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post #8791 of 9471
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Try it and see. I'm pretty sure you won't burn your house to the ground, but just try it. Play the content loud for an hour or so and report back...

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Originally Posted by kbreese View Post

lol, I'm not sure if you are joking or what. I guess I'll have to try and get the answer elsewhere as I usually don't prefer to roll the dice with thousands of dollars worth of equipment and speakers....or burning my house down, despite you being "pretty sure" wink.gif

Well I just ran some 4ohm speakers on mine from 5:30 tell about 9ish. It was powering 3 JTR Noesis 212's and 4 ED's cinema 6's. No one was harmed, no fire broke out, and it sounded FANTASTIC!

I have a local AVS friend that wanted to hear what XT32 would sound like in his room with 8 18" subs and the Noesis. Lets just say we were both very impressed. He's been working on his sub EQ with a mini-dsp for some time now. Audy got it right without any fuss at all. We used an Omnimic to check its work then used a bunch of clips we have be seeing a lot of lately to see how it compared. This was a great learning experience for both of us.
post #8792 of 9471
Oh and the Onkyo only got a bit warm to the touch. I wouldn't call it hot.
post #8793 of 9471
Greetings all,
Is there a general tips & tricks post for getting the most out of the 818? I just installed this beast to replaced my (very) old Onkyo, and I think this might be too much receiver for me right now lol. The only components I have running into it at the moment is an xbox 360, and an xbox one. The cable box runs into the XB1 and then out to the 818. This then feeds to my TV (Sony 55EX710)...using HDMI for all connections. My speaker setup is 5.1.

I ran the Audyssey set-up, and that seemed to calibrate the speakers nicely. There are just so many settings and different audio profiles, I don't know where to start.

Thanks in advance.
post #8794 of 9471
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Originally Posted by rdethloff View Post

Greetings all,
Is there a general tips & tricks post for getting the most out of the 818? I just installed this beast to replaced my (very) old Onkyo, and I think this might be too much receiver for me right now lol. The only components I have running into it at the moment is an xbox 360, and an xbox one. The cable box runs into the XB1 and then out to the 818. This then feeds to my TV (Sony 55EX710)...using HDMI for all connections. My speaker setup is 5.1.

I ran the Audyssey set-up, and that seemed to calibrate the speakers nicely. There are just so many settings and different audio profiles, I don't know where to start.

Thanks in advance.

Just turn it up loud and enjoy! I'm not sure if you have experience with Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume; if not, toggle them on and off and see if you like them engaged. My preference is to have them both off for Blu-rays and anything that has a quality soundtrack. I engage them for TV (Volume set to light) , well sports really, since there is so much inconsistency when it comes to TV broadcasts, it helps to bring the soundstage alive. The 818 does a good job of not completely minimizing the dynamic range when these are engaged, but the bass can be a little over the top - I usually make a quick adjustment to the sub levels to lower it to comfort. As for the DSP's (listening modes), I set it to straight decode (play the exact source) for Blu-rays and engage Dolby D EX for everything else. I occassionaly use DTS Neo:X; I don't care for anything else, especially not the THX modes.
post #8795 of 9471
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

Just turn it up loud and enjoy! I'm not sure if you have experience with Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume; if not, toggle them on and off and see if you like them engaged. My preference is to have them both off for Blu-rays and anything that has a quality soundtrack. I engage them for TV (Volume set to light) , well sports really, since there is so much inconsistency when it comes to TV broadcasts, it helps to bring the soundstage alive. The 818 does a good job of not completely minimizing the dynamic range when these are engaged, but the bass can be a little over the top - I usually make a quick adjustment to the sub levels to lower it to comfort. As for the DSP's (listening modes), I set it to straight decode (play the exact source) for Blu-rays and engage Dolby D EX for everything else. I occassionaly use DTS Neo:X; I don't care for anything else, especially not the THX modes.

Have you tried using the Audyssey Reference Level Offset that the 818 has?

I am still experimenting, but for general TV viewing, I find that a RLO of -10 or -15 allows me to leave DEQ and DVOL engaged without finding the bass overly exaggerated. I am also experimenting with the DVOL, between Light and Medium.
post #8796 of 9471
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Originally Posted by BGLeduc View Post

Have you tried using the Audyssey Reference Level Offset that the 818 has?

I am still experimenting, but for general TV viewing, I find that a RLO of -10 or -15 allows me to leave DEQ and DVOL engaged without finding the bass overly exaggerated. I am also experimenting with the DVOL, between Light and Medium.

Haven't tried that out yet, but I will have to give it a try. There are plenty of football games today and tomorrow for me to experiment! biggrin.gif
post #8797 of 9471
Maybe it's just me but I always watch regular TV with just the TV speakers. However, if your TV speakers are crappy I can see why, but my outgoing Mitsu WS-65813 had great speakers (for a TV), and my incoming panny VT60 is supposed to have decent speakers too.
post #8798 of 9471
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Originally Posted by kbreese View Post

Maybe it's just me but I always watch regular TV with just the TV speakers. However, if your TV speakers are crappy I can see why, but my outgoing Mitsu WS-65813 had great speakers (for a TV), and my incoming panny VT60 is supposed to have decent speakers too.

