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post #1 of 34
5/30/12 at 12:19pm
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Hey!

Long story short, I bought a PB12-NSD a few months ago and loved it, when it was in its original 2500^3 room that was rectangular and enclosed. Sounded badass to the max. but ever since I've moved it to my concrete floors basement, the bass just wasn't powerful enough.

After contemplating for a while I've decided to sell my PB12 and buy a new subwoofer or a pair of subwoofers.


I have thought about the Cap for a while, the Submersive, the FV15 etc etc. They are all great and amazing but the problem is that my basement is not completely enclosed and has many smaller rooms in it. Boiler room, Washing machine/Dryer room, storage room, steps going to the 1s floor.

I have noticed many SPL lows when I did the subwoofer crawl and no matter where I put the sub, my listening position is ALWAYS at the low. Only way it would work somewhat is if I'd move my seating position back 3-4 feet which I don't want to do.

So it seems that the only way I can get rid of these differences in SPL is with multiple subs.


I have narrowed it down to 2x HSU 15's. The have a package deal on them right now which comes out to about 2 grand for both, shipped.


If I use the SVS upgrade option, the PB13 Ultra would end up costing me about 2500 dollars which is just stupidly expensive for a 13.5 inch woofer. SVS says that shipping costs to NYC are 300.- and I guess its out of their hands when it comes to freight charges, but I'm not willing to spend 300 on shipping for one subwoofer alone.


The HSUs would cost 278,- for shipping of both subs. IF I understand the shipping charges correctly.

A single Cap would be great but I don't think it would overcome my room....

Same would go for the FV15 and possibly the submersive, eventhough the submersive has 2x15inch drivers.


So, my question to you all is, do you think it's the right choice to purchase the double package HSU's?

And no, I do not want to buy a Cap now and another later. It's out of the question since my budget is around 2500,- once I sell my PB12.


Speaking of selling, where is the best place one can sell subwoofers? The classified section says that one has to have 50 000 posts to list something???


Many thanks,


Ray


EDIT: My basement is about 4500^3
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post #2 of 34
5/30/12 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by raehza View Post

Hey!

Long story short, I bought a PB12-NSD a few months ago and loved it, when it was in its original 2500^3 room that was rectangular and enclosed. Sounded badass to the max. but ever since I've moved it to my concrete floors basement, the bass just wasn't powerful enough.

After contemplating for a while I've decided to sell my PB12 and buy a new subwoofer or a pair of subwoofers.


I have thought about the Cap for a while, the Submersive, the FV15 etc etc. They are all great and amazing but the problem is that my basement is not completely enclosed and has many smaller rooms in it. Boiler room, Washing machine/Dryer room, storage room, steps going to the 1s floor.

I have noticed many SPL lows when I did the subwoofer crawl and no matter where I put the sub, my listening position is ALWAYS at the low. Only way it would work somewhat is if I'd move my seating position back 3-4 feet which I don't want to do.

So it seems that the only way I can get rid of these differences in SPL is with multiple subs.


I have narrowed it down to 2x HSU 15's. The have a package deal on them right now which comes out to about 2 grand for both, shipped.


If I use the SVS upgrade option, the PB13 Ultra would end up costing me about 2500 dollars which is just stupidly expensive for a 13.5 inch woofer. SVS says that shipping costs to NYC are 300.- and I guess its out of their hands when it comes to freight charges, but I'm not willing to spend 300 on shipping for one subwoofer alone.


The HSUs would cost 278,- for shipping of both subs. IF I understand the shipping charges correctly.

A single Cap would be great but I don't think it would overcome my room....

Same would go for the FV15 and possibly the submersive, eventhough the submersive has 2x15inch drivers.


So, my question to you all is, do you think it's the right choice to purchase the double package HSU's?

And no, I do not want to buy a Cap now and another later. It's out of the question since my budget is around 2500,- once I sell my PB12.


Speaking of selling, where is the best place one can sell subwoofers? The classified section says that one has to have 50 000 posts to list something???


Many thanks,


Ray


EDIT: My basement is about 4500^3


I have duals 15Hs in my 4500^3 room and I have no complaints. I will say that even with multiple subs you still need to work on placement.

