Titanic - Page 3

That's what I figured... just wondering if maybe it came out early in some other country and I missed it.

^I can't wait for my copy....

Nor can I Im looking forward to it. They told me hopefully this week.

Interesting that they clipped off some of Rose's stray hair in the 3-D version. I guess little details like that are just too much of a bitch to convert.

Also interesting is there seems to be some contrast differences between the 3D/2D versions. Could be a byproduct of capturing the different streams though.

I am curious whether those errant stray hairs are consistently brushed out or do they flicker in length. Mmm. Inquiring OCD minds need to know.

The 3D version has some DNR applied, not egregious but is notable, causing less defined film grain as well a tad softer.
In the iconic shot of Jack and Rose at the front of the ship, via http://www.blu-raydefinition.com/reviews/titanic-limited-3d-edition-blu-ray-review.html, it exhibits the 'force field effect' clearly around Rose's arm in particular.

2D
http://cdn.blu-raydefinition.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Titanic-2D-BD_10.jpg?d9c344

3D
http://cdn.blu-raydefinition.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Titanic-3D-BD_2.jpg?d9c344


Pretty clear difference in grain structure.
2D
http://hcd-1.imgbox.com/abxs3ELI.png?st=FJJOIEp0Q0Xh0rLVvmsxKg&e=1346592382

3D
http://hcd-1.imgbox.com/abksuZrv.png?st=bjXgiFhKHt1D-5dt1YH_JA&e=1346592381


Wish I had an enormous projection screen; perhaps Panasonic will finally dethrone my display with a shiny 65" next year.
Thus far looks like an awesome release with the overall edge in detail with the 2D version.

Best Regards
KvE
Edited by KMFDMvsEnya - 9/2/12 at 8:23am

What I find more interesting is how the perspective changes between shots, like the wooden panelling behind Rose, and the slightly flattened angle of the shoulder of the chair. The laziest conversions always seem to be content with simply shifting the background a bit, instead of trying to sell the effect using the foregound as well. It's no wonder, then, that Titanic's 3D conversion took so long and cost so much ($18m), because it's one of the best theatrical 3D presentations I've ever seen, bested only by Avatar.

Maybe I missed it in this thread, but I'm surprised that no one's commented on the dreaded and ubiquitous tealing of the Blu-ray, compared to the DVD. This is such a sad, sad trend. (I'm not seeing as much amberfying as usual, though. Some good news.)

I don't care about the DVD. The movie did not look teal in its IMAX 3D presentation. It doesn't look teal here.

No teal? I knew there was a reason I disagreed with you on Jaws. If you can't see the teal in the Titanic shots, then WOW!

Any definitive word yet on whether the 3D version (16:9) is playable on a 2D BD player? Would like to have the option of 16:9 and scope versions but don't want to pay for the 3D package if I can't play it...

No teal? Titanic has teal. It is a color that exists in the world. But there is nothing revisionist about the colors on the new digital master (which, incidentally, I saw without split-screening it with the DVD). It looks like Titanic. The whole second half would be a perfect opportunity to teal things up, but what do ya know, it looks blue as usual. The first half has the warm tones it always has. Of course some of the people here see teal in their sleep, and as usual, hold the DVD as the golden standard of color reproduction, which tells you everything you need to know.
Edited by 42041 - 9/2/12 at 2:13pm

The only shot that looks "wrong" to me from the caps-a-holic link is #8. The sky in the DVD looks like how I've always remembered that scene. But then that's from years of watchng it on VHS and DVD, so maybe (and probably more likely) they were wrong. The night scenes look perfec with that trademark Cameron blue.

If there is a teal push it is a slight one and nowhere near as bad as the likes of Demolition Man or other Warner titles.

There are good reasons why Titanic won the Best Picture Academy Award and was also the biggest money-maker of all time when it was released. Other than for fuddy-duddies who like to dismiss a movie for one small reason or another, Titanic succeeded on many levels. Historic accuracy and attention to detail in many ways, a great disaster story, a classic villain or two, and yes, even the romance all came together very well.

I don't see any over abundance of teal in any of those screenshots. If anything, the color looks far more natural on the Bluray on my calibrated computer monitor. But people do love to over-exaggerate around here.

I'm sure it won't matter so much viewing in isolation, but anyone who denies that there isn't a teal push from the DVD to the Blu-ray at capsaholic, well...I don't know what to tell you.

