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post #9031 of 9461

i have dual svs pb2000 and i was just wondering the best way to do since our recievers dont come with subeqxt

 

 

anyway i do have a question about properly intergrating dual subs in my onkyo 818. now there is no room for placement issues since the front corners are where they have to be until i move.

 

so should i turn off the first sub, run audyseesy then repeat audysseys with the other sub off and the first one on.

 

i talked to svs they recommend setting matching gain on them and leaving phase at 0 for both.

post #9032 of 9461
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Originally Posted by thecloneranger View Post

i have dual svs pb2000 and i was just wondering the best way to do since our recievers dont come with subeqxt


anyway i do have a question about properly intergrating dual subs in my onkyo 818. now there is no room for placement issues since the front corners are where they have to be until i move.

so should i turn off the first sub, run audyseesy then repeat audysseys with the other sub off and the first one on.

i talked to svs they recommend setting matching gain on them and leaving phase at 0 for both.
I would do what svs says, set gains the same and leave phase at 0. When you run audyssey and it asks to adjust sub level to 75db at start of test be sure to adjust both subs by the same amount.
post #9033 of 9461
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Originally Posted by kbreese View Post

Ok so I am a bit confused. So I have to set the BR player to output bitstream (Which I have to figure out how to do) and this basically will bypass the blu-ray players processing, correct? At that point I am telling my 818 to handle the duties of the surround processing of whatever particular Blu ray disc I am playing. Now, how does the receiver recognize the bit stream coming at it and set it to the best setting the disc offers? Or, again, will I have to manually set the receiver to best surround setting the disc offers, for each disc I play?

This depends on the disc, not the player or receiver. If the disc defaults to the best codec, then that is what will be output. While most Blu's default to their DTS-HD MA, Dolby TrueHD or PCM codecs, there are some that do not. For instance many of the Warner discs -such as The Matrix - default to Dolby Digital and you have to select Dolby TrueHD from the disc menu to output that codec. Also, some of the DTS-HD MA 7.1 tracks are encoded via a matrix - not true 7.1 - and your receiver will show DTS ES Matrix, which can be confusing. If you ever want to verify what is being output, just hit the "Display" button on your receiver and it will tell you.
post #9034 of 9461
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Originally Posted by thecloneranger View Post

i have dual svs pb2000 and i was just wondering the best way to do since our recievers dont come with subeqxt


anyway i do have a question about properly intergrating dual subs in my onkyo 818. now there is no room for placement issues since the front corners are where they have to be until i move.

so should i turn off the first sub, run audyseesy then repeat audysseys with the other sub off and the first one on.

i talked to svs they recommend setting matching gain on them and leaving phase at 0 for both.

You will have to run Audyssey with both subs on - running then rerunning would erase your first results. You may want to do a search on dual sub setup or check the Audyssey forum for the best advice.
post #9035 of 9461

okay thanks should i use a y splitter or keep it the eay i have it with them hooked up to sw1/sw2 inout on back of onkyo reviever?

post #9036 of 9461
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Originally Posted by Donat76 View Post

On my Panasonic BR player you have to also set the Secondary Audio to off, otherwise it will down convert the bit stream from DTS-HD or DD TrueHD to regular DTS and DD. Not sure what BR player you have, but my guess is one of your BR setting is wrong. The receiver will automatically detect the correct format if your player outputs it.

For my BR player...

BD-Video Secondary Audio
Select whether or not to mix the primary and
secondary audio (including the button click
sound).
If “Off” is selected, the unit outputs the primary
audio only.

Bingo, that was it. My BR player is a new Panny BDT500, and yeah I had to go in and set the secondary audio to off. Seems like a silly default setting the way they have it, but I'm sure there is some logical reason. Either way, it worked and upon replaying "After Earth" after making that change, the 818 proudly displayed DTS-MA smile.gif
post #9037 of 9461
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Originally Posted by thecloneranger View Post

okay thanks should i use a y splitter or keep it the eay i have it with them hooked up to sw1/sw2 inout on back of onkyo reviever?

Use sub 1 & 2 outputs.
post #9038 of 9461
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Originally Posted by thecloneranger View Post

i have dual svs pb2000 and i was just wondering the best way to do since our recievers dont come with subeqxt


anyway i do have a question about properly intergrating dual subs in my onkyo 818. now there is no room for placement issues since the front corners are where they have to be until i move.

so should i turn off the first sub, run audyseesy then repeat audysseys with the other sub off and the first one on.

i talked to svs they recommend setting matching gain on them and leaving phase at 0 for both.

