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post #121 of 168
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Progress... Slow....

I after getting the tips for the folks @ Fabricmate, I dove into my cutting of the track. It was slow going, but successful. One trick is to cut it a bit long/wide then shave the track down as needed...





Next is to attach all the track to the panel, spray all the white track with a plastic paint (black), cut and attach the Linacoustic 1" in the spaces. Cut holes for the receptacles and attach carpet. Stick visco tape on the back. Haul these suckers upstairs, attach them to the wall and attach carpet....Whew! I'm tired just thinking about it biggrin.gif...
post #122 of 168
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Panels almost there!

Finished cutting the track




Began tacking the track down. Started with the perimeter and then did everything in the middle.




After attaching track. Took some black paint for plastic and sprayed the white track. Not sure if the white would have shown through the fabric, but taking not chances




Opened the 1" Linacoustic roll. Began cutting and filling the spaces between the track...





Then used some heavy hardwood underlayment and the same carpet I used on the riser...




Flipped them over and tacked off the carpet to the backside tightly and installed visco tape along the back following the track installation...


Edited by Johnny14o - 12/1/12 at 10:06pm
post #123 of 168
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Panels ready to be hauled upstairs and installed to the wall, then install the DMD acoustic fabric...




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post #124 of 168
Nice job! Looking forward to seeing them with fabric.
post #125 of 168
Your room is looking awesome. I'm pretty impressed by the photos you took of the Darblet. Might need to get my hands on one.
post #126 of 168
Looks great!
post #127 of 168
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Thanks everyone. Panels are a milestone for the project...

I got the panels hung and the BROWN sections on tonight before I had to say "enough for now".
I will have pics posted tomorrow with, hopefully, finished panels.

I did finish watching "Owls of Ga'Hoole" and tweaked the Darblet a bit. Found a couple of scenes from the movie that would be good for more pics. I can say the Darblet has made me no longer interested in a new projector... For the moment.. biggrin.gif

I did do a bit of sound checking. The panels kill the acoustic issues I had in the past.

They also eliminate the video reflection on the walls.

Hopefully only 2 more weeks...! (Inside Joke with the wife an myself.... It goes like "how much longer will it be"? Response is "2 weeks". Never establishing from WHEN the 2 weeks begin...)
Edited by Johnny14o - 12/3/12 at 6:25am
post #128 of 168
Looking good. And more for the rest of us in process to think about! I can't wait to start on the fabric and sound treatments. That is next up for me!
post #129 of 168
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A bit more progress AND PICTURES!


Panels in the room...




Shimmed them up to just above the baseboards and attached to the wall. Lined them up to the holes I cut for the receptacles and squared them off best I could...




Working with material. For whatever reason,I started with the brown...




...Then a bit of Grey....





I'm using a OXO plastic pizza cutter to roll the material into the channels...



Not sure if I mentioned this before. The track I am using is a 1" depth, beveled track. Fabricmate manufactures square track as well, I just selected the bevel to add to the appearance of the design...



Work on the black after work today!

One thing I will say. The Fabricmate track is QUALITY. I began to figure that when I was cutting it with a chopsaw, but after mashing on it and jamming fabric into it, this is lifetime stuff. No reason to worry if it is going to break.

You can settle on a design, and change fabric color 3x/year is need be. I have STUPID cats (I love them but they friggin' get into EVERYTHING) that tore up the fabric cover on the back of the door prior to the remodel. Having this track and some spare cloth, I can EASILY fix what they ruin without a massive project.

Just something to consider if you are debating on track or no track...


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post #130 of 168
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Your room is looking awesome. I'm pretty impressed by the photos you took of the Darblet. Might need to get my hands on one.


I can only speak from hooking it up to my Sanyo PLV-Z3000. Many folks have much newer technology than my projector (2 years old is ancient in projector world!), and I would be interested to see how much +++ it adds to the image. I THOUGHT I was impressed with my image before the Darblet, now it is amazing! 99.9% of my images are pumped from a hard drive through a WD TV Streaming box and to the projector. I have not tried a straight Blu-Ray yet.

