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The future of media streamers in smart TVs?

post #1 of 10
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Hi AVS forum,

I recently purchased a new condominium in Toronto, and while it is in the progress of being built (parking garage is done, yay!), I wanted to dedicate some planning time to my media consumption solution. The size of the condominium prohibits me from having anything but the most simple of setups, so my ideal solution would be to wallmount a plasma or LCD and run all the necessary cabling through the walls, and feed the television streamed content from the computer I am intending to place in the den (the entire condo is wired with CAT5E, there will be no bandwidth issues). I will not be using cable television, although I will likely attach an OTA HD antenna for local news at some point, if I can't find an adequate streaming option online. Put simply, my ideal solution is a wallmounted TV with no media stand, cable box or HTPC below it - just nice, clean wall, which will definitely make the place feel bigger.

Given that I am subscribing to minimalism, my ideal solution would be to have the television with built-in media streaming capabilities, with an added bonus of being able to access services like Netflix (my father's Samsung TV has Netflix built in, and it works exceptionally well - all he has to do is turn the TV on, hit the apps button, select Netflix, select a movie and he's watching in under 20 seconds - thats the kind of experience I want). In the opinion of AVS forum, have media streamers in smart TVs advanced to the point (or will advance in the next 1.5 years, when my condo will be complete) that, when combined with a relatively powerful office computer with something like Serviio installed, they are able to replicate an external media streaming device? Am I setting myself up for endless frustration, and should I instead just bite the bullet and build an HTPC that I can perhaps hide behind the television?

Thank you very much for any assistance!
post #2 of 10
The problem with smart tv's are there limited ability to play formats, But with that said if you are using something like Serviio you will be transcoding a lot of your media which always has problems. I always suggest a two part solution if you want netflix get a smarttv with apps for netflix, To play local media buy another external player.

With that said Take for example the popbox v8 its small enough to use velcro and stick to the back of a tv. or use a vesa mount. And still keep all your media on your pc in another room.

Its the device on the right. sitting next to the remote and a samsung galaxy phone
post #3 of 10
HTPC all the way. Transcoding is a waste of time and energy.
post #4 of 10
U can always add an HTPC later, try some of the media boxes first, not that expensive. TV alone unlikely to have everything built-in, that would be too easy.
post #5 of 10
You should have a look at the 2012 LG Smart TV's with Media Link. That is Plex. That will handle almost anything except disk images.

I do believe you are on the right track. HTPC's are nice but you won't have access to many premium services in as convenient a way.

philip
post #6 of 10
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Originally Posted by Tiddles88 View Post

HTPC all the way. Transcoding is a waste of time and energy.

Most people don't want HTPC's. You don't need to transcode with Plex if your codec can be handled by the client. My LG Smart TV plays anything I want and it is almost never transcoding. The only trouble is if you want playback of disk images or HD Audio. The days of a zillion codecs are coming to an end.

philip
post #7 of 10
The media players built into TV's are about a year or two behind actual network media players. They tend to improve slowly through each generation for example Panasonic 2012 devices are almost on par with a WDTV Live in terms of codec support and also support SMB network access like LG however this support varies so cant be counted on for all models.

However TV media players are unlikely to ever support
* niche or cutting edge formats
* jukeboxes or media libraries
* DVD/Blu-ray menus
* HD audio
* long or even short term support (fixes for various issues, feature updates)

Now not all of that matters to people, many will be happy enough with just a basic media player but there will still be room on the market for after market players.

Long term I think what will happen is Apple will launch their television and set the cat among the pigeons that is the TV industry, the TV makers who cannot develop software platforms if their lives depended on it and have been holding out again GoogleTV will suddenly have a change of heart to combat Apple.

As the GTV matures and better media players come onto it, your already have some good ones like Plex but others are appearing too that's when you might see parity with network media players.
post #8 of 10
think of it this way:

you buy a tv once every 5-10 years. a ton changes in the digital video landscape in that time.

say for example, Netflix began to stream 3D. but none of the current tv models are physically capable of it. so now you need a new tv if yout want to do that, and youre gonna spend a good chunk of change to do it.

or do you want to simply buy a new Roku unit or similar for under $200 that will do what you want?

the tv manufacturers are quick to leave their products behind. if a tv has a web browser, for instance, it is much less likely to get updates like new versions of Flash or Silverlight. so to continue using that function you either need an expensive new tv or a much less (relatively) expensive set top box.
post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 
Hi everyone,

Thank you for the great feedback thus far. I should probably clarify my needs a little bit - I'm not going to need HD Audio or disk image playback. My plans for now is to wait until the condo is ready to move in, purchase a TV with the widest range of support for various formats and codecs and, if this experience is unsatisfactory, look at alternate options. I figure most decent TVs will have some media streaming built in by the time I'm ready to purchase, so it will be hard to get a high-quality set without some features built in.

Thank you once again for the assistance, especially to phillip, who convinced me my dream was possible!
post #10 of 10
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Originally Posted by hoegaardenite View Post

Thank you once again for the assistance, especially to phillip, who convinced me my dream was possible!

And Phillip is an authorized dealer for LG - JUST KIDDING!

Hope he's right, I was hoping more like, I just bought this TV and it worked with everything I threw at it and the complete list is as follows.....
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