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post #8221 of 9466
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Originally Posted by Fishtank View Post



Without knowing your denon specifically you will likely gain very little to nothing.

While I'm more that satisfied with using my 818's internal amps, the $800 I spent mostly went to Audyseey / THX / HDMI ports.... licensing and connectivity. You generally pre-amp to quality power or don't bother.

Unless you just want a few more channels powered, at which case your gonna run an entire Denon avr just to get 2 extra channels, going from the Denon to the Onkyo makes even less sense as you loose the 818's processing.... which is why you bought it.

Thanx for info. Thing goes like this I have 5.2 system with big front AR9, surr Mission MX6, cen Kef R600, 2x active subwoofers mission & jamo. When I go over 75 volume sound get so harsh and distorted its pissing me off. Its like amp can process some hard music HM :)

 

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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post


Well, what do you think you will achieve by doing this? Why did you get the 818 if you want to use the other unit?

No I dont whant to have 818 as preamp for 3802 (its opposite) I will first kill my self than do that.

post #8222 of 9466
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Hehe. I just hope mine is G2G smile.gif

the 809 I bought my Dad is still kicking, he is at 12 months.
Had my 818 around 14 months and no issues at all.
post #8223 of 9466
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Originally Posted by EternalFlame View Post

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Originally Posted by Fishtank View Post

Without knowing your denon specifically you will likely gain very little to nothing.


While I'm more that satisfied with using my 818's internal amps, the $800 I spent mostly went to Audyseey / THX / HDMI ports.... licensing and connectivity. You generally pre-amp to quality power or don't bother.


Unless you just want a few more channels powered, at which case your gonna run an entire Denon avr just to get 2 extra channels, going from the Denon to the Onkyo makes even less sense as you loose the 818's processing.... which is why you bought it.
Thanx for info. Thing goes like this I have 5.2 system with big front AR9, surr Mission MX6, cen Kef R600, 2x active subwoofers mission & jamo. When I go over 75 volume sound get so harsh and distorted its pissing me off. Its like amp can process some hard music HM smile.gif
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Well, what do you think you will achieve by doing this? Why did you get the 818 if you want to use the other unit?
No I dont whant to have 818 as preamp for 3802 (its opposite) I will first kill my self than do that.

I thought I was the only one suffering from harsh and distorted sound, especially the tweeters, on my AR-9s. I pulled mine offline so as to prevent any more damage, if they indeed are now damaged from the 818. I plan to integrate an old JVC M-3030 amp and let it power the AR-9s to see what happens with the sound. The 818 made them sound so bad. I performed a reset of the 818 and there was no improvement in the AR-9s. The 818 works really well with my 2.2 NHT VT-2's.
Have you found a solution to your AR-9 distortion problem? I would be very interested in your fix...
post #8224 of 9466
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Originally Posted by EternalFlame View Post

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Originally Posted by Fishtank View Post

Without knowing your denon specifically you will likely gain very little to nothing.


While I'm more that satisfied with using my 818's internal amps, the $800 I spent mostly went to Audyseey / THX / HDMI ports.... licensing and connectivity. You generally pre-amp to quality power or don't bother.


Unless you just want a few more channels powered, at which case your gonna run an entire Denon avr just to get 2 extra channels, going from the Denon to the Onkyo makes even less sense as you loose the 818's processing.... which is why you bought it.
Thanx for info. Thing goes like this I have 5.2 system with big front AR9, surr Mission MX6, cen Kef R600, 2x active subwoofers mission & jamo. When I go over 75 volume sound get so harsh and distorted its pissing me off. Its like amp can process some hard music HM smile.gif
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Well, what do you think you will achieve by doing this? Why did you get the 818 if you want to use the other unit?
No I dont whant to have 818 as preamp for 3802 (its opposite) I will first kill my self than do that.

