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post #8581 of 9466
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Originally Posted by cytoSiN View Post

Thanks. Sorry for the ignorant questions. Been reading that entire post since I saw KBarnes' post above. A lot of good info there. Thanks again.

Your questions certainly aren't ignorant. As you can see from the links that I posted, there are few hard and fast rules and a lot of differing theories which comes down to trying different options and ultimately, your preference.

As a matter of fact, after researching those links, I forgot about R Dressler's position on the 80Hz setting which I previously had been using, But after numerous AVR resets and calibration runs, had defaulted to120Hz. I just went in and changed it back to 80 while enjoying 'Breakfast with the Beatles', a Sunday staple in my house, on a local radio station.
Edited by Patrick Murphy - 12/8/13 at 9:50am
post #8582 of 9466
I'm going to try setting everythinat 80 (including the LFP/LFE), and see how I like it. Interestingly, I reran Audessy this morning with all 8 positions, and it set all of my speakers to 40, which it's never done before.
post #8583 of 9466
anyone seen the 818 at 599 shipped recent, I want to buy one me thinks
post #8584 of 9466
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

Hi Ralph,

Early on with my 818, I would turn on the AVR, Directv box and the projector one after another and occasionally I wouldn't get any sound. Then I started with the Directv and AVR only until the 'HDMI startup' message went off on the front panel, then I'd turn on the projector. In a year or so, the problem has never come back. It might be that the HDMI board gets overloaded with more than one input at a time.

Greetings,

Thanks Patrick. Unfortunately this problem isn't occasional and no tweaking of the order manages it. At present no matter what there is no sound upon initial start up. It does work just fine after a power recycle but I don't know how long that will continue to be the case.


Regards,
post #8585 of 9466
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post



What would be really optimal would be obtaining a more competent sub... Not to knock the little boy, but it is only an 8" sub and the laws of physics are what they are.

What subs would you recommend? Talked to SVS about their PB12-NSD, but shipping to Japan is half as much as the sub itself.....
post #8586 of 9466
I'm hoping someone can help me. I followed this thread alot a couple years ago, but I missed quite a bit, so please bear with me if this question has been asked before. I have the receiver set up with a ps3 and pvr as inputs, using him cables. Today I went and bought a set of speakers to use in zone 2, just set up to the receiver, no additional amping . Installed everything, enabled zone 2 in the menu, selected zone 2 and it shows on the display. Set zone 2 to source and adjusted volume to zone 2. I am getting no sound out of zone 2 but if I put my ear right to the speaker you can faintly hear the music. Any suggestions?
post #8587 of 9466
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Originally Posted by Lastyear4gt View Post

I'm hoping someone can help me. I followed this thread alot a couple years ago, but I missed quite a bit, so please bear with me if this question has been asked before. I have the receiver set up with a ps3 and pvr as inputs, using him cables. Today I went and bought a set of speakers to use in zone 2, just set up to the receiver, no additional amping . Installed everything, enabled zone 2 in the menu, selected zone 2 and it shows on the display. Set zone 2 to source and adjusted volume to zone 2. I am getting no sound out of zone 2 but if I put my ear right to the speaker you can faintly hear the music. Any suggestions?

First do you have the speakers on the correct speaker terminals per the manual?

 

Zone 2 only supports analog sources and not digital.  So the AM/FM tuner or anything you have connect with analog (red/white) connections.  It does not support digital (HDMI, optical, etc).

post #8588 of 9466
Ok so to listen to music from my ps3 or pvr I would have to run analogue stereo connections from there to the receiver?
post #8589 of 9466
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Originally Posted by Lastyear4gt View Post

Ok so to listen to music from my ps3 or pvr I would have to run analogue stereo connections from there to the receiver?

correct

post #8590 of 9466
Awesome. Thanks a lot!
post #8591 of 9466
Ok so I went to fix this problem tonight. Unfortunately my ps3 doesn't have any stereo out connections, oh well, I'll just have to buy a cd player if I want.

I did however run stereo cables from the analogue out on my pvr to the receiver input. Now when I want to listen to the galaxy radio stations on the pvr I can. Awesome.