As I recall...while running the sub calibration, Auddyssey is asking you to set at 75 db for the initial test. Place your subs in their respective locations, and turn only one on. Calibrate it...or raise the level to, (I believe) 72 or 73 db. Turn it off, and turn the second sub on, set it's level at 72 or 73, as well... turn the first sub back on. In conjunction with the second sub, you should be at or close to the 75 db mark in room...
You may have to trim each sub incrementally to get to the 75 db, but it shouldn't be much. Leave both on, then run Audyssey as normal.
post #9039 of 9461

cool thats a great idea kevin g will run that tomorrow

post #9040 of 9461
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Originally Posted by Vishwa Somayaji View Post

I have a question regarding the Onkyo 818. I have been following this thread from almost day one and I don't think it has come up. Is it possible to use the 12 volt trigger for zone 2 or zone 3 in the Onkyo to turn on a power amp in Zone 1. I have a parasound HCA 1000 that has the trigger that I would like to use for the front speakers. Sorry, if I missed this discussion elsewhere in the thread. Thanks.

Simple, see my post here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412714/onkyo-tx-nr818-official-owners-thread-discussion/8190#post_23809055
post #9041 of 9461
Thank you very much for that. I will try that. I am just not sure if my harmony 900 supports macro or not. It was easy with harmony one.
post #9042 of 9461
Hmm. When watching blurays on my xbox1 or ps3 my 818 just displays "multichannel".
post #9043 of 9461
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Originally Posted by MassConfusion View Post

Hmm. When watching blurays on my xbox1 or ps3 my 818 just displays "multichannel".

Enable "Bitstream"

post #9044 of 9461
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Originally Posted by MassConfusion View Post

Hmm. When watching blurays on my xbox1 or ps3 my 818 just displays "multichannel".

Which means you have your PS3 set to do the decoding, which it's quite good at and gives you the LPCM version behind the codecs like Dolby or DTS used for compressing it originally....like oneofgod says, if you want the avr to decode set it to bitstream instead in the ouput settings....assume it's similar in the xbox1.
post #9045 of 9461
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Originally Posted by MassConfusion View Post

Hmm. When watching blurays on my xbox1 or ps3 my 818 just displays "multichannel".

As for the xbox 1, it does not bitstream, you only have the option of stereo, 5.1 or 7.1 uncompressed.
post #9046 of 9461
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Originally Posted by Donat76 View Post


"The real world impedance concern comes when using 4 ohm speakers with low power A/V receivers, but even then ONLY when the buyer expects to play the system at high volume. You see, low impedance, 4 ohm or less rated speakers, demand more power than 8 ohm speakers when playing LOUDLY, and that's when the receiver's power might come up short. In a typical "mismatch" scenario the receiver's protection circuit would trip, and shut the receiver off."

Thanks! Just wanted to make sure I was setting everything up correctly and I wasn't sure if there was a separate 8 ohm setting I had to switch over to that for some reason wasn't showing up. But the 6 ohm setting covers all speakers 6-16 ohms?
post #9047 of 9461
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Originally Posted by MassConfusion View Post

Hmm. When watching blurays on my xbox1 or ps3 my 818 just displays "multichannel".

Do NOT change it to bitstream for your PS3 unless you have the newer 'slim' model. The older FAT PS3's do not support HD audio via bitstream.
post #9048 of 9461
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

Do NOT change it to bitstream for your PS3 unless you have the newer 'slim' model. The older FAT PS3's do not support HD audio via bitstream.

So the older fat PS3's can't just pass the audio(DTS-HD, True-HD) to the receiver to do the decoding? So what are our options? Only LPCM out and not have the receiver decode?
post #9049 of 9461
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Originally Posted by rlb4 View Post

So the older fat PS3's can't just pass the audio(DTS-HD, True-HD) to the receiver to do the decoding? So what are our options? Only LPCM out and not have the receiver decode?

Correct - the FAT PS3's can not send HD audio via bitstream - you have to let the PS3 do it (thus the "multichannel" will appear). Press 'select' will show you what audio you're listening too (I really like that feature on the PS3 - see the audio type/bit rate and video bitrate).
post #9050 of 9461
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

Correct - the FAT PS3's can not send HD audio via bitstream - you have to let the PS3 do it (thus the "multichannel" will appear). Press 'select' will show you what audio you're listening too (I really like that feature on the PS3 - see the audio type/bit rate and video bitrate).

That is what I am doing now. My old receiver could not decode the HD audio so I have my PS3 set to decode the DTS-HD and True-HD and send it to the receiver as LCPM. From what I've read it is just as good and sending the HD audio as bitstream and having the receiver do the decoding. So I guess I will keep everything the same. Is there any downside to this way or will I still get all the benefits and sound processing modes of the Onkyo 818?
post #9051 of 9461
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Originally Posted by rlb4 View Post

That is what I am doing now. My old receiver could not decode the HD audio so I have my PS3 set to decode the DTS-HD and True-HD and send it to the receiver as LCPM. From what I've read it is just as good and sending the HD audio as bitstream and having the receiver do the decoding. So I guess I will keep everything the same. Is there any downside to this way or will I still get all the benefits and sound processing modes of the Onkyo 818?

