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post #31 of 100
In defense of this film though I will say that I will say EVERY movie I have seen in 3d in the theater looked better at home. This is still a buy for me when it's released on 3d Blu ray but I will also be crossing my fingers for a directors cut that explains things a little better
post #32 of 100
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In defense of this film though I will say that I will say EVERY movie I have seen in 3d in the theater looked better at home. This is still a buy for me when it's released on 3d Blu ray but I will also be crossing my fingers for a directors cut that explains things a little better

Was just going to ask this question.

I have not been to the theater in years. I know my 2D PQ and sound system is better than the theaters. I have not been to the theater for 3D since Jaws 3D probably 30 years ago.

So how does the 3D quality in the theaters compare to a good projection system at home?
post #33 of 100
I saw it in RealD 3D yesterday.

Quite obviously this is another film that (as with Avatar) had many scene elements captured on 3D cameras. However, being an SF movie there were also many shots that were produced entirely digitally. I did occasionally notice in such a scene that the elements onscreen were grouped into foreground/middle/background when it came to depth - in other words, some popped out, some appeared to be on screen, and some were behind the screen, at THREE distinct levels. I have seen this in many scenes that I believe are composited from assorted digital elements, and I consider it to be a 3D post-production software limitation that seperates such scenes from the smooth continuous look of scenes captured by actual 3D cameras.

I have only seen about a dozen 3D productions total, and IMHO Prometheus is still second to Avatar in believable 3D quality.

As for the movie and it's plot, I won't give anything away, but I do believe that Prometheus does the following (for anyone who could follow along as it was portrayed):

a) Provides a complete and logical view of the origin of both the human race and the Aliens, entirely consistent with BOTH the fossil evidence on the Earth and the various evidence discovered on the planets of the Aliens in the other movies.

b) Is entirely consistent with the prior Aliens movies 1-4, but NOT with the Alien vs. Predator series.

c) Succeeds in telling a standalone tale that does not depend upon any prior knowledge of another movie to understand. It is an entertaining and worthy SF story all by itself.

I once again found myself wishing that I could manually dial down the level of "popout" to a more realistic amount as I do at home on my Panasonic BD player. I would like the 3D popout at a more restrained level than I saw in the theater, for realism's sake. But I really don't even know if that is an option in a commercial theater.

One further comment: I brought with me and used a pair of passive 3D glasses I got with my HP 2311gt (FPR technology). These are wraparound 3d glasses that I find reduce crosstalk versus the flat RealD 3D glasses supplied at the theater.
Edited by Gary McCoy - 6/9/12 at 8:50am
post #34 of 100
I thought the 3D in this one was very well done. Not so much that it felt like a "gimmick", but enough to keep you "there". Very natural, that's why people are saying they forget that it's in 3D after a few minutes. IMO, that means it was done right.

Also a good example of why it's better to shoot in 3D than to post-convert. Some of the most convincing shots were the simplest. For example, seeing the separation between the actor and the glass helmets they were wearing. That would be very difficult, if not impossible, to do with post-conversion.

Definitely picking this one up in 3D. Now I just need a Blu-ray drive that can play it.. hehe.
post #35 of 100
I saw this last night in the RealD 3D format, provided by the Sony 4K projector. I thought the wide shots of landscape/water was awesome (my fav). I already have this in my Pre-order queue at Amazon and looking forward to seeing this at home.
post #36 of 100
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I saw it in IMAX 3d and still felt the depth wasn't there. There certainly was times you knew it was 3d but only because of holographic screens or text overlapping something. Im not asking for a film loaded with pop out but to me I just did not see any depth really ever.
Hmm, I detected plenty of 3D. What's your idea of good 3D?
post #37 of 100
I saw it today on a RealD screen and I also thought the 3D worked well most of the time, especially as so much of the movie takes place in dark places. The shots of the large rooms and long corridors under the surface of LV223 were served well by the 3D, giving them a nice sense of scale and depth into the screen. While there isn't much to speak of in the way of pop, the 3D definitely helped draw me in to the environments. It doesn't hit you over the head but also definitely provides a different feel from seeing the same scenes in traditional 2D.

In terms of the film itself, I thought it tried to be both a hardcore, "big idea" science fiction film as well as a horror movie like its illustrious predecessor but didn't really succeed at accomplishing either. While the film poses some pretty interesting questions about where we may come from, the crew sent to find the answers is made up of some of the stupidest people you are ever likely to meet. The idiotic way in which some of the characters interact with the mysteries they encounter pretty much dooms Prometheus from ever being mentioned in the same breath as 2001 or Forbidden Planet (or even the first Alien). In terms of scares, the movie never manages to reach that frantic, visceral pace of the original, presenting instead a deliberate, almost leisurely story punctuated by moments of stress.