Maybe the DVD was timed wrong and the Blu-ray now corrects that. Possibly.

Maybe capsaholic's captures are imperfect. Conceivable.

Perhaps my monitor(s) are wonky. I suppose.

But given the undeniable trend of major directors (Ridley Scott, I'm looking at you) to tealify their catalog releases, isn't it just a teensy weensy teeny tiny bit coincidental that the Titanic Blu-ray shows the same tealification, even allowing for the foregoing variables?

I mean, if Cameron really were "correcting" the DVD's mistiming, why wouldn't the Blu-ray be, say, redder? More yellow? Purplier? Nope. It just happened to shift tealwise.

Well, that's the thing. If it doesn't matter in actual viewing, I'm not going to deny it or not deny it: I just don't care. The bottom line is that the overall viewing experience in IMAX 3D was not teal or "modernized" or whatever, it looked well-balanced and natural, and this appears to be the same in terms of color. I'll leave the pedantry and screenshot colorimetry (which I consider completely silly, given how poorly humans percieve absolute color) to others.
Maybe the digital colorist erred on the side of teal in some shots. I'm still struggling to understand why a teal push is worse than any other color push, aside from the fact that's it fashionable to whine about. Maybe the colorist made it too red or blue for the old transfer. What matters is the color on the original prints, and neither of us have one handy. From my experience, the considerable majority of DVD-era video transfers have colors/contrast/brightness that are way off from the prints.
Edited by 42041 - 9/2/12 at 7:54pm

Cool color palette is a signature trademark of Cameron's work.

This is why I feel that this 'teal/orange' ire is a non-issue. Titanic has been judicially and expertly timed which is completely consistent and complimentary to Cameron's visual aesthetic and intended look for this film.

Whereas other filmmakers, especially in the past decade, have turned the dial up to 11.
Be it with contemporary films or absolute abominable revisions of films that were never meant to look like oompa loompas blended in a blueberry smoothie.

Need to pick your battles and this really should not be one of them.
Thus far Titanic looks fantastic and I look forward to what the future holds for his other films. Just wish he would get them done and released sooner.

Best Regards
KvE

-Have not watched my SE DVD in years but I do not recall it looking as poor as the German version, perhaps it is the same but I plan to wait for the BR to watch it again.
Edited by KMFDMvsEnya - 9/2/12 at 8:33pm

^After looking at that, I think I'll take the 2D.

I ordered the amazon exclusive, I'll get everything in every possible color palette

As good as the 3-D version is the definitive version will always be the original 2D in glorious 2.35:1.

Not seeing blatant teal in any of the shots so far.

This is teal:


This is teal blue which is actually the color that movies are timed with nowadays and makes certain people go nuts:


The night filter in Titanic looks more like:

Check out comparison #5, one of Jack's drawings. The letterboxed version has a slight teal push while the 1.78 3D has a warmer tone. And some shots have no colour/contrast changes at all. The differences in framing I find interesting though because it's not a simple open matte job all the way through. Some scenes have been shifted up, others have been stretched (look at #3, it's slight but it's there), and the shots of the ship appear to have been enlarged across the board.

Very excited for this release.

Fair warning if you do not want to observe the seams of the 3D conversion process, do not expand the spoiler tag.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Best Regards
KvE
Edited by KMFDMvsEnya - 9/3/12 at 6:42pm

Converted 3D will always have flaws and imperfections. The depth information for the other frame/eye is simply not there and must be faked. The digitally altered frame can sometimes look odd.

The biggest drawback IMO at the moment is that reflections in converted 3-D are almost always left flat.

Setting aside Titanic for a moment, I remember feeling that the trailers for Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol were horrifically teal. When I saw that movie in digital IMAX, I found it to be hardly very teal at all. But then the movie came to Blu-ray, and it's nightmarishly teal again. The scene in the secret train car IMF base stands out in particular. I remember how bad that scene looked in the trailers, and specifically taking a hard look at the colors in the theater.

I suspect that the color temperature of lamps in cinema projectors has an impact on this, and that the films' color timers are grading for that without adjusting for D65 in the home video transfers. That's just a preliminary theory, though. I don't have proof of this yet.

Wow, very surprise that Redbox will have this on blu ray for Rental. They normally dont have old release on blu ray

Well, I've watched the original DVD for so many times. 3D and then BD? They are awesome as well, yet, I don't quite get it actually.