Marantz AV7701 Prepro Official Owner's thread - Page 9

No, not really ... just the few newer features already listed by Krobar as well as Spotify which was added as a firmware update a few months ago. Although they're tough to find these days, if you can find a Denon 4311CI (predecessor to the 4520CI) it uses XT32 as well and now on clearance for about $1000 less than the 4520CI.

The Denon is $1k more expensive than the AV7701, but do you have amps already?

And yes, I do believe XT32 is worth the upgrade (you obviously get other benefits as well)

He said he doesn't have a shortage of amps =^P

Sunfire Cinema Grand... Love the results.

I have a question about the 7.1ch inputs and LFE / Subwoofer Levels.

I am running an Oppo 105 into the 7701 and am trying to get everything calibrated correctly - pretty close I think.

I was reading this - http://www.avsforum.com/t/748147/lfe-subwoofers-and-interconnects-explained#post_8855640 - and it was really helpful.

However, I notice that on the Audio Menu of the 7701, when in 7.1ch input mode, I have an option to set the LFE level (under Audio / Surround Parameter) and additionally an option to adjust the Subwoofer Level (Audio / Subwoofer Level). My question is this: since the only input coming from the Oppo to the 7701 is SW - there is no discrete LFE input - and that the Oppo is sending SUB+LFE to the 7701, what do these separate controls do? How can the 7701 distinguish between what is bass-managed Subwoofer and what is LFE coming in on one single analog input? Are these controls redundant or a mistake?

I'll try to find some audio test tones so I can adjust these difference settings while measuring the SPL to see if they are basically the same thing. Kind of has me baffled though.

If you have the Oppo doing the bass management (as the 7701 cannot do this with the EXT IN inputs) then you are correct in that the 7701 would be seeing a combined LFE + bass managed signal from the SW input, otherwise if not, then the 7701 only sees the LFE signal from the SW input.

^^^^^ I sent a test tone down from the Oppo to the 7701 and indeed both the LFE level and Subwoofer level affect the output - the LFE control is course in steps of 0/5/10/15, with the default as 10 and that seems correct. The Subwoofer level is more granular. I guess it all works together but is confusing to have to adjustments for essentially the same channel.

The coarse adjustments are for different formats. Sometimes DVD-A and SACD can be 10db out on LFE output; it depends on the player.

I just received the Marantz AV7701 and I am using a Sunfire Cinema Grand 5 channel amp with the XLR connectors. I am very happy with the sound. When I run the Audyssey test, all speakers come back out of phase. From the Audyssey website, it states if all speakers report out of phase, then they are actually all in phase with each other. I wanted to get any feedback from this group on this.

Is anyone using a 7701 with emotiva amps? I am looking at purchasing an av7701 along with an emotiva xpa-2 (for front channels) and an emotiva xpa-5 (for the surrounds). I am curious to hear how the combination works. While I'll be watching movies with this setup, I am more interested in the audio quality for music.

Did you check the wiring? If the speaker wiring is correct, just ignore it. I often get one reported oop, even though the wiring is indeed correct.

I have an AV7701 with an Emotiva XPA-2 for L/R, and XPA-5 for center and surround duties, and it works very well. (Speakers are: Aerial LR3 for L/C/R, M&K SS-150THX surrounds, Subs are SVS PB13-Ultra and DIY with JBL 2242H 18" driver.) I upgraded from an Integra DTC-9.8 and I'm very pleased with the results just out of the box. (Haven't done any work with REW yet, so I'm sure it will sound even better after better calibration.)

One thing I can say, though, is that I'm not very impressed with the Audyssey. I did a complete calibration, and had to adjust nearly every setting to get it to sound best to my ears.

Taxi,

Did you follow the recommendations in the Audyssey thread? The simplified instructions included in most equipment manuals often are inadequate for audio enthusiasts.

See http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-1

I did not. I'll give that a try. Thanks.