Other than Noomi Rapace's Dr. Shaw and Michael Fassbender's robotic David (a precursor to Ash and Bishop) the rest of the cast is made up of forgettable non-entities who pretty much stand around and do nothing other than provide the occasional fodder. Charlize Theron is utterly superfluous as the requisite Company bureaucrat, Logan Marshall Green comes across as such a jerk as Dr. Holloway that you feel zero empathy for him when David decides to conduct a little experiment. Idris Elba has little to do beyond trying to get in Theron's pants before displaying a little final act heroism. And Sean Harris and Rafe Spall (Fifield and Milburn) may well be two of the stupidest people ever put on film, leaving you to wonder who in their right mind would put these two morons on a spaceship with such an important mission.

While I still think the movie is worth a look for fans of the genre (and I definitely plan to add it to my collection when its released on BluRay 3D), if Ridley Scott intends to make a sequel to Blade Runner or a followup to Prometheus (the ending of the film clearly leaves open the possibility of more films) one can only hope he will get some better writers. Damon Lindeloff's (of Lost fame) rewrite of a Jon Spaihts draft clearly isn't up to the task and is an indictment of what passes for good writing in Hollywood these days
Edited by TonyDP - 6/9/12 at 6:43pm
post #38 of 100
The movie is horrible, a complete embarrassment.

But let's talk strictly about the 3D. I saw it in digital IMAX 3D. While I thought the 3D was pretty effective in the film's early scenes, it more or less stopped being 3D at all in the second half. This seems to be mostly the fault of Ridley Scott, who composed most of his scenes in wide shots with few foreground objects to provide depth cues and perspective, almost as if he got bored with the 3D and stopped trying. After a certain distance, everything appears to be on the same plane. The 3D was worthless for much of the movie.

Due to the linear polarization of the glasses, the IMAX 3D format also has terrible crosstalk unless you keep your head perfectly level. Tilt it just a smidge, and it's ghosting galore. This was a problem for my wife, who likes to rest her head on my shoulder during the scary scenes (in other words, that one scene - you'll know the one when you see it).
post #39 of 100
I enjoyed myself during this movie. I thought it was wonderful in every aspect. The 3D was subtle but drew you in when it needed to, but mostly, I just loved the infinite possibilities it created in explaining the beginning of the original Alien movie.
post #40 of 100
I only saw this one in 2D, but I really, really enjoyed it.

I thought it did a great job of setting up the history of the franchise and had the same creepy, dark feeling the original movie had.

I think the end had a few too many mindless action cliches for its own good, but I completely regret not seeing this in 3D. The first five minutes looked like a freaking Imax documentary about another planet.
post #41 of 100
I don't know why people have to complain about a much better than average quality SF film. If you want to complain, complain about a Transformers movie, or the second remake of the same comic book. Compared to the 1979 original film Alien, this film is well made and competently scripted and has much better special effects. I watched the original last week.

Let us remember that in 1979 Ridley Scott cut almost all the alien scenes he had shot, because in most of them it looked like a man in a rubber suit. People want to credit him with making a good horror movie using the "less is better" shocking scene treatments of a good ghost story, but he blew his budget on Giger's props, and then had to work around an alien that just did not look convincing.

He used a green screen terminal and a teletype keyboard that were 1950's vintage in a 1979 film. Oh, yeah - sit inside the computer and have a converstion in English text. How unconvincing is THAT?

Prometheus is lots better than the original film. Prometheus is now my second favorite series entry after Aliens.

Quite obviously this is another film that (as with Avatar) had many scene elements captured on 3D cameras. However, being an SF movie there were also many shots that were produced entirely digitally. I did occasionally notice in such a scene that the elements onscreen were grouped into foreground/middle/background when it came to depth - in other words, some popped out, some appeared to be on screen, and some were behind the screen, at THREE distinct levels. I have seen this in many scenes that I believe are composited from assorted digital elements, and I consider it to be a 3D post-production software limitation that seperates such scenes from the smooth continuous look of scenes captured by actual 3D cameras.

I have only seen about a dozen 3D productions total, and IMHO Prometheus is still second to Avatar in believable 3D quality.