I would be interested in an Oppo Blu-Ray player (that already has a built in processor) then pumped through the Darblet. When I talked to the folks at Darbee, the tech said they had a customer hook 2 Darblets in line before the projector. They were curious if it would provide an benefit, so they tried it there in the lab... sure enough 2x Darblets were more powerful than 1. They also told me that they are looking at launching a line of HDMI cables with the video processor built in-line. It will be powered by the HDMI cable. The cable will be PRESET and can not be adjusted (Darbee Up/Down) but will have have a cheaper price point than the Darblet. All this being said, I could see having one of these Darbee HDMI cables being used as the patch cable from my receiver to the Darblet and then out to the projector to get the 2x processor effect. cool.gif


One thing I did notice when watching HD TV (based on the source) the Darblet needed to be turned down a bit. At higher settings it tries to process the lower resolution images and can get a bit "digital-ly" rolleyes.gif . It needs to be trurned down a bit to "soften" the image a bit.
post #131 of 168
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One down... 1 to go!

Finished one of my panels...

Get the material barely into the track, trim so there is a bit still sticking out, then roll it all into the track...



Ta-da!



Close up of the intersections and showing the bevel...
post #132 of 168
is that GOM? if so what color grey is it ?

btw you panel looks great
post #133 of 168
Nice job, Johnny!
post #134 of 168
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snickers1

GOM stands for Guilford of Maine. They are one of the manufacturers of acoustical fabrics, and a very popular choice of DIY folks.

I used DMD acoustic fabric. It was 1/2 the price of GOM Anchorage line of fabric, and I wanted to try something different than the more popular choices (add some options to the forums).

The color for the DMD fabric is just GREY. I really like the fabric, however they do not have a lot of colors to in the offering (12 I think) but I got samples and liked the colors enough to run with it.
post #135 of 168
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snickers1
GOM stands for Guilford of Maine. They are one of the manufacturers of acoustical fabrics, and a very popular choice of DIY folks.
I used DMD acoustic fabric. It was 1/2 the price of GOM Anchorage line of fabric, and I wanted to try something different than the more popular choices (add some options to the forums).
The color for the DMD fabric is just GREY. I really like the fabric, however they do not have a lot of colors to in the offering (12 I think) but I got samples and liked the colors enough to run with it.

thanks i already dead set on the panels color i will be using for the panels between my columns but was looking for something that just plain grey for the speaker cutouts in the columns and think i will check out DMD for that
thanks
post #136 of 168
Johnny everything is looking awesome, it's really come a long way!!
post #137 of 168
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Yahoo... Panels done!

Final vs initial concept






Watched a flick last night. The BLACK of the DMD Fabric absorbs EVERYTHING. The other colors can be seen, but do not have any "reflective" properties like the flat, brown wall paint in the room. I am pleased with how they turned out. The track and the fabric are top notch materials.
Now I am considering making additional, smaller panels to be hung in other locations in the room...... WHEN DOES IT STOP!?! ... Curse you Home Theater gods! Why must it be so addictive!?!




On another note.... I have 80+ feet of 1" Linacoustic material for sale..... any takers? smile.gif

Edited by Johnny14o - 12/5/12 at 5:51pm
post #138 of 168
That looks really sharp, nice work.

If you still have some of the black fabric left, you could think about hanging a panel on the ceiling at the first refelection point. It would help the audio and cut a little glare off the ceiling if there is any.
post #139 of 168
That looks great Johnny. The pattern says "Action" to me.

Dale
post #140 of 168
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That looks really sharp, nice work.
If you still have some of the black fabric left, you could think about hanging a panel on the ceiling at the first refelection point. It would help the audio and cut a little glare off the ceiling if there is any.

Good call. Yes there is some glare on the ceiling. I will have to see how much of the black material I have left after covering the false wall.

I have some 1/2" very rigid fiberboard that is commonly used to soundproof apartments, it sort of reminds me of homasoate but thinner and denser. I could spray adhesive, wrap it with the black cloth and attach.

Hmmmm...
post #141 of 168
awesome theater!

sorry about Dooley... was hoping he'd be able to get the job done.
post #142 of 168
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awesome theater!
sorry about Dooley... was hoping he'd be able to get the job done.

Thanks, nice being able to see the light at the end of the tunnel (hopefully it's not a train!)

Yeah..... I was kinda glad the theater was out of commission for the majority of the season. Not sure if I could have handled watching UT lose on the 106" screen. I really think Dooley is a good coach, just a bit out of his league.
post #143 of 168
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More tomfoolery...

Began work on the false wall frames/cloth project. Almost the last major project to completion! smile.gif

Using speaker grill fasteners in front of the speakers...


