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Looking for decent low-noise 2.1 (or similar) setup

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Subwoofer of my old logitech 2.1 setup is developing buzzing problems and it's time for a new set. I'm having trouble finding speakers with low ambient noise levels.

Requirements:
Cost: <$250, under 200 would be better
Connection: 3.5mm jack from my computer onboard sound, though it does have an optical out as well
Need surround: No, would rather have better 2.1 setup
Need headphone support: No
Room size: small (~150 sq. ft.)
Usage: Music at low volume, occasional movies at low-mid volume
Manufacturer: not Logitech

Have a new Klipsch Promedia 2.1 sitting in front of me that will probably be returned soon because the noise levels are much higher than my old crappy set even when audio input is unplugged. By noise I mean a static hiss like white-noise (no single-frequency problems). Hiss is audible from 2-3 ft away.

I apparently have better than average hearing (volume-wise), and finding a setup without this hissing is a problem. To give an idea of the volume levels I use, I have windows volume set to 50%, Klipsch speakers set to ~15%, and another external gain control set to 50%. Noise is unaffected by Klipsch volume knob below about 50%, and increases above this. Speakers are 2-3 ft away on my desk, and noise is still audible.

Does anyone have a suggestion for a speaker set with decent quality that is useful at low volumes, or know what to look for in specs to find one with really low hiss noise?
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post #3 of 16
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Thanks for the suggestion Dave. After looking online it seems some people complain about these speakers hissing as well though (all 3 versions).
post #4 of 16
If you like Logitech so much why not buy from them again? Perhaps something like the Z623. However, if you can stretch your budget -- or are willing to wait for a sale -- the Swan M50W will be hard to beat, from a sound perspective. Companies like Eagle Tech, Edifier and Genius offer a number of possible choices, so they might be worth investigating as well.
post #5 of 16
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Jim:
Actually I'm trying to avoid Logitech. Everything I've bought from them from speakers to mice have all developed annoying buzzing of one kind or another.

What I'd like to know is if there is something in speaker specifications I can look for that will let me tell what the ambient noise (hiss) levels are. The Promedias I have now are fine quality-wise except for the noise levels.

The M50W is more than I wanted to spend, but if there is something that indicates is will have much lower noise I'll save up for a little longer. I will keep the other companies in mind.
post #6 of 16
Since speakers do not produce noise, I assume you are talking about powered speakers, with a built-in amplifier. The amplifier produces the noise.

The Audioengine 2 speakers are the best-sounding powered speakers I know of; definitely no noise to speak of and excellent audio quality.

Stereophile did an article on them a while back; it is worth reading; check it out on their website.

It sound like you already have a sub, which you can probably retain to use with them. I use a Sony SAW-3000.




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Originally Posted by MrPhotonic View Post

Jim:
Actually I'm trying to avoid Logitech. Everything I've bought from them from speakers to mice have all developed annoying buzzing of one kind or another.

What I'd like to know is if there is something in speaker specifications I can look for that will let me tell what the ambient noise (hiss) levels are. The Promedias I have now are fine quality-wise except for the noise levels.

The M50W is more than I wanted to spend, but if there is something that indicates is will have much lower noise I'll save up for a little longer. I will keep the other companies in mind.
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by MrPhotonic View Post

What I'd like to know is if there is something in speaker specifications I can look for that will let me tell what the ambient noise (hiss) levels are. The Promedias I have now are fine quality-wise except for the noise levels.

Amplifiers have a rating for signal-to-noise ratio, which may be what you're looking for. I don't think most 2.1 systems publish that specification though, so you may find it difficult to obtain.


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The M50W is more than I wanted to spend, but if there is something that indicates is will have much lower noise I'll save up for a little longer. I will keep the other companies in mind.

I own the Swan M20W myself. Other then missing a little on the bottom end it's an excellent setup. However, the M20W seems to be discontinued, which is why I suggested the M50W instead.