As for the movie and it's plot, I won't give anything away, but I do believe that Prometheus does the following (for anyone who could follow along as it was portrayed):

a) Provides a complete and logical view of the origin of both the human race and the Aliens, entirely consistent with BOTH the fossil evidence on the Earth and the various evidence discovered on the planets of the Aliens in the other movies.

b) Is entirely consistent with the prior Aliens movies 1-4, but NOT with the Alien vs. Predator series.

c) Succeeds in telling a standalone tale that does not depend upon any prior knowledge of another movie to understand. It is an entertaining and worthy SF story all by itself.
post #42 of 100
[quote name="Josh Z" url="/t/1413310/prometheus-3d-reviews-theater/30#post_22116311" This was a problem for my wife, who likes to rest her head on my shoulder during the scary scenes (in other words, that one scene - you'll know the one when you see it).[/quote]

There's another problem, it wasn't very scary or tense. The suspense was lacking and the make you jump scenes were obvious (although the guy next to me did jump).
post #43 of 100
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Originally Posted by Gary McCoy View Post

Let us remember that in 1979 Ridley Scott cut almost all the alien scenes he had shot, because in most of them it looked like a man in a rubber suit. People want to credit him with making a good horror movie using the "less is better" shocking scene treatments of a good ghost story, but he blew his budget on Giger's props, and then had to work around an alien that just did not look convincing.
He used a green screen terminal and a teletype keyboard that were 1950's vintage in a 1979 film. Oh, yeah - sit inside the computer and have a converstion in English text. How unconvincing is THAT?

At least that guy in a suit was an awesome and menacing design. I was more convinced of being afraid of it than a big, buff albino guy. Don't worry, in 30 years we'll probably look back and scoff at the Ipad type technology they use in this film. If you want to talk about unconvincing, lets talk about characters.
It doesn't get much more unconvincing than with these clowns in Prometheus. At least Alien had excellent characters that were believable and even more important - likable. Plus all of the performances of those characters were on the money. Everyone except Fassbender was lame in Prometheus. In Alien, I feared for the humans and wanted them to make it out. With Prometheus, they all could've suffered terrible deaths, and I would've thought good riddance.
Ohh yeah, and also, did you find the horrendous and pointless to do old man make-up convincing? I found that to be way more offensive than the technology or the guy in an Alien suit from the first one. Sorry, I don't mean to sound like a jerk on this one, but my feelings and opinions are getting more wound up as I continue to think about the movie.
post #44 of 100
I am surprised that the Imax presentation is so poor with regard to crosstalk. There was no such issue with the RealD 3D presentation which was crosstalk free with consistent 3D throughout the movie. What I saw bears no resemblance to the dissapointing mess Josh Z was subjected too.
post #45 of 100
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At least that guy in a suit was an awesome and menacing design. I was more convinced of being afraid of it than a big, buff albino guy. Don't worry, in 30 years we'll probably look back and scoff at the Ipad type technology they use in this film. If you want to talk about unconvincing, lets talk about characters.
It doesn't get much more unconvincing than with these clowns in Prometheus. At least Alien had excellent characters that were believable and even more important - likable. Plus all of the performances of those characters were on the money. Everyone except Fassbender was lame in Prometheus. In Alien, I feared for the humans and wanted them to make it out. With Prometheus, they all could've suffered terrible deaths, and I would've thought good riddance.
Ohh yeah, and also, did you find the horrendous and pointless to do old man make-up convincing? I found that to be way more offensive than the technology or the guy in an Alien suit from the first one. Sorry, I don't mean to sound like a jerk on this one, but my feelings and opinions are getting more wound up as I continue to think about the movie.

If you want a balanced perspective, then view the 1979 original again, as I just did last week. In fact, it does not age well. It scares you ONCE on the first viewing, and it's never the same again. But Prometheus is another layered SF movie that will reveal more with each viewing.

There are flawed characters in both movies. There is a single female heroic figure in each. There is a menacing, possibly defective android in each, who has a different agenda than the rest of the crew. Both films push the state of the art (for their time) in special effects.
post #46 of 100
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I am surprised that the Imax presentation is so poor with regard to crosstalk. There was no such issue with the RealD 3D presentation which was crosstalk free with consistent 3D throughout the movie. What I saw bears no resemblance to the dissapointing mess Josh Z was subjected too.

