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post #1 of 16
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Getting a new set for my room in a few days and it's a 7.1, can't wait for it. I want to run my speaker wires along the baseboard and possibly through the wall so it can be mounted near the ceiling. I just have a few questions regarding that, some are safety. I have my living room TV mounted and i know you can't run the power cable through the wall so you need an outlet near the TV. I was wondering if you can run speaker wires through walls without any special steps like needing one of those voltage boxes or anything? Also any opinions on mounting it high and pointing down? First time having the speakers that high so i was wondering if it'll be the same as ear level?

I really want to run the wires through the walls with just an in-wall speaker wire if possible so i can make the holes as small as possible.
post #2 of 16
Since it is low-voltage wiring, there is no problem running speaker wire in the walls. It is a good idea to use #14 2-conductor jacketed wire to protect the wires from cutting on something (Monoprice #2820 #14 jacketed wire, for example)

I like to use the phone jack system, where the wires terminate in wall plates with 1/4 inch phone jacks. That way you can put phone plugs on the speaker wires and unplug the wires from the walls easily when cleaning or moving things or changing speaker configurations.

You can buy wall plates with one jack or two.

(For example RAM electronics 28-117P or Tec-Nec WPL-1110)










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Originally Posted by uEih View Post

Getting a new set for my room in a few days and it's a 7.1, can't wait for it. I want to run my speaker wires along the baseboard and possibly through the wall so it can be mounted near the ceiling. I just have a few questions regarding that, some are safety. I have my living room TV mounted and i know you can't run the power cable through the wall so you need an outlet near the TV. I was wondering if you can run speaker wires through walls without any special steps like needing one of those voltage boxes or anything? Also any opinions on mounting it high and pointing down? First time having the speakers that high so i was wondering if it'll be the same as ear level?

I really want to run the wires through the walls with just an in-wall speaker wire if possible so i can make the holes as small as possible.
post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by uEih View Post

Getting a new set for my room in a few days and it's a 7.1, can't wait for it. I want to run my speaker wires along the baseboard and possibly through the wall so it can be mounted near the ceiling. I just have a few questions regarding that, some are safety. I have my living room TV mounted and i know you can't run the power cable through the wall so you need an outlet near the TV.

You can run power cables through the wall, if you follow your local electrical code. The rules are a little more stringent for power wiring because of the voltages and currents involved are dangerous unless you do a fairly short list of things right.

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I was wondering if you can run speaker wires through walls without any special steps like needing one of those voltage boxes or anything?

Your local electrical code also contains rules for putting cables in the wall that don't involve such potentially dangerous voltages and currents as your AC power system. The short list of rules is even shorter.

Around here most home improvement stores sell or give away books about electrical wiring that have enough information to keep a reasonable person out of trouble.

Until you really know what you are doing, leave AC power wiring to professionals!

The basics are that you want your in-wall audio wiring to be able to carry the desired signal, be mechanically stable, and not create a fire hazard. BTW, in-wall wiring that meets code for AC power and is not connected to your house's power system is legal for lower-powered applications like speakers.

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Also any opinions on mounting it high and pointing down? First time having the speakers that high so i was wondering if it'll be the same as ear level?

Speakers sound different depending where in the room you put them. Various speakers seem to be more ideal for mounting in different locations. If you put a speaker in the middle of the room the bass will be minimized. If you put it in a corner of the room where 3 surfaces come together, the bass will be maximized.

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I really want to run the wires through the walls with just an in-wall speaker wire if possible so i can make the holes as small as possible.

Usually the size of the holes you end up making in the wall depends a lot on what is already inside the wall. Unknown to you, your wall may have a number of barriers, such as studs (vertical beams in the wall every so many inches) already in it. There may be horizontal obstructions as well.

There are tools called electronic stud finders that you can use to estimate the location of studs and other concealed obstructions.
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by uEih View Post

Getting a new set for my room in a few days and it's a 7.1, can't wait for it. I want to run my speaker wires along the baseboard and possibly through the wall so it can be mounted near the ceiling. I just have a few questions regarding that, some are safety. I have my living room TV mounted and i know you can't run the power cable through the wall so you need an outlet near the TV.

In most states a home owner can get an electrical permit which allows one to connect an outlet in an existing box (be sure to observe the code rules on maximum box fill, wire routing, and stapling) to one in a new ("old work") box and do the work himself.

A bunch of companies sell affordable sets for flat screen TVs that combine recessed electrical outlets (with their own boxes) and low voltage ports.

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I was wondering if you can run speaker wires through walls without any special steps like needing one of those voltage boxes or anything?

Cable UL-listed (CL2, CL3, etc) for in-wall use is a prudent idea.

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Also any opinions on mounting it high and pointing down? First time having the speakers that high so i was wondering if it'll be the same as ear level?

No. You'll get a lower midrange boost from the boundary proximity that makes actors sound like they have chest colds plus "The Voice of God" effect from the elevation.
post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies guys, they were all very helpful! I forgot about horizontal studs, i'll need to check for those before thinking about this any further if there are any horizontal studs i think i might trash this idea. But i do have in-wall speaker wires i bought from radioshack doing a simpler install for the living room. Never mounted speakers on the wall like this before so this will be a first, but that "voice of god" effect or "chest cold" is getting me a bit worried about mounting the speakers up high in the corners.
post #6 of 16
If running them in the wall doesnt work out, I have seen some people run flat speaker cable around in order to hide them a little better. You can even paint over most kinds but it will be more expensive than normal speaker wire.
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 
I've been thinking and since it's a 7.1 and i need to hook up 2 mid room speakers and 2 back instead of 2 front and 2 backs so i might need to wire 2 speaker wires through a single hole and since i have to do that the holes will be big anyways. So i think i'm going to go with the banana plug way and have banana plug outlets on the bottom near the wallboard trimming and speaker wires all the way on top and leave the top naked with no plates or anything, the wire will just come out of the drywall. Or is there a cleaner method you'll suggest? I hope the speakers work out this way as i really have no other option to place the wires in my bedroom.