Here's my question: having 2 connections one being hdmi and analogue stereo L/R under the cab/sat function, will they interfere when watching TV, or will hdmi take priority automatically?
post #8592 of 9466
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Originally Posted by Lastyear4gt View Post

Ok so I went to fix this problem tonight. Unfortunately my ps3 doesn't have any stereo out connections, oh well, I'll just have to buy a cd player if I want.

I did however run stereo cables from the analogue out on my pvr to the receiver input. Now when I want to listen to the galaxy radio stations on the pvr I can. Awesome.

Here's my question: having 2 connections one being hdmi and analogue stereo L/R under the cab/sat function, will they interfere when watching TV, or will hdmi take priority automatically?

Without double checking I can't say 100% for certain, but I think you can choose which type of input to use but the default is Auto which will choose HDMI, then optical, then analog.  So should work fine without any changes, which seems to be what you are experiencing.

post #8593 of 9466
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post


For speaker protection yes, for line level switching not so much.
Seems like a rant over a nit. The statement "No amp should switch it's rail voltage at all. It is an abomination in the audio world." seems very old school to me given that I have a lot of favorable experience with class G amps that do this twice per output cycle with total sonic transparency in the real world and on the test bench.

In fact changing the rail voltages such as 4 ohm/8 ohm switches do generally has minimal effects on audible THD, and even not that much on actual measured THD all other things being equal. If you've got any contrary facts, I'd like to see them.
What adverse audible effects do you attribute to 4 ohm operation of this AVR?

Do you have reliable evidence such as a Power Cube test that backs up your claims?

http://ap.com/kb/show/206

 

You can draw all the pretty pictures you want solid state amplifiers have current ratings. Doing things like reducing available power, and or increasing negative feedback which I can only guess at as a way which one might low distortion levels is not good tech. THD distortion only tells part of the story regarding an amplifiers functioning. In fact many spectacular SS amplifiers have far higher THD measurements. Typically an amplifier with extremely low numbers has excessive amount of negative feedback. The best amps these days use none. No audio company worth it's salt uses these methods and for a reason. Pick a reviewer and write them a letter asking their opinion I'm not here to hold your hand. If you want to believe you have bought a stable amp feel free, or ask any licensed tech if this is a good method of doing anything other than protecting the amp and they will tell you emphatically no. When you do a little more research on house a solid state amplifier works and you should, you will understand without yours or someone else's pretty pictures it does not matter what color the map is it all leads to bad tech. It does not matter what you show me regarding measurement on a current limiting amplifier such as this. If this amplifier was properly benched in a proper setting in an unbiased test it would fail end of story. As I said if one wishes to buy crap and believe it is gold that is their prerogative. Doesn't mean it ain't still crap, and really I actually have said already as an 8 ohm rated amplifier it is not crap. I take no issue with the amp/receiver. I take issue with the company pawning it off as a 4 ohm rated amp by using some shifty wording in their features page. Again Onkyo will never get another dollar of mine just for that reason. Feel free to throw your money away just know your buying an 8 ohm rating from a shifty company.


Edited by Ryan Olinski - 12/9/13 at 7:27pm
post #8594 of 9466
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Originally Posted by Lastyear4gt View Post

Ok so I went to fix this problem tonight. Unfortunately my ps3 doesn't have any stereo out connections, oh well, I'll just have to buy a cd player if I want.

I did however run stereo cables from the analogue out on my pvr to the receiver input. Now when I want to listen to the galaxy radio stations on the pvr I can. Awesome.

Here's my question: having 2 connections one being hdmi and analogue stereo L/R under the cab/sat function, will they interfere when watching TV, or will hdmi take priority automatically?

I have my laptop connected via analog cables to my receiver and use itunes remote on my ipad to control music on zone 2 from my itunes library. Works great!
post #8595 of 9466
I just picked up a emotiva xpa-5. When I hook it up to my 818 and go to run audyssey don't have to change a u settings on the amp ok the first configuration screen? Like where you choose normal ,bi-amp etc etc?