Rest of the false wall will be cloth framed but tacked on with finishing nails...



I took a couple pics of the EXIT sign over the door.... biggrin.gif

I find it kinda cool, took an old exit sign from a jobsite that was being tossed, removed the internals and replaced with Glow in the Dark craft sheet... cool.gif
post #144 of 168
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Completed the fabric wrapped panels to face the false wall. Some really kooky angles and such...

All things considered, they turned out well...






Had to cut a small notch for the fabric to lay into in order to achieve the "crease" in the interior angle...




WOW... What a "HOT MESS"... thankfully it will all be covered up soon...tongue.gif






This angle shows the "floating screen". Thought this might help with any ambient glare on the side panels, sound from the center channel, etc. On thing I can say, the DMD line of fabric is a TRUE black and absorbs any and ALL ambient light from the screen.


Still have to make the skinny top panel for above the screen, but compared to the rest it will be a snap!
post #145 of 168
Johnny

Just found this build. "Bang for Buck" drew me in, thats what I'm always after...and what do I see... JBL studio S and L series. biggrin.gif IMO probably some of the best BFB speakers ever on the market. I've got all Studio II's. S312II's up front along with the S-Center II and S38IIs for LR Surround and S26II for Surround Backs. I always enjoy seeing them in someone else's theater!

I love your fabric panels! Really cool design and implementation. Definitely looking forward to seeing this one all buttoned up.
post #146 of 168
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Johnny
Just found this build. "Bang for Buck" drew me in, thats what I'm always after...and what do I see... JBL studio S and L series. biggrin.gif IMO probably some of the best BFB speakers ever on the market. I've got all Studio II's. S312II's up front along with the S-Center II and S38IIs for LR Surround and S26II for Surround Backs. I always enjoy seeing them in someone else's theater!
I love your fabric panels! Really cool design and implementation. Definitely looking forward to seeing this one all buttoned up.


Ohhhhh yeahhhh.....!!!! JBL 4ever!!!!! LOL cool.gif

I fell in love with JBL in college. Friends had Sony, Yamaha, Polk, Infinity (back when they were their own Co.), even Definitive Tech. The Definitive sounded sharp and crisp (accurate) but soulles..frown.gif
But I always loved the way Mid to high end JBL's sounded.

I got a pair of JBL S-38's and an S-Center for my apartment some years ago. Cherry colored, actually pictured in the picture 2 posts back (stored in the false wall).
Then I worked at Best Buy some years ago, after college and before embarking upon my illustrious career (THICK with sarcasm...) and picked up some S310II and the s120 Sub on the employee accommodation program.

Sold the S310's after my daughter was born, my wife was concerned she would crawl and pull them over on herself. Now I wish I would not have parted with them, but I did it to make the wife happy and to buy the upgraded projector.

Then started on my long road of collecting the Studio L series. EBay and Craigslist! Remember "Bang for the Buck"! tongue.gif

I agree, the Studio line of JBL's are some of the best (and under rated) speakers around.

Thanks for the feedback on the panels. Kind of a "leap of faith". Honestly, they turned out better than I imagined. The hardest part was getting the angles right. I had some 61 and 31 degree angles PAIN! But putting the fabric in was a breeze and it makes a joker like me actually look like I know what I am doing!
One thing I am glad I did was paint the intermediate track. It came as a white color and I was not sure if it would show through. I would say it would have, especially with using am acoustical material. Just a tip if you are considering the track feature.

John
post #147 of 168
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That looks really sharp, nice work.
If you still have some of the black fabric left, you could think about hanging a panel on the ceiling at the first refelection point. It would help the audio and cut a little glare off the ceiling if there is any.

OK, working through the fabric I currently have, won't have enough to do a ceiling panel.... frown.gif

HOWEVER... after I get the room "completed" I plan on adding in some additional, smaller panels around the room to help control the reflection points of the other speakers. So, I will be placing another order for material in the future and will eventually incorporate a hanging panel off the ceiling. Any ideas How big the panel needs to be?

