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post #8311 of 9491
Also reading Rule 1 on the pinball site, they make this statement:

"If an input's Picture Mode is set to Direct, it overrides the Monitor Out: Resolution setting and the 818 HDMI output will be the same as the source's input".

I take it if the individual input is set to Direct, the Global resolution setting doesn't matter.

This is where I like a Denon, you just turn video conversion on or off, its simple.
post #8312 of 9491
I agree. The Onkyo UX / UI (user experience / user interface) people need to be fired.

Their options make little sense. I spent a good amount of time trying to figure it out ... Their documentation is quite poor.
post #8313 of 9491
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Originally Posted by mo1 View Post

I have a Onkyo TX-818 receiver, it is setup as 9.1 with wides and 4 surrounds as well as the fronts and centre etc. etc. when i play Transformers 3 blu ray in Tru HD 7.1 all is fine, if i change the amp to
Audessey DSX or DTS NEO X when the film starts with the flying stars and the sound travels through all the speakers, i get no sound in the 2 back speakers. any ideas why this could be happening, amp is setup correctly via audessey etc surrounds backs are ruuning off an external amp
any ideas at all.
thanks


try Audessey movie DSX
post #8314 of 9491
I've tried all the different modes for 9.1W its still the same.
post #8315 of 9491
Suggestions for Zone 2 + powered amp for 9.1.

Currently I am running with 9 speakers wired for my Home Theater, and toggling sometime to try out the height vs the rears. I can add an external amp for the additional 2 speakers and everything work fine for the HT.

But I am also using a zone 2 for the living room speakers. Mainly I have an airport connected to the Onkyo to stream music from an iTunes device. This work works quite nice with the RF harmony remote being able to turn the Onkyo on and off and control the volume, so I can control most things from the living room.

However, when you add the external amp for the 8th and 9th speaker, you can't have a powered zone 2. You only get the line level-out from the Onkyo with no volume control! So not only do you need another amp for zone 2 you also don't have a pre-amp for volume control. So what's the point of going through the Onkyo anymore? Is there any elegant way to add the additional speakers to the HT and still have a useful Zone 2?

At this point I am thinking maybe I should just get class-t amp with a volume knob for the living room for the back ground music that is played there.
post #8316 of 9491
A zone 2 related circumstance as the above post
"Currently I am running with 9 speakers wired for my Home Theater, and toggling sometime to try out the height vs the rears. I can add an external amp for the additional 2 speakers and everything work fine for the HT,
I have used the zone 2 outs and that worked, but In now face the same workaround for the zone 2 set-up. Getting up and adjusting the volume is the current answer.

What you may know is : my current addition, an Emotiva UPA 7 to run my surrounds while the 818 runs the mains. Its still an external amp.
?. I don't suspect my brand new trigger cable but it could be.

What am I missing about being able to trigger that amp?.
post #8317 of 9491
Quote:
Originally Posted by asarose247 View Post

A zone 2 related circumstance as the above post
"Currently I am running with 9 speakers wired for my Home Theater, and toggling sometime to try out the height vs the rears. I can add an external amp for the additional 2 speakers and everything work fine for the HT,
I have used the zone 2 outs and that worked, but In now face the same workaround for the zone 2 set-up. Getting up and adjusting the volume is the current answer.

What you may know is : my current addition, an Emotiva UPA 7 to run my surrounds while the 818 runs the mains. Its still an external amp.
?. I don't suspect my brand new trigger cable but it could be.

What am I missing about being able to trigger that amp?.


you need to setup trigger using either zone 2 or 3 on harmony remote or using a green power bar.
post #8318 of 9491
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Originally Posted by mo1 View Post

I've tried all the different modes for 9.1W its still the same.

You can try resetting amp and starting from scratch there must be a setting messing with what you are trying to do.
post #8319 of 9491
you need to setup trigger using either zone 2 or 3 on harmony remote or using a green power bar.
Thnaks, I'll aASSEMBLE SOME PARTS AND GIVE IT A TRY.