I wouldn't worry about the Ultra being 13", I had one in my room and it's pretty decent but i'd still want duals. It's just too expensive imho.
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post #3 of 34
5/30/12 at 2:33pm
I'd do dual Craigsub VS-18.1's. They are big, powerful, and vented. They imo would DESTROY a single svs 13 incher....

I also think the dual vth-15's from HSU research would be amazing as well. If it's about performance, get one of these two options imo in an open floor plan that's not sealed up to take much advantage of room gain.
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post #4 of 34
5/30/12 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by mannoiaj View Post

I'd do dual Craigsub VS-18.1's. They are big, powerful, and vented. They imo would DESTROY a single svs 13 incher....

I also think the dual vth-15's from HSU research would be amazing as well. If it's about performance, get one of these two options imo in an open floor plan that's not sealed up to take much advantage of room gain.

Exactly how does CHT expect people to high pass the VS-18.1??

Theyll sound great until a note below tuning rips the cone off of the spider.
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post #5 of 34
5/30/12 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by mannoiaj View Post

I'd do dual Craigsub VS-18.1's. They are big, powerful, and vented. They imo would DESTROY a single svs 13 incher....

I also think the dual vth-15's from HSU research would be amazing as well. If it's about performance, get one of these two options imo in an open floor plan that's not sealed up to take much advantage of room gain.

Hey, thanks for the info but that website doesn't look very appealing to me and I honestly don't understand how their sub get sold. I only see a Passive sub for 700,- . The amp would have to be bought separately, thus needing more room it seems.


@Sputter

Did you have any other sub combinations in your room before? How happy are you with ur HSUs? Did you have to play around with positioning a lot?


Ray
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post #6 of 34
5/30/12 at 3:40pm
+1 to dual VTF-15Hs.
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post #7 of 34
5/30/12 at 3:42pm
+2 to dual VTF-15H's
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post #8 of 34
5/30/12 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by raehza View Post

Hey, thanks for the info but that website doesn't look very appealing to me and I honestly don't understand how their sub get sold. I only see a Passive sub for 700,- . The amp would have to be bought separately, thus needing more room it seems.


@Sputter

Did you have any other sub combinations in your room before? How happy are you with ur HSUs? Did you have to play around with positioning a lot?


Ray

The only other sub I had of mine in this particular room was the Mirage Omini S-10. I've heard the Ultra 13 (bash) and a nice FW sub both in my room. Both of those subs are pretty nice.

I bought a single 15H within days of it being released. A couple weeks later I ordered my 2nd one. I'm very happy with my pair. Dr Hsu is extremly accessible for questions. Yes, I played with placement and the modes for months lol.
I use REW for measuring and the SMS-1 for EQing. (I have a number of graphs posted here and on the Hsu site)

I never had "what if I bought something else" feeling. I don't mean to say that I wouldn't like to hear other subs, just that I never questioned my choice.
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post #9 of 34
5/30/12 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by sputter1 View Post

The only other sub I had of mine in this particular room was the Mirage Omini S-10. I've heard the Ultra 13 (bash) and a nice FW sub both in my room. Both of those subs are pretty nice.

I bought a single 15H within days of it being released. A couple weeks later I ordered my 2nd one. I'm very happy with my pair. Dr Hsu is extremly accessible for questions. Yes, I played with placement and the modes for months lol.
I use REW for measuring and the SMS-1 for EQing. (I have a number of graphs posted here and on the Hsu site)

I never had "what if I bought something else" feeling. I don't mean to say that I wouldn't like to hear other subs, just that I never questioned my choice.


I'm the kind of guy that buys something and never looks back. I don't like the feeling of regret so I avoid it by looking around. Now, ever since I moved my sub, I am not happy with it at all anymore. It's not the Subs fault, but my rooms dimensions. If I can get the 2 HSUs to perform like my NSD did in my smaller room by itself, I'm more than happy.

I just want to feel the bass, my rooms dimensions make it impossible to sound powerful AT ALL at my current seating position, so it seems that either a Giant sub like the Captivator or dual subs are the only way to go.

The Cap is just very expensive, compared to 2xHSUs, and I'd still take the risk of not being able to overcome my SPL weak spots.