Anyone using 2 subwoofers with the AV7701? I ask because Ive seen many Audyssey calibration results on other receivers and Audyssey calibrates both subwoofers. Even using both sub1 and sub 2 out, it only calibrates it as 1 sub. Any one else experiencing this?

Audyssey XT (7701) and lower versions can only calibrate dual subs as 1. You would need to upgrade to the 8801 to get XT32 + Sub EQ HT for true dual sub calibration.

That's sad news for me as I've had that processor for some time now and am far out of return policy.

Thank you for the quick reply.

If you can afford the 8801, I'm guessing you'd only lose at most maybe $100-$150 selling the 7701.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 1/9/13 at 1:50am

Want to sell it, PM me.

Thanks - glad this is working for you. I am about 99% sure this is combination I am going with. For the speakers, I've opted for Aperion Grands with either a HSU or an Epik sub. Not sure yet....

Hey AVS - Nice following your thread.

Sorry if this post is slightly off ?

But does anyone know how the SR7007 compares to the AV7701? I am looking to buy either the sr7007 or the av7701. But if I go with the 7701, I will need to wait with having a full surround, by the lack of amplification for all speakers. But then I might go with a dedicated amp in the future, for the fronts anyway. The SR7007 gets really nice recommendations too (from the reviews I have read, actually seams much better value for money, over the 7701, espeacially in natural stereo performance).
The system is mainly used for music in stereo, and I want the best possible stereo quality, from a surround capeble system.

My setup at the moment, looks as follows (5,0):
Harman Kardon avr 255 (seriously lacks power for my speakers, no bi-amp option available)
Elac FS 247 BE for front
Elac CC 241 BE for center
Elac BS 243 BE for surround

So what should I do, the 7701 is about 20 % more "$$$" here, and that is ofc without external amplification. Is it really so much better to go with a dedicated pre/prosessor, In the case of sr7007 vs av7701 ?

Another question, will I be, or, is it possible to increase the LFE signal/level to the front speakers, with either of the options (sr7007 and av7701), when using a non dedicated subwoofer system like mine. Currently that is not an option on my Harman Kardon.

Kind Regards
Emil
Edited by Emil Wilkens - 1/13/13 at 3:54pm

Both would be fairly comparable as they both use the same version of Audyssey MultEQ XT. Not sure what you mean by "increase the LFE"? Without a sub in the setup, the LFE (0.1) signal will be sent to the FL/FR speakers.

But have anyone found some kind of comparisen of the quality of the sound (between the av7701 and sr7007). Also when both units are used as pre/pro. Especially in stereo mode, when we are talking decent audiophile level of stereo performance.

What I mean by increasing the LFE signal/level to the fronts, is that, the LFE signal, that gets sent to the fronts, are not "boosteble" on my current receiver (harman kardon avr 255), and since I am not using a dedicated subwoofer, i would like to be able to do so? I just don't know if that is a possibility on new surround-amps/receivers /pre/pro's like the Marantz?

Can you claim, that they are very comparable, just because they use the same version of Audyssey ? Hmm

Thanks !

Without a direct comparison based on A/B bench testing, you'll just have to settle with "comparable". Also, the sub level signal would not be boostable without a dedicated sub in the setup.

I can see, that Onkyo's TX-NR818 do have Individual LFE Ajustments for the various formats, such as DTS, Dolby Digital and so on. But does that have something to do with the fact, that it also supports Audyssey XT32? I do believe that, that would solve my problem, of not being able to increase the LFE signal to my front speakers?

Nothing to do with XT32. It might be easier for you to just buy a sub for LFE.

Yes, the Marantz and Denon AVRs have this same setting as well to include the AV7701.

Is it confirmed you can't play 5.1 audio over the network?

E4

I am struggling with accessing music in my computer via media server and cannot find the data in the manual. Can please tell this dummy where the instructions are? Thanks.

See p. 57 in your Owner's manual.