I watch most TV with my TV's speakers, but love to watch sports on surround sound. It really brings you further into the game and makes you feel like you are there. I'm sure you will like the VT60's speakers. I have the VT30 and it has the best speakers of any TV I've ever owned.
post #8799 of 9471
kbreese,

If the VT60 speakers are anything equivalent to the S60, that I own, you'll be much happier running those Polk LSi's.

I have my 818 in my 'theatre' room with 100 inch pj and 7.2 system. All are Polk Rti with vintage Polk front R/L towers. As much as I enjoy the fantastic picture on the S60 plasma with LG soundbar, it can't compare to the sonic bliss that the bigger system offers. I really enjoyed it this past Sunday while watching the Packers game. The surrounds were quite active all afternoon with crowd noise until the last 38 seconds when you could hear a pin drop after the Rodgers to Cobb TD. Soldier Field went deathly quiet but there was a lot of screaming and hollering coming from me. GO PACKERS.
post #8800 of 9471
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Originally Posted by Patrick Murphy View Post

kbreese,

If the VT60 speakers are anything equivalent to the S60, that I own, you'll be much happier running those Polk LSi's.

I have my 818 in my 'theatre' room with 100 inch pj and 7.2 system. All are Polk Rti with vintage Polk front R/L towers. As much as I enjoy the fantastic picture on the S60 plasma with LG soundbar, it can't compare to the sonic bliss that the bigger system offers. I really enjoyed it this past Sunday while watching the Packers game. The surrounds were quite active all afternoon with crowd noise until the last 38 seconds when you could hear a pin drop after the Rodgers to Cobb TD. Soldier Field went deathly quiet but there was a lot of screaming and hollering coming from me. GO PACKERS.

I'm not a Packers fan, but I did watch that game (best game on at that time) and it was sonic bliss. I am glad they beat the bears though; if only Dallas could have beat Philly! mad.gif

What settings are you using for TV, e.g., Dynamic EQ on/off?

Sounds like a nice setup, by the way.
post #8801 of 9471
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

I'm not a Packers fan, but I did watch that game (best game on at that time) and it was sonic bliss. I am glad they beat the bears though; if only Dallas could have beat Philly! mad.gif

What settings are you using for TV, e.g., Dynamic EQ on/off?

Sounds like a nice setup, by the way.

I would have liked to see Dallas beat Philly, too.

I use Dynamic EQ always with the Reference Level Offset at 10. No Dynamic volume as I don't have the need, no little kids, wife sleeps far away and no adjoining neighbors. I use DSX with WIDE speaker setup.

Thanks, it does sound nice. I recently was in contact with sanjay (forum name; sdurani) for some help with dual sub placement and after he walked me through, very patiently, I might add, using the Harman room mode analyzer, I wound up tweaking R/L/C speaker placement and it really shines now. It was good before but now it's better.

Happy New Year.
post #8802 of 9471
Since the output zone 2 connection on the back of the receiver is for either the front high or Front wides (forget which) can I run a 7.2 setup off the receiver with surrounds and rears and when not in use run the zone 2 off the same receiver or maybe even a 5.2 when zone 2 is in use
post #8803 of 9471
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Originally Posted by PolishDude View Post

Since the output zone 2 connection on the back of the receiver is for either the front high or Front wides (forget which) can I run a 7.2 setup off the receiver with surrounds and rears and when not in use run the zone 2 off the same receiver or maybe even a 5.2 when zone 2 is in use

Yes. I have mine setup as 7.1, with back surrounds, and I have Zone 2 setup (on front wide terminals). You can listen to 7.2 in the main listening area with zone 2 off, and 5.2 in the main listening area with zone 2 on.
post #8804 of 9471
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

Just turn it up loud and enjoy! I'm not sure if you have experience with Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume; if not, toggle them on and off and see if you like them engaged. My preference is to have them both off for Blu-rays and anything that has a quality soundtrack. I engage them for TV (Volume set to light) , well sports really, since there is so much inconsistency when it comes to TV broadcasts, it helps to bring the soundstage alive. The 818 does a good job of not completely minimizing the dynamic range when these are engaged, but the bass can be a little over the top - I usually make a quick adjustment to the sub levels to lower it to comfort. As for the DSP's (listening modes), I set it to straight decode (play the exact source) for Blu-rays and engage Dolby D EX for everything else. I occassionaly use DTS Neo:X; I don't care for anything else, especially not the THX modes.

straight decode?? Is that when u pick one of the modes that don't have stereo, mono etc in front of it??
post #8805 of 9471
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Originally Posted by MassConfusion View Post

straight decode?? Is that when u pick one of the modes that don't have stereo, mono etc in front of it??