Looks like 2xHSUs would be in order.


ED @ SVS recommended a second NSD but I am having a very hard time believing that 2xNSDs would pressurize my room as 2x15 inch woofers the HSUs have. I understand that the NSD is one of the best subwoofers in the market in its price range, but a driver can only pump so much air as the cone allows (sorry if this is wrong, but this it how it makes sense to me). Trying to pump air in a 4500^3+ size room with 12 inch woofers seems odd. Hell even 15 inch seems a bit small to me but that's all I can afford right now.


Ray
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post #10 of 34
5/30/12 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by raehza View Post

Hey!

Long story short, I bought a PB12-NSD a few months ago and loved it, when it was in its original 2500^3 room that was rectangular and enclosed. Sounded badass to the max. but ever since I've moved it to my concrete floors basement, the bass just wasn't powerful enough.

I think your biggest issue is that you went from a suspended floor to a concrete floor. The suspended floor gave you some tactile feedback which the concrete floor never will, no matter how many subwoofers you use. You might consider a tactile transducer, (i.e., Buttkicker, Crowson Tech, Earthquake, etc.) Place it on a suspended riser, and you'll get your tactile response back. I use a pair of Crowson's under my 4 seats, on a suspended riser. Works great! You can see pic's here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post21140920

Craig
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post #11 of 34
5/30/12 at 6:24pm
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I think your biggest issue is that you went from a suspended floor to a concrete floor. The suspended floor gave you some tactile feedback which the concrete floor never will, no matter how many subwoofers you use. You might consider a tactile transducer, (i.e., Buttkicker, Crowson Tech, Earthquake, etc.) Place it on a suspended riser, and you'll get your tactile response back. I use a pair of Crowson's under my 4 seats, on a suspended riser. Works great! You can see pic's here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post21140920

Craig

Thank you craig. I know about thos buttkickers and I am definitely intrigued in getting a pair one day, but not right now. As a matter of fact, I had my current basement setup in a different corner in my basement for about 2 months, and honestly, the Bass sounded great. The woofer would fire about against a Wall that has 2 more side walls next to it, so it created this nice sound wave that bounced off the walls and sounded great. Issue was that the Wall my projector screen was on was simply too small. I only was able to get about 108 inches our of my Projector.

My current location allows me a 140 inc diagonal screen which is hugely important to me, but I don't have this "enclosed" portion of the basement anymore, but rather a wide open area.

When I used to have my smaller "enclosed" area, the Bass was sufficient enough for me where I didn't need a Buttkicker.

I am hoping that 2x HSUs will do the same for me, and if not, kicker may be next.


Ray
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post #12 of 34
5/30/12 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

I think your biggest issue is that you went from a suspended floor to a concrete floor. The suspended floor gave you some tactile feedback which the concrete floor never will, no matter how many subwoofers you use. You might consider a tactile transducer, (i.e., Buttkicker, Crowson Tech, Earthquake, etc.) Place it on a suspended riser, and you'll get your tactile response back. I use a pair of Crowson's under my 4 seats, on a suspended riser. Works great! You can see pic's here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post21140920

Craig

Would it be fair to say that if you can pressurize your room, you'll get tactile feedback providing there is enough headroom over and above?

I'm asking 'cause my SVS PB12-NSDs are sitting on concrete floor and I'm feeling it in my couch like nobody's business. Mind you I'm sitting maybe 10' away in a 3600ish cubic feet. It also shake my light fixture sitting between the subs and the MLP adding some visual effect too

Not arguing, just asking

cheers
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post #13 of 34
5/30/12 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by jproy13 View Post

Would it be fair to say that if you can pressurize your room, you'll get tactile feedback providing there is enough headroom over and above?

I'm asking 'cause my SVS PB12-NSDs are sitting on concrete floor and I'm feeling it in my couch like nobody's business. Mind you I'm sitting maybe 10' away in a 3600ish cubic feet. It also shake my light fixture sitting between the subs and the MLP adding some visual effect too

Not arguing, just asking

cheers

If you can shake the couch without shaking the concrete floor, then, sure you can get tactile response from the couch alone. However, my 3 Submersive HP's can't shake my seating with any authority, and I sit a similar distance in a similar sized room. I guess the "transfer function" is just different between our 2 rooms, and possibly our seating.