Yes, I understood you wanted to use the 3802 as preamp, re-read my first response to you where you could use the 3802 as preamp for only 2 channels due to the limitations on the 818. The question is what do you think you will achieve by using the 3802 as pre-amp for two channels? Just to use the 818 as amp for the AR9s? Is it the 3802 where you currently run into issues with harsh sound at "75"?
post #8225 of 9466
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Originally Posted by boidsonly View Post


I thought I was the only one suffering from harsh and distorted sound, especially the tweeters, on my AR-9s. I pulled mine offline so as to prevent any more damage, if they indeed are now damaged from the 818. I plan to integrate an old JVC M-3030 amp and let it power the AR-9s to see what happens with the sound. The 818 made them sound so bad. I performed a reset of the 818 and there was no improvement in the AR-9s. The 818 works really well with my 2.2 NHT VT-2's.
Have you found a solution to your AR-9 distortion problem? I would be very interested in your fix...

You have AR9 :) cool I love the speakers and they sound great with my denon 3802. No fix yet but I m in beginning of playing with 818.

 

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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post


Yes, I understood you wanted to use the 3802 as preamp, re-read my first response to you where you could use the 3802 as preamp for only 2 channels due to the limitations on the 818. The question is what do you think you will achieve by using the 3802 as pre-amp for two channels? Just to use the 818 as amp for the AR9s? Is it the 3802 where you currently run into issues with harsh sound at "75"?

Yes no point for preamp only 2 channels was hoping that I can use 3802 to give more juice to 818 but I will satisfy (for now) with what I m having. No harsh sound goes with 818, on 80-90 sound is unbearable like THD is 40%, really!

post #8226 of 9466
Hey guys, I recently got this receiver and have been really liking it so far but have a few questions about the sub eq abilities.

I'm planning on going the DIY route for a sub build using two SI18's powered by a an EP4000. I'm not sure whether or not I should build two separate boxes or put them both in a single enclosure. I don't really want to deal with manual EQing at this point and was hoping the MultEQ XT32 could handle it. I know this 818 doesn't have the multi sub EQ add on, but is there a way to get this receiver to EQ two subs or should I just stick with one box? Also does anyone how this version of Audyssey stacks up compared to a physical sub EQ like a miniDSP?
post #8227 of 9466
It will handle one sub eq well .
post #8228 of 9466
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Originally Posted by JaceMasterson View Post

Hey guys, I recently got this receiver and have been really liking it so far but have a few questions about the sub eq abilities.

I'm planning on going the DIY route for a sub build using two SI18's powered by a an EP4000. I'm not sure whether or not I should build two separate boxes or put them both in a single enclosure. I don't really want to deal with manual EQing at this point and was hoping the MultEQ XT32 could handle it. I know this 818 doesn't have the multi sub EQ add on, but is there a way to get this receiver to EQ two subs or should I just stick with one box? Also does anyone how this version of Audyssey stacks up compared to a physical sub EQ like a miniDSP?

I can't speak to a comparason with miniDSP, but I can tell you that from my experience Audyssey on the 818 does an excellent job of EQing miltiple subs. It got me to +/- 4 dB from 15-80 Hz with dual subs in separate locations.
post #8229 of 9466
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Originally Posted by NODES View Post

Oh boy....here we go again. It is not the heat that killed your unit, its the crappy HDMI board that was put in it

Onkyo + HDMI = mad.gif

Mine is in the shop now with the HDMI board being changed. When speaking to Onkyo I mentioned that it seemed to be the HDMI board and the known issue with it and the 818! Onkyo said that they did not know of any known issues with its HDMI board! I said maybe you should check some of the AV forums and get enlightened! Denial!
post #8230 of 9466
Out of curiosity, what happens when the HDMI board goes (so I know)? Do you lose one or two ports or does it crap out all together? I assume you then pack her up and UPS to a repair site? Hopefully since its just the board its a quick turn around.
post #8231 of 9466
On my Integra 80.2 I lost sound after intermitten HDMI handshake issues? not sure what issues there would be with a two year later model.
post #8232 of 9466
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Originally Posted by fokakis1 View Post

I can't speak to a comparason with miniDSP, but I can tell you that from my experience Audyssey on the 818 does an excellent job of EQing miltiple subs. It got me to +/- 4 dB from 15-80 Hz with dual subs in separate locations.