IMAX 3D glasses have linear polariztion, which is prone to crosstalk unless your head is level. RealD glasses have circular polarization, which has more leeway in that regard. The crosstalk issue may be specific to IMAX. However, assuming you keep aligned, the 3D effect itself shouldn't be affected. Which is why I'm surprised that so many people were impressed by it, when the movie I saw basically stoppped being 3D in the second half.
post #47 of 100
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Originally Posted by Gary McCoy View Post

If you want a balanced perspective, then view the 1979 original again, as I just did last week. In fact, it does not age well. It scares you ONCE on the first viewing, and it's never the same again. But Prometheus is another layered SF movie that will reveal more with each viewing.

Gary, having also rewatched Alien again recently, I think you're nuts. The original film is a masterpiece. This one is a trainwreck of monumental proportions.

Since this is the 3D forum, that's all I'm going to say about that in this thread.
post #48 of 100
I also watched Alien again recently and thought it was basically a masterpiece. Prometheus, although worth seeing IMO, i thought blundered terribly in a few parts. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The exploding head scene... The whole fight scene in the hanger bay by what essentially was a zombie? Then having Charlise Theron run length wise to get out from under the falling alien ship instead of stepping sideways. Why did the doctor start acting like such an ass all of a sudden? Why did the doctor not say anything about his condition? Im mean, in the first half i was on another planet with them, a scary one. I'd have sacrificed a dozen other scenes to keep that feeling going. Instead we went back to Hollywood, if you get my meaning.
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I am surprised that the Imax presentation is so poor with regard to crosstalk. There was no such issue with the RealD 3D presentation which was crosstalk free with consistent 3D throughout the movie. What I saw bears no resemblance to the disappointing mess Josh Z was subjected too.
I also saw no crosstalk in a RealD theater, which seemed bright and clear. The theater i go to has IMAX across the hall (literally) with a much bigger screen and yet I prefer the RealD as after having tested both by going back and forth a few times, I found the RealD to be a bit brighter with higher motion resolution. It seems to have gotten ever better this time around too. I complained a couple times to the management hoping they would increase the brightness of Imax and all the 3D projectors, I wonder if that had an effect.
Edited by tory40 - 6/10/12 at 10:00am
post #49 of 100
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Originally Posted by cbcdesign View Post

I am surprised that the Imax presentation is so poor with regard to crosstalk. There was no such issue with the RealD 3D presentation which was crosstalk free with consistent 3D throughout the movie. What I saw bears no resemblance to the dissapointing mess Josh Z was subjected too.
For what it's worth the IMAX show I went to had a normal amount of crosstalk- restricted to very bright and deep or popout objects on very dark backgrounds.
post #50 of 100
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Originally Posted by Gary McCoy View Post

If you want a balanced perspective, then view the 1979 original again, as I just did last week. In fact, it does not age well. It scares you ONCE on the first viewing, and it's never the same again. But Prometheus is another layered SF movie that will reveal more with each viewing.

I guess once is better than not at all like with Prometheus. I still find being stuck in a room with the Alien or not knowing where it could be on the ship, while not having the means of possessing effective weapons or escape pretty creepy. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
post #51 of 100
There's more to scaring than just jump scares...

I guess it depends on how concerned you are with the characters. If you don't care about them then you won't fear for their livelihood. I find myself sympathizing even with the less likable people. At least they all had understandable motives, they weren't just hungry for anarchy.

Personally I'd rather have this kind of movie than the teen slasher horrors.
Edited by cakefoo - 6/10/12 at 1:33pm
post #52 of 100
I'm surprised to hear that it only did 54% of its revenue in 3D. Virtually everyone on another forum I frequent agree that 3D was the way to see this. Then again the average adult seems to stubbornly hate 3D unconditionally because of some bad movie they saw in the 80's.
post #53 of 100
This blogger has an interesting theory about the movie's key plot elements.

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html
post #54 of 100
I saw it again today in an Imax theater that used DPL technology (i guess). I was sitting closer than normal, but not uncomfortably close and i could see what looked like pixels in bright scenes. I wouldn't want to see a bright movie with a daytime setting in there. Since we sat closer, the 3D was less so, which was a mistake, but the center seats were taken. This IMAX viewing, like all the others i've seen was not as good as the RealD theater at the Thorton Place Regal Cinemas theater in Seattle. I'm glad i went though, because i've now confirmed that the RealD, at least at this location, KILLS IMAX 3D in clarity and brightness, and now a new category: absence of pixels. I had hoped they might have upped the brightness, but i could tell immediately during the beginning during the fly-over landscape shots. Not nearly and bright, not nearly as fine a picture. The sad thing is, there was a line for the IMAX, but not for the RealD, which was sad to see, since all you need to do to get the IMAX experience, is sit closer.