General consensus is there is no downside past not getting the pretty blue / red DTS-MA etc. lit up on your receiver.

Peace of mind tongue.gif
post #9052 of 9461
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Originally Posted by Fishtank View Post

General consensus is there is no downside past not getting the pretty blue / red DTS-MA etc. lit up on your receiver.

Peace of mind tongue.gif

I can deal with that. :-)
post #9053 of 9461
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Originally Posted by rlb4 View Post

I can deal with that. :-)

Yup - no downside at all - you get the HD audio just not the pretty light on the AVR. smile.gif
post #9054 of 9461
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Originally Posted by Fishtank View Post

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Originally Posted by rlb4 View Post

That is what I am doing now. My old receiver could not decode the HD audio so I have my PS3 set to decode the DTS-HD and True-HD and send it to the receiver as LCPM. From what I've read it is just as good and sending the HD audio as bitstream and having the receiver do the decoding. So I guess I will keep everything the same. Is there any downside to this way or will I still get all the benefits and sound processing modes of the Onkyo 818?

General consensus is there is no downside past not getting the pretty blue / red DTS-MA etc. lit up on your receiver.

Peace of mind tongue.gif

None, unless your launch PS3 like mine sounds like a jet engine when playing discs. That's part of the many reasons I love my Oppo 103D. It's friggin' silent. No fan or mechanical noise whatsoever.
post #9055 of 9461
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

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Originally Posted by rlb4 View Post

So the older fat PS3's can't just pass the audio(DTS-HD, True-HD) to the receiver to do the decoding? So what are our options? Only LPCM out and not have the receiver decode?

Correct - the FAT PS3's can not send HD audio via bitstream - you have to let the PS3 do it (thus the "multichannel" will appear). Press 'select' will show you what audio you're listening too (I really like that feature on the PS3 - see the audio type/bit rate and video bitrate).

Thanks for the reminder I should have stuck "slim" in front (like my PS3).
post #9056 of 9461
I think the 818 has a bug and would appriciate confirmation from others:

My samsung plasma is old and only supports 720p/1080i. But my projector supports 1080p. No problem, I thought I will just hook up main out to plasma and set monitor out to always output 720p, right? Wrong. Plasma displays "mode not supported". It shows 720p on receiver, and still...

So, to verify, I connected main out to projector. Input info of projector shows that the input is still being fed 1080p. Basically the conversion is not performed at all. I did try 4k upscale (projector has 4k inputs) and that DID show up correctly as 4k, so only problem is with other resolutions.

Can anyone confirm this issue as well? Am I doing something wrong?
post #9057 of 9461
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Originally Posted by odedia View Post

I think the 818 has a bug and would appriciate confirmation from others:

My samsung plasma is old and only supports 720p/1080i. But my projector supports 1080p. No problem, I thought I will just hook up main out to plasma and set monitor out to always output 720p, right? Wrong. Plasma displays "mode not supported". It shows 720p on receiver, and still...

So, to verify, I connected main out to projector. Input info of projector shows that the input is still being fed 1080p. Basically the conversion is not performed at all. I did try 4k upscale (projector has 4k inputs) and that DID show up correctly as 4k, so only problem is with other resolutions.

Can anyone confirm this issue as well? Am I doing something wrong?

I don't think it is a bug, rather your settings.  The output resolution settings can be very confusing since there are multiple.  Read the HDMI Out section of this link 

http://www.aaarpinball.com/Onkyo818/Onkyo818.htm

post #9058 of 9461
Tha
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Originally Posted by primetimeguy View Post

I don't think it is a bug, rather your settings.  The output resolution settings can be very confusing since there are multiple.  Read the HDMI Out section of this link 
http://www.aaarpinball.com/Onkyo818/Onkyo818.htm

Thank you for that very informative link, it provides excellent information. It does explain my problem, though. The 818 never downconverts. Therefore I'll never be able to get 1080p from source to 720p on target. Whether it's a bug or "feature" is open for debate smile.gif

Does anyone know of a simple cheap device to put in my hdmi chain that would downconvert 1080p to 1080i or 720p?
post #9059 of 9461
Quick question - what is the best setting for audio output from a DVD player so that the 818 can handle the processing? In order words should the 818 (or the processor) handle audio formats - assume that would be better than the CD/DVD player?
post #9060 of 9461
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Originally Posted by kma100 View Post

Quick question - what is the best setting for audio output from a DVD player so that the 818 can handle the processing? In order words should the 818 (or the processor) handle audio formats - assume that would be better than the CD/DVD player?
That depends on your player and what it can and can't do/support.
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