Late Edit: Chad at Emotiva suggested Niles, which turned out to be a Niles CS 12 trigger device for around $175 or so. YMMV
Edited by asarose247 - 10/24/13 at 11:07pm
post #8320 of 9491
Quote:
Originally Posted by asarose247 View Post

you need to setup trigger using either zone 2 or 3 on harmony remote or using a green power bar.
Thnaks, I'll aASSEMBLE SOME PARTS AND GIVE IT A TRY.

Late Edit: Chad at Emotiva suggested Niles, which turned out to be a Niles CS 12 trigger device for around $175 or so. YMMV


Nah go the harmony route for less then $175, way too much money.

I personally use the harmony route and it works perfectly.
post #8321 of 9491
!Well I finally set up my repaired 818 and everyone on this site knows how much time it takes to set up and make all of the adjustments in configuring the system. I finished and when I let it lose it blew me away! I had forgotten just how good it was having to deal with the HDMI board issues. Glad I took the time and expense to ship it in for service. They replaced the processing board and software up to specs. Like brand new! However now I have to sell my brand new Yamaha RX-A730 7.2 that I used for the month mine was gone. It was well worth it?,
post #8322 of 9491
"I personally use the harmony route and it works perfectly."

Which model Harmony would you recommend?
Besides the 818 I have a Mitsy 73673 and Direct TV , an Xbox and PS32 and a sony BD/3d upscale and some net and T drives.
post #8323 of 9491
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Originally Posted by NODES View Post

You can try resetting amp and starting from scratch there must be a setting messing with what you are trying to do.

I done a cold reset. Installed latest firmware which took about 50 mins. Restarted amp done another cold reset and rerun audessey etc which went through the calibration found all the speakers and set them accordingly. Still have same problem. It just seems to either not support surround backs when playing a 7.1 movie in 9.1 w mode or a bug. Can't get any sense out of onkyo. If someone has a Similar setup with front wides and surround backs can you please try Transformers 3 the intro scene with the logo and stars flying across the screen and play it in Audessey Dsx 9.1 w or DTS Neo X 9.1 w and let me know if the robotic sound travels through all the 4 surround speakers.
Not sure what else I can try.
Thanks
post #8324 of 9491
Quote:
Originally Posted by asarose247 View Post

"I personally use the harmony route and it works perfectly."

Which model Harmony would you recommend?
Besides the 818 I have a Mitsy 73673 and Direct TV , an Xbox and PS32 and a sony BD/3d upscale and some net and T drives.

I use the following, and it doesn't cost anything extra.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412714/onkyo-tx-nr818-official-owners-thread-discussion/8190#post_23809055
post #8325 of 9491
Can anyone recommend a good amp to go with my 818.

I have 2 Martin Logan motion 12s
4 Martin Logan motion 10s
2 dynamo 500 subs
1 klipsch rw-12d sub

I'm looking to run my front 3 off a amp
post #8326 of 9491
Quote:
Originally Posted by asarose247 View Post

"I personally use the harmony route and it works perfectly."

Which model Harmony would you recommend?
Besides the 818 I have a Mitsy 73673 and Direct TV , an Xbox and PS32 and a sony BD/3d upscale and some net and T drives.


I use the Harmony one and 900. The ONE is a bit cheaper.
post #8327 of 9491
Dont know if the specific problem has been reported again in this huge thread again:

The situation is the following. On hdmi input 6 i have my always online pc. On hdmi input 4 i have my media player (popcorn A400).
Lately when i am watching a movie on my popcorn media player, i have random hdmi lockout (no audio and video for 1 second).
This happens randomly (might happen 1 time at 30 mins for example).

What i have realised is that if i reboot my always online pc, my popcorn media player stops having hdmi issues. And they reappear some days later (maybe 5-6 days)
How come a source on another hdmi input affects another device?
post #8328 of 9491
Quote:
Originally Posted by asarose247 View Post

"I personally use the harmony route and it works perfectly."