RealD 3D > IMAX 3D!
post #55 of 100
I'm not going to bother spoiler tagging--if you haven't seen the film, skip this post I guess...or better yet, skip this thread until you've seen it lol

I just watched it today and can't remember what happened to the biologist and geologist? The geologist had his helmet melted onto his face...so I guess he died? The biologist had the snake crawl down his throat, but did he die too? That scene became a little hard to follow when the Dr got sick and they had to get him out of there--I lost track of what happened to the other two.
Edited by JediMastr - 6/10/12 at 9:27pm
post #56 of 100
Seeing it again today in 2d made me realize two things:

1) My original take on the 3d was completely changed after seeing what flat REALLY looks like

2) I answered a lot of my own questions by seeing it again

I can agree with maybe 2.5 of the 3 things Gary says the movie does. I still am not convinced it CLEARLY states the origins of the Xenomorph. I think you can ASSUME certain things but it does not CLEARLY say anywhere in the film this becomes this as a result of this. In fact there is even somewhat of timeline inconsistencies. Gary, if you would like to pm me some of your theories, maybe you can help fill in some blanks for me.

I cannot however agree that his is better than Alien or that Alien is somehow inferior because it is dated. I even commented to my friend when rewatching Alien that the difference between the way the sets looked in Alien vs Prometheus is nowhere near as drastic as the differences between SW episodes 4-6 vs 1-3. There are scenes in Alien that still creep me out and I'm 33. I think the largest problem with Prometheus is regardless people are going to assume it is part of the Alien franchise and not a standalone film. When you do that, you naturally compare it to the other films which in my opinion were different genres. Alien was definitely a sci fi horror. I feel Prometheus is more of just a sci fi film, no horror. I do not believe Scotts intent was to try to make it a horror film at all.

I think anyone on the fence after seeing this should give it a second go. I really enjoyed it so much more the second time, minus the lack of video quality this time.
post #57 of 100
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RealD, at least at this location, KILLS IMAX 3D
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RealD 3D > IMAX 3D!
One of those quotes is not accurate... wink.gif

Generally IMAX is superior or else they wouldn't be able to charge $X more.
post #58 of 100
Help me out guys. By everything I'm reading on here it seems like RealD is superior to IMAX 3D with this film. I haven't seen a "new" 3D movie yet even though there's been a lot of hype the last few years. I've read that RealD is more depth, and IMAX more pop out, etc. I can't figure out which one to see it in. The movie was shot for RealD I read, which makes sense if it's more about depth as everyone is saying on here. But could the IMAX cross talk be from lazy people not setting the projectors right? I was leaning towards IMAX, but you guys are making me lean for RealD now.
post #59 of 100
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Help me out guys. By everything I'm reading on here it seems like RealD is superior to IMAX 3D with this film. I haven't seen a "new" 3D movie yet even though there's been a lot of hype the last few years. I've read that RealD is more depth, and IMAX more pop out, etc. I can't figure out which one to see it in. The movie was shot for RealD I read, which makes sense if it's more about depth as everyone is saying on here. But could the IMAX cross talk be from lazy people not setting the projectors right? I was leaning towards IMAX, but you guys are making me lean for RealD now.
You are falling for all the misinformation from our AVS community members. RealD is only "superior" to IMAX if your IMAX theater happens to be garbage while your RealD theater happens to be top notch. Otherwise, in general, IMAX is superior to RealD.

The IMAX crosstalk is that particular person's theater's problem. Whatever it was, it wasn't normal.
post #60 of 100
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Originally Posted by ahhhhhh View Post

Help me out guys. By everything I'm reading on here it seems like RealD is superior to IMAX 3D with this film. I haven't seen a "new" 3D movie yet even though there's been a lot of hype the last few years. I've read that RealD is more depth, and IMAX more pop out, etc. I can't figure out which one to see it in. The movie was shot for RealD I read, which makes sense if it's more about depth as everyone is saying on here. But could the IMAX cross talk be from lazy people not setting the projectors right? I was leaning towards IMAX, but you guys are making me lean for RealD now.
Neither should have more depth, or at least it should be truly an insignificant amount, overall, a lot depend on where you sit. There was no crosstalk in the IMAX, or not that i noticed. I was only referring to the brightness and clarity. It was not a close race, and the RealD is better than their main IMAX theater too.
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