Nonetheless, the Crowsons do it with ease.

Craig
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post #14 of 34
5/30/12 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

If you can shake the couch without shaking the concrete floor, then, sure you can get tactile response from the couch alone. However, my 3 Submersive HP's can't shake my seating with any authority, and I sit a similar distance in a similar sized room. I guess the "transfer function" is just different between our 2 rooms, and possibly our seating.

Nonetheless, the Crowsons do it with ease.

Craig

No doubt that what I'm feeling is no way near what tranducers would give me. Still cool though.
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post #15 of 34
5/31/12 at 12:02am
Two VTF15hs would be killer, no doubt. However, I think a PB13 would have more output around its tuning point, which is variable. I would still prefer the Hsu subs though, for room coverage. I do think a single captivator would have more output than either, so don't be so quick to dismiss it.

For that visceral feel, I would suggest near-field subwoofer placement over buttkickers. That will shake more than just your seating, and is more likely to give you that punch in the chest feeling. You might try a VTF15h in the front corner and a VTF15h behind your seating. Go in the Hsu thread and ask the Dr for advice, if you don't know, he helps out with placement and bass management advice there a lot. Personally, I run two Hsu VTF3s, both flanking my couch with the woofers firing inward towards seating, that has a very punchy feeling. My home theater is in a concrete basement as well, and there is definitely no missing tactile feel here.
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post #16 of 34
5/31/12 at 7:01am
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Two VTF15hs would be killer, no doubt. However, I think a PB13 would have more output around its tuning point, which is variable. I would still prefer the Hsu subs though, for room coverage. I do think a single captivator would have more output than either, so don't be so quick to dismiss it.

For that visceral feel, I would suggest near-field subwoofer placement over buttkickers. That will shake more than just your seating, and is more likely to give you that punch in the chest feeling. You might try a VTF15h in the front corner and a VTF15h behind your seating. Go in the Hsu thread and ask the Dr for advice, if you don't know, he helps out with placement and bass management advice there a lot. Personally, I run two Hsu VTF3s, both flanking my couch with the woofers firing inward towards seating, that has a very punchy feeling. My home theater is in a concrete basement as well, and there is definitely no missing tactile feel here.


See now you made it harder for me, lol. A Captivator surely would be amazing to have. I am just scared that it may not cover my room by itself.... I'm sure it would be plenty loud and all, but I'm afraid of the highs and lows and that my seating position may not be ideal for the room dimensions.... Plus it takes so darn long to get a Captivator. I really hate waiting for gear over everything...


Ray
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post #17 of 34
5/31/12 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by raehza View Post

I'm the kind of guy that buys something and never looks back. I don't like the feeling of regret so I avoid it by looking around. Now, ever since I moved my sub, I am not happy with it at all anymore. It's not the Subs fault, but my rooms dimensions. If I can get the 2 HSUs to perform like my NSD did in my smaller room by itself, I'm more than happy.

I just want to feel the bass, my rooms dimensions make it impossible to sound powerful AT ALL at my current seating position, so it seems that either a Giant sub like the Captivator or dual subs are the only way to go.

The Cap is just very expensive, compared to 2xHSUs, and I'd still take the risk of not being able to overcome my SPL weak spots.

Looks like 2xHSUs would be in order.


ED @ SVS recommended a second NSD but I am having a very hard time believing that 2xNSDs would pressurize my room as 2x15 inch woofers the HSUs have. I understand that the NSD is one of the best subwoofers in the market in its price range, but a driver can only pump so much air as the cone allows (sorry if this is wrong, but this it how it makes sense to me). Trying to pump air in a 4500^3+ size room with 12 inch woofers seems odd. Hell even 15 inch seems a bit small to me but that's all I can afford right now.


Ray

Get the dual VTF-15H's, I can't imagine you'll be dissappointed.

Having said that, you mention not wanting to have buyer's remorse. That may entail having to purchase dual PB13's as they'd be a bit more powerful. Of course, then that would entail buying dual Captivator's as they'd be a heck of a lot more powerful than the PB13's. Then you'd start to wonder about dual Submersives and whether you should have gone with a sealed system as that system will have more output below the tuning of the ported options.... it never ends.