Which model Harmony would you recommend?
Besides the 818 I have a Mitsy 73673 and Direct TV , an Xbox and PS32 and a sony BD/3d upscale and some net and T drives.

You may want to also consider the Harmony Smart Control. And for the receiver itself, there is the Oremote if you have an iPod, iPhone or iPad..
post #8329 of 9491
Hey Guys,

Onkyo 818 / Polk owner here with some interesting results on Audyssey calibrations. I have an Emotiva XPA-5 that I've been using -- it's driving a pair of Polk RTiA 9s, CSiA6 center, and FXi6 surrounds. My subwoofers are dual PSA XS15's. Here were the trim levels on the speakers with the XPA-5:

Front L/R: -2.5db / 40hz crossover
Center: -2.0db / 40hz crossover
Surround L/R -5.5db / 40hz crossover

Now, I adjusted all of the crossovers to 80hz and everything sounded great. Out of curiousity this weekend, I hooked up the speakers directly to the 818 and re-ran Audyssey (twice). My results both times:

Front L/R: -3.5db / 40hz crossover
Center: -3.5db / 40hz crossover
Surround L/R -6.5db / 40hz crossover

Now, I'm relatively new at this, but doesn't the larger -db number represent more headroom via the 818 amps compared to the 200w a channel XPA-5? Am I missing something here?
post #8330 of 9491
Quote:
Originally Posted by chadwick537 View Post

Hey Guys,

Onkyo 818 / Polk owner here with some interesting results on Audyssey calibrations. I have an Emotiva XPA-5 that I've been using -- it's driving a pair of Polk RTiA 9s, CSiA6 center, and FXi6 surrounds. My subwoofers are dual PSA XS15's. Here were the trim levels on the speakers with the XPA-5:

Front L/R: -2.5db / 40hz crossover
Center: -2.0db / 40hz crossover
Surround L/R -5.5db / 40hz crossover

Now, I adjusted all of the crossovers to 80hz and everything sounded great. Out of curiousity this weekend, I hooked up the speakers directly to the 818 and re-ran Audyssey (twice). My results both times:

Front L/R: -3.5db / 40hz crossover
Center: -3.5db / 40hz crossover
Surround L/R -6.5db / 40hz crossover

Now, I'm relatively new at this, but doesn't the larger -db number represent more headroom via the 818 amps compared to the 200w a channel XPA-5? Am I missing something here?

 

The Emo amps gain structure is likely different to that of the internal 818 amps. Audyssey will adjust the trims to give Reference Level at the speakers. 1dB difference is insignificant and nothing to be concerned about.  Headroom isn't affected.

post #8331 of 9491
Hey folks,

Just wanted to share my experience with doing an Onkyo 818 USB upgrade.

I purchased my 818 earlier this year, and I did see that I had a few challenges with the output (frames, judder, etc)

So... I waited and finally ran the USB upgrade this weekend.


My 818 was running firmware 1100-7101-0100-0000 , which was the last network based update.

I downloaded 1131-1104-0201-0000 (file name ONKAVR000E_MAMAMAMAM9MAMA_116.zip) and followed the instructions that are available.

( downloads at the download tab: http://us.onkyo.com/Products/model.php?m=TX-NR818&class=Receiver&source=prodClass )


My concerns:
  • that "something" might happen during the upgrade process, and
  • That jumping many revisions up might not be a good thing, and finally
  • That it would wipe out all my settings.

So, following all the instructions, still "something" did happen... The screen of the TV goes blank during the upgrade (process still continues displayed on the amp), and my TV powered off due to no signal.

Now that's kind of close to "don't change your connections during the upgrade" warning... but the good news was that there were no ill effects.


The part that was annoying was that at the end of the upgrade: it doesn't have something that comes up on the Amp display and stays there that says "Upgrade Done - Reboot now"... it just has a blank screen. So, if you are not around and watching it progress, just know that after 45 minutes of the USB upgrade, if you have a blank amp display that stays blank --- you are done. Power off, restart.

The good news is it kept all the settings. So that will allow me to play with the 60 / 24 FPS options without having to first redo all my basic connection options.

