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post #61 of 169
What Apple does better than everyone else is to convince people that they are still the 'underdog' or 'different' even though the homeless girl selling me individual chiclets in Tijuana has an iphone. It really is quite genius how they do it.

Even today every Tom, Dick and Harry on college campuses who barely have enough food day to day are equipped with $3000 Macbook pros and $700 ipads. AND they still consider themselves 'outside the norm' despite proudly strutting the wares of the MOST capitalist company ever to exist.

I'm a pretty tech savvy guy who likes video games. So I have a hard time justifying buying an Apple computer / laptop that is 3 times as expensive and 1/3 of the speed of something I can build myself. And only has like 4 new video game releases a year. By video games, I mean PC games that require more than a pulse and a finger tip to play.

But I'll give Apple all the credit in the world because Apple opened my eyes to the jaw-droppingly massive difference in LCD display technology. If Apple didn't exist, we'd all still be looking at ghetto-ass hideous TN panels on every laptop , work computer, monitor in the world. Anyone who owns a S-IPS computer monitor knows exactly what I am talking about. I'd rather give up computing entirely than ever go back to a TN monitor ever again. Thank you Steve Jobs. Really.

I guess what I am leading towards, is that Apple has always been and always will be a mighty and fearless champion of awesome LCD display technology (honorable mention to NEC as well.) In fact, they have more laurels than Samsung / Panasonic / Sony in this regard. That gives them instant credibility in my book in the HDTV world. And if anything, Apple's entrance into this market at the very least will give Panasonic / Sony / Samsung the iron-toed kick in their asses they've always needed since they decided slapping a big 3D image on the box was more important to the masses than fixing fluxuating brightness pops, making downright insulting remote controls, or lying to us about 800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000:1 contrast ratio gimmicks, etc.

At the very least, Apple will greatly benefit us consumers in this regard.
post #62 of 169
Think APPS. no one thought the iPhone was too revolutionary until they realized what app developers could create and do with the device. With apps and iOS the possibilities of what your tv can become and do our endless! Gaming, video, music, computing, etc. And with Siri, even better. "Siri, record all the Seinfeld episodes and any soccer game that comes on this weekend" oh yeah, and your DVR is in apples iCloud so you an watch anything recorded on any device. That my friends is revolutionary.
post #63 of 169
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Originally Posted by moviegeek View Post

I would argue the other way, 42-47" are the most popular sizes right now. Many people are constrained by small entertainment centers and money. Of course Apple consumers will pay anything as long as it's shiny and says "Apple" so they can impress their friends.

I agree.

A lot of peoples around here mistake the small niche of movie addicts that buy 65"+ TV's with the average consumer, who will never buy such a huge screen.

40-46" are the sizes that sell most.
It increases slowly over the years, but we're not yet at 55"+.

And 55" is not "small", actually it's huge.

Less and less peoples have the adequate living room to host such big screens, the economy is bad.
post #64 of 169
forget a white apple tv, i will stick with my white kuro!!!
post #65 of 169
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Originally Posted by craigyboy View Post

forget a white apple tv, i will stick with my white kuro!!!

No offense man, but that is the fuglietst 1980s looking tv I have ever seen even if it is a kuro. Can you paint it or something?
post #66 of 169
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No offense man, but that is the fuglietst 1980s looking tv I have ever seen even if it is a kuro. Can you paint it or something?

of course its a kuro MAN
post #67 of 169
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Originally Posted by brody76 View Post

I agree.

A lot of peoples around here mistake the small niche of movie addicts that buy 65"+ TV's with the average consumer, who will never buy such a huge screen.

40-46" are the sizes that sell most.
It increases slowly over the years, but we're not yet at 55"+.

And 55" is not "small", actually it's huge.

Less and less peoples have the adequate living room to host such big screens, the economy is bad.

Smallest TV in my house is a 55". It's also the oldest.

I have a 1080p projector even in the bedroom. It's just better.

When the screen goes up you see nothing. When it's down the picture is 96" !!!

Best of both worlds.
post #68 of 169
1. Apple gets their LCD panels from Samsung.
2. Apple will use these panels to make their TV.
3. Apple will sue Samsung for having their tv look like Apple TV.


looks familiar? LOL

ps. I am no apple fan.
post #69 of 169
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Smallest TV in my house is a 55". It's also the oldest.

I have a 1080p projector even in the bedroom. It's just better.

When the screen goes up you see nothing. When it's down the picture is 96" !!!

Best of both worlds.

that sounds pretty sweet. I've got to do something with our bedroom - maybe this is the ticket
post #70 of 169
Considering huge investments in LCd tech right now is a dumb di dum dum idea. Huge loses for LCd manufacturers, OLED is rising. There is a global crisis and because of that there is less interest in buying luxuryproducts such as flatscreens anyway. Best thing to do is wait a few years before investing lots of money in flatsceen-tech.