Also when I hooked it up it still seems like I have to turn my avr up real high for it to get loud. Is this normal? Range from -10 to. 0ref on the avr?
post #8596 of 9466
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Originally Posted by Holiday121 View Post

I just picked up a emotiva xpa-5. When I hook it up to my 818 and go to run audyssey don't have to change a u settings on the amp ok the first configuration screen? Like where you choose normal ,bi-amp etc etc?

Also when I hooked it up it still seems like I have to turn my avr up real high for it to get loud. Is this normal? Range from -10 to. 0ref on the avr?

Were you expecting it to be any different loudness wise?

-10 from a calibrated reference 0 is going to be the same loudness no matter what available amp power you may have.
post #8597 of 9466
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Originally Posted by Holiday121 View Post

I just picked up a emotiva xpa-5. When I hook it up to my 818 and go to run audyssey don't have to change a u settings on the amp ok the first configuration screen? Like where you choose normal ,bi-amp etc etc?

Also when I hooked it up it still seems like I have to turn my avr up real high for it to get loud. Is this normal? Range from -10 to. 0ref on the avr?

 

As 67jason says, once the system is calibrated the whole point is that it plays at Reference level if this is possible with the particular amp/speakers etc. Reference level is 85dB Average and 105dB peak (115dB peak LFE). So if you are setting the MV at -10dB then that will give a pre-determined loudness which is 10dB below Reference.

 

The point of using a more powerful amplifier is that it will reach the given level more easily and with less danger of clipping (more headroom), not that you can set the MV lower.

post #8598 of 9466
I was just wondering if it would be louder. I still play a ref level.

But is their a certain setting I have to let the 818 know I'm using a amp?
post #8599 of 9466
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Originally Posted by Holiday121 View Post

I was just wondering if it would be louder. I still play a ref level.

But is their a certain setting I have to let the 818 know I'm using a amp?

There isn't on my Onkyo, though I don't have an 818.  On the volume issue, with the amp connected, are you having to turn up the volume level significantly higher than when just the receiver was driving the speakers?  And if so, by how much?

 

Going by memory and comparing the two volume levels might not be accurate, but I think it can give a ball park idea of the difference, if an obvious one exists.

post #8600 of 9466
Any setup help in this situation would be amazing.

Hi Guys,

So I inherited 5 B&W M1 Mini speakers mounted in surround sound with a PV1 Subwoofer. My father gave me his old Definitive BP2000TL towers. I just bought an Onkyo NR818 to power it all.

How best to set this up? The onkyo supports front high speakers (B&W?) and use the Definitive as main front L/R? if so. How do I wire that up? I saw this thread http://www.avsforum.com/t/1286941/definitive-technology-bp2000-wiring-help using biamp with the integrated sub. Using the integrated subs do I still need the PV1? What about LFE?


Thoughts?

Thank you,

Jay
post #8601 of 9466
Just got my unit back from repair.
It suddenly turned itself off after running for a couple of hours (at low volume) and wouldn't turn back on again. No standby light. Dead.

The worksheet says that the fault was traced to the standby relay (which has now been replaced). Haven't heard many cases of this particular fault, so hopefully its just bad luck, but it does make me wonder now about 'Hybrid Standby' and what impact that might have on that particular component over a long period.
post #8602 of 9466
I wonder if going to the 818, from a Marantz AV 7005 would be an upgrade in audio fidelity ? My 7005 does not have the latest version of Audyssey. Also, I have a terrible room for acoustics. I wouldn't be using the internal amps of the 818. I have a Parasound Halo A52 to handle that. I'm thinking it may be an upgrade for movies, but a compromise for music ??
post #8603 of 9466
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Originally Posted by jrhooper1963 View Post

I wonder if going to the 818, from a Marantz AV 7005 would be an upgrade in audio fidelity ? My 7005 does not have the latest version of Audyssey. Also, I have a terrible room for acoustics. I wouldn't be using the internal amps of the 818. I have a Parasound Halo A52 to handle that. I'm thinking it may be an upgrade for movies, but a compromise for music ??

 

Going to Audyssey XT32 is a very significant upgrade and for that alone I would recommend it - especially as you say your room is less than ideal. XT32 will improve your music as much as your movies.