There was a step by step guide on eq-ing multiple subs with the 818 but I can't locate it.

Would you happen to know the method?
post #8233 of 9466
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Originally Posted by colleycol View Post

There was a step by step guide on eq-ing multiple subs with the 818 but I can't locate it.

Would you happen to know the method?

If you are talking about this tutorial, it doesn't deal with EQing per se -- just the setup and level adjustment.

As for the original question, on my setup I find that the 818 does a good enough job EQing the subs and I don't feel like EQing with the MiniDSP on top of it is worth the hassle, except notably that I like using a single PEQ as a low-pass shelf filter to raise the very low frequencies a bit in the shape of a gentle house curve. This can also help in trading headroom for extension, which Audyssey won't try to do.
post #8234 of 9466
so it appears we are having some hdmi board failures popping up as of late. I just can't believe were still talking about this still in 13'
post #8235 of 9466
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Originally Posted by airgas1998 View Post

so it appears we are having some hdmi board failures popping up as of late. I just can't believe were still talking about this still in 13'


As the saying goes...

"the more things change, the more they stay the same"
post #8236 of 9466
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Originally Posted by NODES View Post


As the saying goes...

"the more things change, the more they stay the same"

But the "things" did not changed at all - latest Onkyo`s is based on the same chips as old brothers - particularly TI Aureus DA830, source of the infamous "no sound" problem.

post #8237 of 9466
I was told the newest boards did fix the problem. What is used in the latest integra 60.5 series?
post #8238 of 9466
Ive read they 828 and the other 2013 models have the "fix". To be honest, I did not really worry about it. I got this 818 for under $800 which is a helluva price IMHO and so far Im very happy with its performance.
post #8239 of 9466
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Ive read they 828 and the other 2013 models have the "fix". To be honest, I did not really worry about it. I got this 818 for under $800 which is a helluva price IMHO and so far Im very happy with its performance.

I as well.
post #8240 of 9466
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Ive read they 828 and the other 2013 models have the "fix". To be honest, I did not really worry about it. I got this 818 for under $800 which is a helluva price IMHO and so far Im very happy with its performance.

$749 right now at Crutchfields. Mine should arrive tomorrow.

Replacing a Denon 3808 which I have no problem with, but I specifically wanted to get XT32.

Brian
post #8241 of 9466
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Out of curiosity, what happens when the HDMI board goes (so I know)? Do you lose one or two ports or does it crap out all together? I assume you then pack her up and UPS to a repair site? Hopefully since its just the board its a quick turn around.

I also want to know the same. Anybody?
post #8242 of 9466
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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek View Post

Out of curiosity, what happens when the HDMI board goes (so I know)? Do you lose one or two ports or does it crap out all together? I assume you then pack her up and UPS to a repair site? Hopefully since its just the board its a quick turn around.

Well for me, it didn't completely die. It stopped switching inputs, still had sound and video. The repair time is 7-10 days plus shipping time. They email onkyo for the part request, then place the order.

I couldn't even buy the part, they won't sell it to a non service center. Complete nonsense, no reason for that.

Edit: I should add that the bigger issue for me was that when the HDMI board blew, it blew out my Sharp as well. I was lucky that the TV is still under warranty. The real sucky part is that Sharp only has one board in there tv's, so my ISF cal is now gone.

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Edited by skybolt - 10/10/13 at 4:36pm
post #8243 of 9466
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Originally Posted by YDR05 View Post

I also want to know the same. Anybody?