Aple seems to have lots of money and desperately wants to invest, in such a situation a company often lose clarity and does stupid investments. I believe we are going to see Aple doing some stupid investments pretty soon

ps. don't get 'the' Aple 'magic', people are just imagining things (and while doing so filling Aple pockets) AFIAK
post #71 of 169
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Originally Posted by zrockstar View Post

Think APPS. no one thought the iPhone was too revolutionary until they realized what app developers could create and do with the device. With apps and iOS the possibilities of what your tv can become and do our endless! Gaming, video, music, computing, etc. And with Siri, even better. "Siri, record all the Seinfeld episodes and any soccer game that comes on this weekend" oh yeah, and your DVR is in apples iCloud so you an watch anything recorded on any device. That my friends is revolutionary.

I agree. The TV market is ripe for somebody to come in an innovate. Plus the number of households that already own an iPad and/or iPhone is huge. Integration between your iOS device and apps on your TV will be amazing. AirPlay has already given a peek at what is possible. Whenever ever I AirPlay and app, picture or movie to my TV it amazes my friends and family.

I'm looking forward to the day that I can pay TWC just for my Internet. I'll happy cut the cord to the cable box and trust in what Apple provides.

I love my iMac and was a big iPod user, but the enjoyment and functional use my family gets from our iPads and iPhones is staggering.
post #72 of 169
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

You do get that Apple is the most valuable company in the world, right?

This isn't a bunch of pikers just dabbling around.

LOL, pikers- no...

However, I'll wager that their supply chain logistics and final BOM will not net them any real cost advantage. The point is, Apple will need to win people on features and quality. I'm not saying an Apple TV will be exorbitantly priced, but it won't be why people buy it IMO.

I'm not an Apple hater- I am just skeptical.
post #73 of 169
brody76 - And 55" is not "small", actually it's huge.

Might be huge to you, but "dinky" to others like me. Nothing against small size panels, but my very first HiDef was a 55" and within a week, I already had buyers remorse for not getting the next larger size, a 65". That was around 12 yrs ago and the TV was a Mitsubishi.

These days we only have two TV and they are both 60", one in the living room and the other for occasional use in the bedroom.

Itching to upgrade to a new 80" or so TV.

You should preface with something like..."I think" or "to my eyes" and everyone will know it's your opinion and not "fact".
post #74 of 169
rear projection doesn't count when for all intents and purposes, they START at 50 or so ''
post #75 of 169
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rear projection doesn't count when for all intents and purposes, they START at 50 or so ''

Twelve years ago, rear projection HiDef was the only thing in the market!
post #76 of 169
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I'm not an Apple hater- I am just skeptical.

Skepticism is fine.

Apple's ability to turn inventory and source/build, however, shouldn't be underestimated. The notion they can do more at $2000 (or $2500) than Sony can -- already -- seems likely to me, for example, not hypothetical.
post #77 of 169
all I know is I can't wait to see what their up too, they redid the iPhone and made the tablet market, if they feel there is a way to revolutionize TV's in the same way they did with the cell phone and tablet, I can't wait but if it's just voice and motion control with AppltTV built in I think it'll be a failure as I wouldn't switch over for that.
post #78 of 169
I'm still waiting for a killer remote control app for the iPad, why one hasn't been made that's a better option than universal remotes is an unknown to me... or it's just unknown to me.
post #79 of 169
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Originally Posted by Ryder125 View Post

I'm still waiting for a killer remote control app for the iPad, why one hasn't been made that's a better option than universal remotes is an unknown to me... or it's just unknown to me.

Give them time. Remember, SIRI is still a beta lady.
post #80 of 169
Content is king.

Iphone/Ipad sold because of apps.

Ipod sold because of Itunes-music.

Itv won't sell because it has no content. And because video is bandwidth intensive. And because Netflix, and now Streampix and whatever else the cable/content companies come up with won't be bought off like Publishers where.
post #81 of 169
To complete this thread thought we should include these 2 previous threads when people been claiming that Apple TV doesn't make sense.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post21129266
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post20761581

The amazing part is people still thinking Apple is selling a TV

But something has changed since a year ago: Jobs is no longer around. I remain skeptical on Cook as he is an operations guy. Jonathan Ive would have been a more persuasive candidate to propel Job's vision for Apple
post #82 of 169
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Originally Posted by specuvestor View Post

But something has changed since a year ago: Jobs is no longer around. I remain skeptical on Cook as he is an operations guy. Jonathan Ive would have been a more persuasive candidate to propel Job's vision for Apple

I think Cook is smart enough to leave Ive to the designing and avail himself to deliver the product(s) as efficiently as possible.

But who's gonna do Jobs' bidding to tell the other guy his stuff is s**t! and only Apple can transform his business? Who's gonna project the "Distortion Field?"