I've looked into the flat speaker cable method but i think that's way to expensive.
post #8 of 16
^^^

a combination of crown molding, wiremold and a soffit along the front wall has worked out pretty well for me to run wires around room and up walls... i've been trying to hide my wires for a long time, and this solution seemingly is working out pretty well...

pics of part 1 of this are in my sig, and pics of part 2 (probably more applicable to your situation, as part 1 mostly involved the soffit) should be posted soon...

good luck... i know from experience what a pita it can be, but there are ways if you are willing to be inventive...
post #9 of 16
Thread Starter 
^^ Perfect! I was looking for the wiremold but didn't know what they were called, goes right along the baseboard and should be good enough to cover the clunky wires on the bottom. However i'm in a dilemma now, i installed them and hearing them at ear level is heaven. Not sure how mounting them higher near the ceiling is going to change that but also that's going to be a lot more work too with the crown moldings also. At this moment i'm a little overwhelmed because i could put them at ear level but also can't because the other half of the room has my desk and i'll probably have to put my speakers on the desk in order to match up the other side and i don't want speakers laying around my desk. Maybe i just need to spend some time planning it out.. I'll probably get some pictures once i get the mess in my room to clean it up. But for sure i'll get the picture after i finish all this.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by uEih View Post

^^ Perfect! I was looking for the wiremold but didn't know what they were called, goes right along the baseboard and should be good enough to cover the clunky wires on the bottom. However i'm in a dilemma now, i installed them and hearing them at ear level is heaven. Not sure how mounting them higher near the ceiling is going to change that but also that's going to be a lot more work too with the crown moldings also. At this moment i'm a little overwhelmed because i could put them at ear level but also can't because the other half of the room has my desk and i'll probably have to put my speakers on the desk in order to match up the other side and i don't want speakers laying around my desk. Maybe i just need to spend some time planning it out.. I'll probably get some pictures once i get the mess in my room to clean it up. But for sure i'll get the picture after i finish all this.

yup, it will save you time and money if you do this... ask me how i know...

i'd leave the speakers at ear height, it's where they work best... run the wire along the baseboards and then up the walls to the speakers through wiremold...

i used the crown along the floor to hide the wires since i couldn't get all the wires into a piece of wiremold... i also liked the way it looked...

hth... feel free to fire away with questions either here or by pm...
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

You can run power cables through the wall, if you follow your local electrical code.

Oooh, be careful here, Arny...It just dawned on me that he may be thinking about flexible cords, where you are thinking romex..

NEC 2008, 400.8 (2008) does not permit the use of flexible cords as a substitute for fixed structure wiring, through holes in walls, doorways, windows, or attached to the structure.

j
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by jneutron View Post

Oooh, be careful here, Arny...It just dawned on me that he may be thinking about flexible cords, where you are thinking romex..

NEC 2008, 400.8 (2008) does not permit the use of flexible cords as a substitute for fixed structure wiring, through holes in walls, doorways, windows, or attached to the structure.

j

Without hiring an electrician i did this by myself, it is made so you can do it yourself. You don't mess with any live wires at all, meets code requirements, and it's super simple and the end results are nice too. I knew flexible cords aren't up to code for in wall installations so i found an alternative.

http://www.amazon.com/Datacomm-50-33...8882443&sr=8-1

Anyways. I kinda have an idea of what to do.. I'm going to run the speaker wires with a wiremold on the baseboard. Half my rooms wall is empty and the other half has desks, shelves, etc. So for 2 speakers on one side i will just set them on the desk but the other half i'm planning to mount. I'm hesitant to mount a speaker midway between the walls on the side of the room because it's going to be about waist level. I have mounts i bought a long time ago and was planning on using it but it sticks out a bit and i'm not sure if it looks that great to me. Or i was going to mount the speaker flat on the wall.. Some pictures to show what i mean. I like being able to pivot it however i want instead of the speaker only facing straight out of the wall but would a 7.1 be best when the middle speaker is facing straight out?



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If you guys wanna help and still don't understand how my room setup is, i can always take pictures and show exactly how my room looks. I'm a little hesitant to do things and mess up, sorry for all numerous questions and some might be dumb like this one but i just want get other opinions before diving in.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by jneutron View Post

Oooh, be careful here, Arny...It just dawned on me that he may be thinking about flexible cords, where you are thinking romex..

NEC 2008, 400.8 (2008) does not permit the use of flexible cords as a substitute for fixed structure wiring, through holes in walls, doorways, windows, or attached to the structure.

He would find all that out if he knew the electrical code for his situation, no? That's what I told him to do - find out what code is for where he is. It's a one-size fits all answer. ;-)
post #14 of 16
You assume code is easy. eek.gif

Man, I wish.

j
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by jneutron View Post

You assume code is easy. eek.gif
Man, I wish.
j
Or why he would be here if he knew how to read the code.....
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Or why he would be here if he knew how to read the code.....
Quoted for future reference.
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