Handshake issues and sound cuts out...is 2 other symptoms
post #8244 of 9466
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Originally Posted by NODES View Post

Handshake issues and sound cuts out...is 2 other symptoms

I never realized it, but now that you mention it. The sound cutting in/out alot is definetly an issue. It even happens when the receiver is acting as a pass through. I allways though my HTPC was messed up, but since my TV has been fixed and directly hooked to the HTPC, it works perfect.
post #8245 of 9466

So, I have a question, and it might strike ya'll as a little bit odd, but here goes.

 

What happens if you tell the 818 that there's a subwoofer but you don't have one plugged in? Are you allowed to pick a crossover frequency, and then any signals that would normally be sent to the sub vanish off into the ether? Or does it somehow detect that there's no sub and run the speakers full range?

 

The reason I ask is, I live in an apartment and don't really want a sub right now so as not to unduly disturb the neighbors (also, cost). I'm looking at a set of speakers (either 2.0 or 3.0, depending on how many I get) that I'm not totally sure are safe to run full range. According to the manual for the 818, if you select the no-sub setting, the front speakers are set to full range automatically. I need to know I can run a crossover (into nothingness, really) to protect the speakers if I need to. I'm aware that if it works, I would be very much lacking in low-end punch.

 

Or am I totally overthinking this? I'm very new to audio in general.

post #8246 of 9466
When you run the set up the 818 will see that you haven't got a sub connected. AFAIK you can't then change the setting afterwards without re running set up. The only way you could 'cheat' this would be to borrow a sub then disconnect it after set up and adjust your crossovers to suit.
post #8247 of 9466
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Originally Posted by DarkForceRising View Post

So, I have a question, and it might strike ya'll as a little bit odd, but here goes.

What happens if you tell the 818 that there's a subwoofer but you don't have one plugged in? Are you allowed to pick a crossover frequency, and then any signals that would normally be sent to the sub vanish off into the ether? Or does it somehow detect that there's no sub and run the speakers full range?

The reason I ask is, I live in an apartment and don't really want a sub right now so as not to unduly disturb the neighbors (also, cost). I'm looking at a set of speakers (either 2.0 or 3.0, depending on how many I get) that I'm not totally sure are safe to run full range. According to the manual for the 818, if you select the no-sub setting, the front speakers are set to full range automatically. I need to know I can run a crossover (into nothingness, really) to protect the speakers if I need to. I'm aware that if it works, I would be very much lacking in low-end punch.

Or am I totally overthinking this? I'm very new to audio in general.

I have often wondered this my self. I would like to know the answer also.
post #8248 of 9466
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Originally Posted by DarkForceRising View Post

So, I have a question, and it might strike ya'll as a little bit odd, but here goes.

What happens if you tell the 818 that there's a subwoofer but you don't have one plugged in? Are you allowed to pick a crossover frequency, and then any signals that would normally be sent to the sub vanish off into the ether? Or does it somehow detect that there's no sub and run the speakers full range?

The reason I ask is, I live in an apartment and don't really want a sub right now so as not to unduly disturb the neighbors (also, cost). I'm looking at a set of speakers (either 2.0 or 3.0, depending on how many I get) that I'm not totally sure are safe to run full range. According to the manual for the 818, if you select the no-sub setting, the front speakers are set to full range automatically. I need to know I can run a crossover (into nothingness, really) to protect the speakers if I need to. I'm aware that if it works, I would be very much lacking in low-end punch.

Or am I totally overthinking this? I'm very new to audio in general.
The calibration asks for a Sub, so if it's not present it will fail. I can't say if you can alter the speakers crossovers without a Sub but I don't see why not. It goes all the way up to 200Hz.
post #8249 of 9466
The calibration asks for a sub, but without the calibration you should be able to set it to whatever you like. I know this how it works on my kids Onkyo 313
post #8250 of 9466
Anyone using the redmere cables with an Onkyo? I figure it should work fine, but thought Id ask anyways.
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