This is WAY easier than what I went through doing an upgrade on an 805 (custom dongle, etc.)

V.


tl;dr - If you are considering doing an upgrade, just do it, it's worth it and easy.
Edited by zebraitis - 10/28/13 at 4:48pm
post #8332 of 9491
Quote:
Originally Posted by asarose247 View Post

"I personally use the harmony route and it works perfectly."

Which model Harmony would you recommend?
Besides the 818 I have a Mitsy 73673 and Direct TV , an Xbox and PS32 and a sony BD/3d upscale and some net and T drives.


My .02 ... On my main system, I have everything stashed in a different room, behind the TV. So for me, I have the Harmony 900.

That thing is a champ. All the positive features of the Harmony One, but IR with an RF-to-RF-to-IR feature that lets me "see" through walls (well... at least, as far as an IR signal is concerned)

Highly recommend.
post #8333 of 9491

For anyone using the 818 with an amp, could you describe how you get the amp to turn on and off automatically with the Onkyo?

post #8334 of 9491
Quote:
Originally Posted by audio4life View Post

For anyone using the 818 with an amp, could you describe how you get the amp to turn on and off automatically with the Onkyo?

I'm using the Zone 2 trigger outs which are turned on/off my a macro in my Logitech remote.
post #8335 of 9491
Quote:
Originally Posted by audio4life View Post

For anyone using the 818 with an amp, could you describe how you get the amp to turn on and off automatically with the Onkyo?

Well, considering there is no switched power output on the back of the 818, there is no old-style simple way to do that.

However, going back to my positive comment of a programmable remote, that could be your simple alternative.

A third party remote (like Harmony One) can do this... Or the Onkyo Remote is programmable as well.

For the 818, check the documentation, page 84, on controlling other components

http://www.intl.onkyo.com/downloads/manuals/pdf/tx-nr818_manual_e.pdf
post #8336 of 9491

Oh, I think I read that before, sounds like it's not so hard.  I'm trying to decide between the Denon X4000 and Onkyo 818, which is so much cheaper yet you still get XT32 Audyssey.  I've only got one sub, and I wouldn't mind saving 500 or more!

post #8337 of 9491
I had a refurb X4000, which acted up so I sent it back and got the 818. Ive always owned Denon's, and I like my 818 a lot so far. Sounds good, can handle being pushed with my speakers, runs cool. My only complaint is the Denon menu is better IMO, especially with regards to making sure ALL video processing is off.

Id save the $$$ and get an 818.
post #8338 of 9491
When you say "runs cool", have you checked? My Integra DTC 9.8 ran about 30-35 degrees hotter than my new Onkyo TX-NR 929 and it has 9 internal amps!!
post #8339 of 9491
Its called placing my hand on top after a good, loud, 2 hour blu-ray. Onkyo seems to be cooler IMO than my 3313ci, but the Onkyo has fans. Denon has also started added this plastic crap over the metal on top, I assume because the metal gets hot.

The overall shell temp does not feel what I would call "hot", compared to previous Denon and Onkyo experience.
post #8340 of 9491
Hi Guys.
Sorry for asking, but I didnt want to have to rifle through 279 pages of this thread. I am currently running a 7.2 setup with the 818 and I just bought a new Emotiva XPA-5 gen2 amp. I want to power the LCR, and Side Surrounds with it, and let the receiver power the Surround Rears and eventually Front Heights when I get the speakers mounted.
Cant I do this? I dont understand what the menu means when you go in to Pre Out to Amplifier screen. It doesnt give the option of sending the preout signal for the 5 speakers I want to power with the amp. It only has 3 different configurations Surr Back, Front High, Front Wide. I look at the manual on page 59 and it is about a vague as it gets on how to set this up. Did I screw up and buy a beautiful 5 channel amp when I should have bought a smaller 2 channel and used it just for the front heights? I want to use the new amp to do the heavy lifting and have the receiver use its power for speakers that dont output as much sound..

Im confused. frown.gif

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