Thanks for the idea (and more WORK!!!) BllDo...LOL! biggrin.gif
post #148 of 168
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Originally Posted by Johnny14o View Post

Ohhhhh yeahhhh.....!!!! JBL 4ever!!!!! LOL cool.gif
I fell in love with JBL in college. Friends had Sony, Yamaha, Polk, Infinity (back when they were their own Co.), even Definitive Tech. The Definitive sounded sharp and crisp (accurate) but soulles..frown.gif
But I always loved the way Mid to high end JBL's sounded.
I got a pair of JBL S-38's and an S-Center for my apartment some years ago. Cherry colored, actually pictured in the picture 2 posts back (stored in the false wall).
Then I worked at Best Buy some years ago, after college and before embarking upon my illustrious career (THICK with sarcasm...) and picked up some S310II and the s120 Sub on the employee accommodation program.
Sold the S310's after my daughter was born, my wife was concerned she would crawl and pull them over on herself. Now I wish I would not have parted with them, but I did it to make the wife happy and to buy the upgraded projector.
Then started on my long road of collecting the Studio L series. EBay and Craigslist! Remember "Bang for the Buck"! tongue.gif
I agree, the Studio line of JBL's are some of the best (and under rated) speakers around.
Thanks for the feedback on the panels. Kind of a "leap of faith". Honestly, they turned out better than I imagined. The hardest part was getting the angles right. I had some 61 and 31 degree angles PAIN! But putting the fabric in was a breeze and it makes a joker like me actually look like I know what I am doing!
One thing I am glad I did was paint the intermediate track. It came as a white color and I was not sure if it would show through. I would say it would have, especially with using am acoustical material. Just a tip if you are considering the track feature.
John

Well you definitely LOOK like you know what you're doing...wink.gif

I fell in the love with the S II's at Best Buy. They had them out on display in the old days where you can select the music to listen to them, and they had DJ Sammy "Heaven" not even a huge fan of that song, but everything sounded just incredible through them. So instead of buying a car in high school I bought my S38ii's and the S-Center II and shortly after a Denon receiver. I ran those for a while before i had the money to get the S26II's. I had those all through college and then last year I found a pair of S312II's for dirt cheap...catch was they were in Omaha and buying wouldn't ship. So i drove 9 hours there and back in 1 shot to go pick them up. WORTH IT!

I will say though, the S38II's are AMAZING speakers, I actually think they are better than the S312II's, Definitely my favorite out of the bunch.
post #149 of 168
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OK, working through the fabric I currently have, won't have enough to do a ceiling panel.... frown.gif
HOWEVER... after I get the room "completed" I plan on adding in some additional, smaller panels around the room to help control the reflection points of the other speakers. So, I will be placing another order for material in the future and will eventually incorporate a hanging panel off the ceiling. Any ideas How big the panel needs to be?
Thanks for the idea (and more WORK!!!) BllDo...LOL! biggrin.gif

Ha, that's what you get for thinking you might actually "finish" your theater. tongue.gif

The ceiling panel doesn't have to be huge. The first idea is to absorb some of the reflections from the speakers. If you draw out your space from a side view, you can try to calculate the midway points on the ceiling between the speakers and the seating positions. This is the old mirror trick, but without trying to get someone to hold the mirror on the ceiling while you move from seat to seat.
The second idea is to absorb some glare, this one is simple. Turn on a movie and take a look to see where the light is reflecting.
Just as a completely baseless guess, I might think about two panels maybe 75% of your room width by 2' across placed at the first reflection points would go a long way.
post #150 of 168
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Originally Posted by BllDo View Post

Ha, that's what you get for thinking you might actually "finish" your theater. tongue.gif
The ceiling panel doesn't have to be huge. The first idea is to absorb some of the reflections from the speakers. If you draw out your space from a side view, you can try to calculate the midway points on the ceiling between the speakers and the seating positions. This is the old mirror trick, but without trying to get someone to hold the mirror on the ceiling while you move from seat to seat.
The second idea is to absorb some glare, this one is simple. Turn on a movie and take a look to see where the light is reflecting.
Just as a completely baseless guess, I might think about two panels maybe 75% of your room width by 2' across placed at the first reflection points would go a long way.

Right, I know.... I should just go an smash my face against a tree... I was goofing around today and created a list of things to do AFTER I'm "done"..... OMG why does this have to be so addictive?!?

Thanks for the ideas on the ceiling panel. I bounce it around in my head for a bit.... Thinking I may need to use some sort of fiberboard to mount the fabric to in order to keep it from sagging. A bit of spray adhesive and some sort of thin, rigid sound deading material. Kinda like a headliner in a car.
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