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I posted this to Onkyo. Is there any1 here that can shed some light on this while I wait for an answer?

"Dear Onkyo

My Receiver seems to automatically switch its speaker impedance setting from 6 ohm to 4 ohm some 25-30mins after it has been turned on. I hear the relay in the receiver click when this happens. This is not the click-sound that comes from switching for example from stereo to surround, as it happens regardless of source/content/volume and in the middle enjoying for example TV, music, gaming or a Blu-ray disk. The fans are not on ether.

I have tried manually setting the receiver to 4 ohm (in “Speaker Impedance” under “Speaker Settings”) for a few weeks and heard no clicks during that period. As soon as I set the receiver manually to 6 ohm, it started clicking again after about 30min of being turned on.

When the receiver auto-switches from 6 to 4 ohms, the setting in the setup-menu still says 6 ohm. However, if I change it to 4 ohm I hear no relay-click, but when I set it back to 6 ohms the relay clicks and the receiver switches to 6ohm. From here on, I (as expected) hear clicks every time I manually change the setting back and forth from 6 to 4 ohms.
My speakers are 8ohm and I have the latest firmware.

My question is if the receiver is supposed to switch on its own? Does setting the receiver to 4 ohm cut the power/wattage in the receiver in half? - or what does it do exactly? And most importantly, can anything be done about this problem?

I hope you can help.
Sincerely
Jens"

Any1 got any ideas?
post #8605 of 9466
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Originally Posted by budtz View Post

I posted this to Onkyo. Is there any1 here that can shed some light on this while I wait for an answer?

"Dear Onkyo

My Receiver seems to automatically switch its speaker impedance setting from 6 ohm to 4 ohm some 25-30mins after it has been turned on. I hear the relay in the receiver click when this happens. This is not the click-sound that comes from switching for example from stereo to surround, as it happens regardless of source/content/volume and in the middle enjoying for example TV, music, gaming or a Blu-ray disk. The fans are not on ether.

I have tried manually setting the receiver to 4 ohm (in “Speaker Impedance” under “Speaker Settings”) for a few weeks and heard no clicks during that period. As soon as I set the receiver manually to 6 ohm, it started clicking again after about 30min of being turned on.

When the receiver auto-switches from 6 to 4 ohms, the setting in the setup-menu still says 6 ohm. However, if I change it to 4 ohm I hear no relay-click, but when I set it back to 6 ohms the relay clicks and the receiver switches to 6ohm. From here on, I (as expected) hear clicks every time I manually change the setting back and forth from 6 to 4 ohms.
My speakers are 8ohm and I have the latest firmware.

My question is if the receiver is supposed to switch on its own? Does setting the receiver to 4 ohm cut the power/wattage in the receiver in half? - or what does it do exactly? And most importantly, can anything be done about this problem?

I hope you can help.
Sincerely
Jens"

Any1 got any ideas?

Beginning around page 283 of this thread, Ryan Olinski notes having the same issue you described. I would read all of his posts and some from IgorZep too. Ryan sent his unit to a tech he knows, who is looking into the issue.
post #8606 of 9466
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

Beginning around page 283 of this thread, Ryan Olinski notes having the same issue you described. I would read all of his posts and some from IgorZep too. Ryan sent his unit to a tech he knows, who is looking into the issue.

Ok thx. I will be very interested in hearing what the tech has to say. I can confirm that my unit does this even without anything playing. If i turn the receiver on and nothing else. Just leave it there for 30 mins it will click – ether en stereo or pl2.

I got a respond from Onkyo saying that the unit wouldn’t do this on its own. Still all the signs point to it being this. Plus the temp always drops after It clicks.
I can also say that this issue is mensioned already in the second page I think of this thread. but with no resulution.
Edited by budtz - 12/13/13 at 2:51pm
post #8607 of 9466
Are you sure its not the fans kicking on?
post #8608 of 9466
New owner. How good is the headphone amp on the 818? Any late night listeners?
post #8609 of 9466
For those using a power amp, how are you getting past no 12 volt trigger for zone 1?
post #8610 of 9466
Budtz,

What type of speakers are you running with your 818?
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