Tell you what, they say the projection is, there will be less cable subscribers, if so, those guys gotta expand their businesses somewhere.
post #83 of 169
Indeed we shall see. I'm saying that because one of the "miracle" of Apple is that Jobs made the operationally difficult, if not "impossible", possible, by sheer will. And that is after the disastrous experience of PowerPC. He couldn't achieve what he achieved by thinking what is operationally feasible. From 1" HDD to capacitive multi touch.

The force is certainly strong with him A lot of his deals borders the ridiculous/ senseless for the other party, from Microsoft to music industry. He is an interesting case study of what a person's dream and persistence can achieve. iCloud is a great concept that's a decade in the making since the dot com days. But I'm cautious on whether Cook can execute that, and Apple TV properly. Having $100b cash helps, but not the end all.
post #84 of 169
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Originally Posted by Ryder125 View Post

I'm still waiting for a killer remote control app for the iPad, why one hasn't been made that's a better option than universal remotes is an unknown to me... or it's just unknown to me.

Is iRule known to you?
post #85 of 169
After reading this entire section I come away with the feeling some are going to hate anything Apple no matter what I find that humorous.
I can only say what I feel about a product after I have hands on, speculation does not get it.
I do own a lot of Apple products for me they work as advertised I also own a lot of things that are not Apple.
My favorite Apple Hater Line is the run in the ground Chinese labor those people might want to take the cover off whatever gear they own and get the surprise of their life because 50% of it will be manufactured in China or its subsidiaries on a lot of products in the last 5 years or better.
News flash on the make it Apple White they have moved away from that in the last few years to Aluminum.
If we did not have the iPhone would all these smart phones exist today or would Blackberry's and Nokia's the best we would have?
If the iPad had not come out would we still only have the tablet as its been for years heavy,hot running and large.
Like it or not Apple has changed things they are profitable and with the size of their war chest there is no telling what powers of purchase lay on the tables.
post #86 of 169
I can see Apple innovating feature sets that are more appealing than other manufactures...picture quality will be no better or no worse. Is that going to be worth the premium you will pay or do most folks just want to watch a nice picture with modest features sets at a much lesser price or at the same price point, Elite like picture quality?
post #87 of 169
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Originally Posted by jlb500 View Post

Apple's main target won't be competing manufacturers of consumer TVs. Instead, Apple is looking to revolutionalize the way people receive their content. They want to drive current providers of satellite/cable TV into the dark ages. By targeting the content providers, they will subsequently erode the TV hardware market. That part will take care of itself just as we are seeing with the mobile phone and tablet markets.

Consumers already "DVR" their favorite shows to watch when it is most convenient.
  • Why "DVR" anything when your "iPanel" can queu a show up for you when you want to watch it. Say, every Thursday at 9PM?
  • Why pay for TV channels that you don't watch, need, or are not interested in? If you're paying a SAT/CABLE provider - you're paying for things you don't want.
  • Why worry about DVR storage when your content is stored in the cloud along with your photos and music?

Verizon/Cablevision/Comcast/AT&T et al will be relegated to providing your internet service connection - just like any other household utility. The electric companies are even looking to get into the internet service provider market. Where does that leave the cable companies?

Think about what Apple could do with the NFL. An Apple version of the "Sunday Ticket." All the games...swap a game from your iPad/iPhone to your "iPanel".

While hardware manufacturers are playing catch up in the table and mobile phone markets - Apple has those divisions seemingly in cruise control while focusing it's gaze on the TV content market.

As for the "iPanel" - that's the easy part - it's a bigger, fancier, more expensive iPad. FaceTime on the iPanel? Take a family photo standing in front of the iPanel on your living room wall? Call your iPanel from your iPhone? I can already imagine the marketing of these features. Regardless, Apple won't release any TV product until the content delivery system is developed.

I wonder if they'll come up with an "iProjector" next?

My two cents...

I absolutely agree with this. If they handle content that way,and they add the typical good looks,the tv will indeed take care of itself.
post #88 of 169
A 4k/retina/whatever display (even if worthless beyond 6 feet over a 1080 set, lol) with built-in appletv functionality/media access and some of the features dictated above?

What a joke, they'll sell every single one of them they can make at 2-$2500.

Anyone who doesn't believe this company can and will be hugely successful in the tv arena has some serious, fundamental, misunderstandings about what this company does and how they('ve) do/done it.

James
post #89 of 169
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Anyone who doesn't believe this company can and will be hugely successful in the tv arena has some serious, fundamental, misunderstandings about what this company does and how they('ve) do/done it.

Nah. Just a proper understanding that Apple historic wise doesn't always get it right with a product. Its one thing to be a Apple supporter, and to recognize they have done well in certain product lines/products. Its a whole another debate to whether Apple with all the money in the world can change a video entertainment ecosystem that they don't have that much say about because they aren't the content owners and because of the existing competition.
post #90 of 169
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A:

4. I won't buy one because I refuse to buy anything Apple

The diametric opposite of a fanboy is equally baffling.

Microsoft makes some products I can not stand but just because I had an undying hatred of IE 6 doesn't mean I wouldn't buy an XBOX 360.
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