My recco would be to buy the dual VTF-15Hs, come here to figure out how to set them up, and after that, run away from this forum and all other Audio/Video forums as fast as you can and take your wallet with you.

Otherwise, I promise we'll find lots of ways to spend it.
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post #18 of 34
5/31/12 at 2:11pm
Maybe you could try a Sub Dude. Maybe help a bit.
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post #19 of 34
5/31/12 at 2:40pm
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...6&postcount=52
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post #20 of 34
5/31/12 at 2:41pm
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Alright. Ordered the HSUs. No turning back now. What else do I need now? Obviously another Male to Male RCA cable but how do I attach both subs to my Denon 2112? In line or or via a RCA splitter?


Also, anyone interested in a near new PB12-NSD? lol



Ray
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post #21 of 34
5/31/12 at 2:52pm
I thought that SVS price included shipping now.
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post #22 of 34
5/31/12 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by raehza View Post

Hey, thanks for the info but that website doesn't look very appealing to me and I honestly don't understand how their sub get sold. I only see a Passive sub for 700,- . The amp would have to be bought separately, thus needing more room it seems.


@Sputter

Did you have any other sub combinations in your room before? How happy are you with ur HSUs? Did you have to play around with positioning a lot?


Ray

I bought CHT's dual VS-18.1s and their Dayton SA 1000 amp for under 2k. My room in my basement is around 3600 ft^3 with carpeted/padded concrete floors. I also had the problem of my listening couch being in a bit of a dead spot. I also didn't want to move it back to get better bass.

I just couldn't find anything else which would give me the bang for the buck. They were quite big at 22 X 22 X 40 and guessing they weighed around 130 lbs each. The dayton amp has a built-in HP filter which can be turned on or off. They sound great in my room and I don't have to push them hard to get the effect I was wanting at my current listening position. I'm sure I could move them and get even a better response, but I'm satisfied I was able to put them where I wanted and get the sound I needed.

I did a lot of research before I bought from them. I've seen good and bad things regarding them. I recommend giving them a call. Chances are you'll get to talk to the owner Craig. They were pretty responsive to me via both email and pms on their site.

I've heard of some other vendors having issues with their custom plate amps. I purposely looked for passives which could be used with basically any amp available, and the driver, though custom, could always be replaced with another with similar specs once I'm out of warranty.

For a room that size, I would highly recommend duals regardless of which sub you decide to purchase. Determine you priorities and rank them: cost, size, website, performance, others input, etc.... Many of the ID products out there are good (SVS, JTR, Seaton, HSU, Epik, Rythmik, CHT etc...) and give you much better performance for the money compared to the standard brick and mortar brands. Good luck with your research.

Crap, didn't see you already picked HSU. They were actually one of my next choices. I think you'll be happy with your choice.
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5/31/12 at 3:02pm
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...6&postcount=52

Archaea, I saw that thread and you convinced me with it to get the HSUs. You may remember our long conversations via PMs about the Cap, it just didn't work out for me financially and due to WAF. She likes the look of the HSUs which allowed me to get 2 of them. One Cap was "ugly" enough for her, so it was a no go. Getting it in Piano black would have added 600,- to the Cap which would make it quiet expensive.


Thanks


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5/31/12 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by AVrebel View Post

I bought CHT's dual VS-18.1s and their Dayton SA 1000 amp for under 2k. My room in my basement is around 3600 ft^3 with carpeted/padded concrete floors. I also had the problem of my listening couch being in a bit of a dead spot. I also didn't want to move it back to get better bass.

I just couldn't find anything else which would give me the bang for the buck. They were quite big at 22 X 22 X 40 and guessing they weighed around 130 lbs each. The dayton amp has a built-in HP filter which can be turned on or off. They sound great in my room and I don't have to push them hard to get the effect I was wanting at my current listening position. I'm sure I could move them and get even a better response, but I'm satisfied I was able to put them where I wanted and get the sound I needed.