If you're interested in the M20W I might be able to sell you mine. I was thinking about get the M50W myself, so maybe I can be persuaded. PM me if interested.
post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
The amp for the Klipsch speakers is in the subwoofer, so no easy way to change that.

Will definitely look into the Audioengine 2s. I only have a sub integrated into the 2.1 system right now, and that's the failing component. Suggestions for components if I go the 2.0 + subwoofer route? I've not really done an audio setup myself before, but I would need some kind or receiver/dac to connect the 2 Audioengines and subwoofer to right? Or can I just split a 3.5mm line out jack into multiple RCA cables?
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Amplifiers have a rating for signal-to-noise ratio, which may be what you're looking for. I don't think most 2.1 systems publish that specification though, so you may find it difficult to obtain.

Would I need to look at the power use as well? In other words, would a 60W speaker have twice the noise level of a 30W speaker, both using the same amplifier?
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by MrPhotonic View Post

Would I need to look at the power use as well? In other words, would a 60W speaker have twice the noise level of a 30W speaker, both using the same amplifier?

The quality of the amplifier section determines the noise ratio, not the watts, so you can't really make a direct correlation that way.
post #11 of 16
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The quality of the amplifier section determines the noise ratio, not the watts, so you can't really make a direct correlation that way.

I mean would the absolute noise level be twice as high, and the SNR the same for both?
post #12 of 16
Strange about the Promedia 2.1s. I had a set for years, and I never had any major background noise issues like that. Perhaps you got a bad set, or maybe Klipsch has gone cheaper on the amp. If you bought them locally, you might consider trying another set at the store.
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I mean would the absolute noise level be twice as high, and the SNR the same for both?

No; the SNR doesn't change, regardless of the wattage. It's not a standard number or ratio, but instead is based upon how 'clean' the amplifier section is. The higher the number the better.

Have you tried a different input and/or cable? I've had the source device cause hiss and annoying sounds, even with a good speaker system. My Swan M20W speakers sound noticably cleaner running from my laptop as the source then my MP3 player.
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Have you tried a different input and/or cable? I've had the source device cause hiss and annoying sounds, even with a good speaker system. My Swan M20W speakers sound noticably cleaner running from my laptop as the source then my MP3 player.

As stated in the OP, the hiss remains even when not connected to any input. I plugged in the speakers on the other side of my apartment (with no input) and had the same results. Most people would probably not be bothered by noise at this level (especially if sitting more than 5-6 feet away), but I'm running a nearly silent PC because regular buzzing/clicking/hissing noises really annoy me.

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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

No; the SNR doesn't change, regardless of the wattage. It's not a standard number or ratio, but instead is based upon how 'clean' the amplifier section is. The higher the number the better.

I guess I'm describing this poorly. Say I have 2 powered speakers: One that uses 30W at max volume and another that uses 60W at max volume. An amplifier with an SNR of 100 outputs the same signal to both. Doesn't speaker 1 now produce (ideally) 60W of sound plus 0.6W of noise, and speaker 2 30W of sound plus 0.3W of noise? Maybe the amplifier/power are more closely tied than this?

Thanks for your help BTW.
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by MrPhotonic View Post

Thanks for the suggestion Dave. After looking online it seems some people complain about these speakers hissing as well though (all 3 versions).

That's odd. I have four sets of the Cambridge and have never heard any hiss from any of them. I think there may be a slight hum from one but I believe that's more from the source.
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by MrPhotonic View Post

I guess I'm describing this poorly. Say I have 2 powered speakers: One that uses 30W at max volume and another that uses 60W at max volume. An amplifier with an SNR of 100 outputs the same signal to both. Doesn't speaker 1 now produce (ideally) 60W of sound plus 0.6W of noise, and speaker 2 30W of sound plus 0.3W of noise? Maybe the amplifier/power are more closely tied than this?

To me it still seems as though you consider it a ratio or percentage, when it actuality it's not. Perhaps this article is able to explain it better then I can.
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