No, it just means that it is a straight decode of the soure, e.g., if the Blu-ray has a 5.1 DTS HD-MA soundtrack, that is what is decoded and output. In other words, no DSP is being applied to the source soundtrack, it's being decoded and output exactly how it was encoded.
post #8806 of 9471
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post
 
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Originally Posted by MassConfusion View Post

straight decode?? Is that when u pick one of the modes that don't have stereo, mono etc in front of it??

No, it just means that it is a straight decode of the soure, e.g., if the Blu-ray has a 5.1 DTS HD-MA soundtrack, that is what is decoded and output. In other words, no DSP is being applied to the source soundtrack, it's being decoded and output exactly how it was encoded.

 

And worth mentioning that when Direct is engaged all Audyssey room correction is turned off. As is bass management. In fact, all digital processing is turned off. Something to bear in mind when engaging Direct mode.


Edited by kbarnes701 - 12/31/13 at 12:24pm
post #8807 of 9471
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

No, it just means that it is a straight decode of the soure, e.g., if the Blu-ray has a 5.1 DTS HD-MA soundtrack, that is what is decoded and output. In other words, no DSP is being applied to the source soundtrack, it's being decoded and output exactly how it was encoded.
So forgive my noob-ness. Is there a special setting for this? I usually just hit the movie button on the remote till I find a mode I like. Or do I keep hitting that movie button till I come accross what matches the back of the dvd case?
post #8808 of 9471
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Originally Posted by MassConfusion View Post

So forgive my noob-ness. Is there a special setting for this? I usually just hit the movie button on the remote till I find a mode I like. Or do I keep hitting that movie button till I come accross what matches the back of the dvd case?

We were all noobs at some point, and in same areas still are! In the setup menu under listening modes, you can set it to straight decode, or as you mentioned, just set it to match what's on the box. If you cycle through, it will be the mode right before Dolby D EX. Of course, if you want your back surround, front heights or wides to work all the time, you will have to use one of the DSP's. There is nothing wrong with doing this, and many people prefer it.
post #8809 of 9471
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

We were all noobs at some point, and in same areas still are! In the setup menu under listening modes, you can set it to straight decode, or as you mentioned, just set it to match what's on the box. If you cycle through, it will be the mode right before Dolby D EX. Of course, if you want your back surround, front heights or wides to work all the time, you will have to use one of the DSP's. There is nothing wrong with doing this, and many people prefer it.
and the dsps are the neox and prologics right?

Thanks for the replies.
post #8810 of 9471
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

And worth mentioning that when Direct is engaged all Audyssey room correction is turned off. As is bass management. In fact, all digital processing is turned off. Something to bear in mind when engaging Direct mode.

I thought that was true for "Pure" not "Direct"?
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post #8811 of 9471
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Originally Posted by stitch1 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

And worth mentioning that when Direct is engaged all Audyssey room correction is turned off. As is bass management. In fact, all digital processing is turned off. Something to bear in mind when engaging Direct mode.

I thought that was true for "Pure" not "Direct"?
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Pure is Direct but bypasses the video processing on the front panel display AIUI.

post #8812 of 9471
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Originally Posted by MassConfusion View Post

and the dsps are the neox and prologics right?

Thanks for the replies.

Yes.
post #8813 of 9471

So, let me get this straight... if I bi-amp my front speakers, I cannot use zone 2 or zone 3... right?

post #8814 of 9471
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Originally Posted by commadore64 View Post

So, let me get this straight... if I bi-amp my front speakers, I cannot use zone 2 or zone 3... right?

Yes. But bi-amping is a waste. Don't bother. IMO Many will agree. Do some research on it before you go thru with it.
post #8815 of 9471
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Pure is Direct but bypasses the video processing on the front panel display AIUI.

Thanks for the info. I was use to my Denon where it had a setting to either keep EQ on with Direct or leave it off. I always had it on so and forgot EQ could be turned off. I guess the Onkyo does not have this feature.
post #8816 of 9471
Ok here goes a new question,
For playing blurays, ps3 or xbox one? And are there any settings on the systems I should be using?
post #8817 of 9471
What is the best wifi option for this unit?

Thanks
post #8818 of 9471
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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post


Yes. But bi-amping is a waste. Don't bother. IMO Many will agree. Do some research on it before you go thru with it.

Everyone please weigh-in on this one... is bi-amping a waste of time in your opinion?

post #8819 of 9471
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Originally Posted by commadore64 View Post

Everyone please weigh-in on this one... is bi-amping a waste of time in your opinion?

In my opinion, yes. The general concesncus is, passive bi-amping has no audible effect other than a placebo. There are benefits to active bi-amping (removing the speakers internal crossover), but active bi-amping is time consuming and the end result could sound worse depending on how it's done. There is another method called bi-wiring, and it is equally, if not more so, pointless to bi-amping.

You would get much more benefit from those two channels by adding heights, wides or back surrounds.
post #8820 of 9471
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Originally Posted by lungs414 View Post

What is the best wifi option for this unit?

Thanks

I have mine hooked to a NETGEAR WNCE2001 wi-fi adapter. It is easy to install, has good range and is only $26 on Amazon
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