I did a lot of research before I bought from them. I've seen good and bad things regarding them. I recommend giving them a call. Chances are you'll get to talk to the owner Craig. They were pretty responsive to me via both email and pms on their site.

I've heard of some other vendors having issues with their custom plate amps. I purposely looked for passives which could be used with basically any amp available, and the driver, though custom, could always be replaced with another with similar specs once I'm out of warranty.

For a room that size, I would highly recommend duals regardless of which sub you decide to purchase. Determine you priorities and rank them: cost, size, website, performance, others input, etc.... Many of the ID products out there are good (SVS, JTR, Seaton, HSU, Epik, Rythmik, CHT etc...) and give you much better performance for the money compared to the standard brick and mortar brands. Good luck with your research.

Crap, didn't see you already picked HSU. They were actually one of my next choices. I think you'll be happy with your choice.

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy your CHT's!
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5/31/12 at 3:15pm
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Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy your CHT's!

Indeed, and considering how the 'WAF' was with a single Cap, I'm sure its good you didn't go with dual VS-18.1s as they are bit bigger and are not as nice of a finish as the HSU. My basement is nice and dark though
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post #26 of 34
6/1/12 at 8:55am
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Alright. Ordered the HSUs. No turning back now. What else do I need now? Obviously another Male to Male RCA cable but how do I attach both subs to my Denon 2112? In line or or via a RCA splitter?

Also, anyone interested in a near new PB12-NSD? lol

Ray

Please report back how you like one hsu as compare to your pb12. Also how 1 hsu compare to 2? Thanks.
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post #27 of 34
6/1/12 at 9:05am
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See now you made it harder for me, lol. A Captivator surely would be amazing to have. I am just scared that it may not cover my room by itself.... I'm sure it would be plenty loud and all, but I'm afraid of the highs and lows and that my seating position may not be ideal for the room dimensions.... Plus it takes so darn long to get a Captivator. I really hate waiting for gear over everything...


Ray

Take it from the audio experts, go with two good subs over one great subs.
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post #28 of 34
6/1/12 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by tvuong View Post

Please report back how you like one hsu as compare to your pb12. Also how 1 hsu compare to 2? Thanks.

Will do. I can't tell you how they will sound in any other room other than my HT basement, which isn't an ideal room, but if 1x HSU can pack a bigger punch than my NSD, that's gonna say a lot.

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Take it from the audio experts, go with two good subs over one great subs.

That's what I thought. When I called Jeff @ JTR, he asked me if I wanted two Subs instead of one, which is pricely not possible for me, but he kind of "indirectly" told me that 2x Subs is the way to go.

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I thought that SVS price included shipping now.

They do have free shipping but only for new orders. If you use their 1-year upgrade policy, you have to pay for the return shipping of your old sub AND the shipping for the new sub, which kind of makes the upgrade option, somewhat useless if you ask me.

Ed calculated the difference it would make to give back my NSD for an Ultra and the delta was around 470,-. In other words, I'd get back 470 dollars for a NSD that is about 4 months old.... But I guess my case is somewhat unique since apparently freight charges to NYC are ridiculous. Anywhere else would possibly make more sense. Plus they give a 5% discount to returning customers.



I will make a few Youtube recordings on of my old and new subs soon.
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post #29 of 34
6/1/12 at 11:04am
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Will do. I can't tell you how they will sound in any other room other than my HT basement, which isn't an ideal room, but if 1x HSU can pack a bigger punch than my NSD, that's gonna say a lot.

I am still running my one 7yrs old vtf2 in my dedicated room about 2800^3 and still impress with how it sounds. Just want to know if the vtf15 is a MAJOR step up that I can hear the BIG difference in my room. My wallet keeps getting empty hanging around here.
Curious to know how you plan to bring 2 100lbs boxes down to your basement?
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post #30 of 34
6/1/12 at 3:14pm
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I am still running my one 7yrs old vtf2 in my dedicated room about 2800^3 and still impress with how it sounds. Just want to know if the vtf15 is a MAJOR step up that I can hear the BIG difference in my room. My wallet keeps getting empty hanging around here.
Curious to know how you plan to bring 2 100lbs boxes down to your basement?

Just imagine more of what you already have that can dig deeper in the Hz.
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