiver I can see the network share name in "Home Media", but when I select it I get "No item" message. I can see the same files from Mac laptop connecting as Guest.

Connecting the same drive to receiver's USB port shows whole file structure.

Are network drives really supported by 818 receiver or it has to be a real PC, not just a network drive?

network drive as in a NAS?
post #7617 of 9532
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Originally Posted by kosmik1 View Post

Hi,

I am trying to play FLACs/WMAs from my network drive and I can't get it working. When I'm connecting my USB drive (NTFS-formatted) to the same router which is connected to the receiver I can see the network share name in "Home Media", but when I select it I get "No item" message. I can see the same files from Mac laptop connecting as Guest.

Connecting the same drive to receiver's USB port shows whole file structure.

Are network drives really supported by 818 receiver or it has to be a real PC, not just a network drive?

From p. 108 in the OM:

USB Device Requirements-
• USB mass storage device class (but not always
guaranteed).
• FAT16 or FAT32 file system format.

Server Requirements-
■Server playback
The AV receiver can play digital music files stored on a
computer or media server and supports the following
technologies:
• Windows Media Player 11
• Windows Media Player 12
• Windows Media Connect 2.0
• DLNA-certified media server

I use a DLNA-certified Netork Attached Storage (connected via ethernet, not USB). It runs Twonky. Using Onkyo's Android app I can select a 96/24 flac or WAV audio file and it's playing on the 818 in less than 3 seconds with no skips, ever.
post #7618 of 9532
I have a question about the two HDMI outs on the 818: I have a TV and a projector and with the 616 in the setup menu I set HDMI out to "BOTH" so both TV and projector get picture simultanousely (HDMI mirroring). I will get the 818 tomorrow and I wanted to know if there is a better way to handle both HDMI outs with the 818 or is it the same as with the 616? Can I switch HDMI outs with the remote?

Or asked differently: Is it possible to manage the 818 in a way, that e.g. when I select BD/DVD as input he always chooses the HDMI MAIN out and when I select GAME1 he chooses HDMI SUB out?
Edited by Fox Mulder87 - 7/28/13 at 1:20am
post #7619 of 9532
Ran the calibration again and audyssey set the fronts and center crossover at 40 and the surrounds at 60. I listened to a few things and switched all speakers to 80. I definitely like the "feel" of it set on 80. I also setup the two subs as you instructed. Worked out great. Thanks for your help Node!
post #7620 of 9532
Is there a way to enable dynamic volume from the remte without going into menues. some sort of enable/disable butten?
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