Absolutely LOVE my Chase Home Theater Speakers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Page 4

On the topic of breakin, I wrote the following some time ago.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/603725/thiels-take-on-breakin#post_6538720

Not to take away from Big Tony's detailed examination of the phenomena but I think that this is a better explanation ...

Let me give a simple example that one might be able to relate. Does the elastic on your Underwear loosen up just a tad bit after the first few times you wear abd wash it? The difference is subtle, but it is there. If you can discern that, then this break in should not be that hard for you to understand.

It's closer to a new pair of cotton jeans, the type that aren't pre-washed. They're stiff, as are driver suspensions and surrounds. With flexing they get softer. Most of the process takes place early on, but it continues almost indefinitely. Most new woofers come though with Fs 5 to 10% above spec, while decades old drivers can measure 5 to 10% below spec. Some guitar players change drivers on a fairly regular basis because they don't care for the loss of high end response that comes with age, while others who prefer a more mellow tone search out old drivers, the older the better.

As for the phenomenon of a driver needing an additional break in after non-use, true, also seen in jeans. After being loosened by wearing them a few days you wash them and they're stiff again, though not as stiff as when new. Speaker suspensions do the same thing after resting, but the time to get them flexing right again is only a few seconds. When I measure a cab after not being used I always warm it up a bit, knowing from experience that if I don't it will be out of spec.
BTW, drivers with foam or rubber surrounds need far less break in than those with cloth surrounds, because foam and rubber don't soften nearly as much as cloth does.
IMO all drivers should be broken in by the manufacturer at the factory, but very few are, as break in takes time, and time is money.

Hey, Carnut, can you give me your impressions of the finish of the speakers. I see from the pictures that they're on display in your room, but I've heard that they don't look that good close up. Thanks again for the help.

with grilles on they are black non-distinct boxes that do not call attention to themselves. perfect for dedicated home theater.

I did almost the same yesterday! Except I opted for dual VS18.1's to replace my single Outlaw EX. So far Craig and everyone at CHT has been very helpful.

Cool

We'll have to compare notes on how the vented vs. the sealed CHT subs sound in comparison to the EX

I have the dual VS-18.1s with Dayton Amp. I'm very pleased with them. I also had multiple conversations with them (Craig and Molly) over the phone and via PMs throughout the process. They were always very helpful.

I love my quad EX's. But one thing I KNOW the CHT will do better on is...it won't chuff. 3 inch ports.... Now what?
Edited by pokekevin - 6/27/12 at 11:00pm

There must be something missing from this thread since I have no idea what the last 3 posts are talking about...

Have you seen this thread in the AVS subwoofer forum: The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts. The four to five star movies in that list have some scenes with incredible bass and would really show you what your subs can do

I don't know where I-Robot ranks on the list but we just picked it up on BD and watched it again .... pretty good flick and the couches vibrated off and on throughout the movie.

Carnut12 and others, had to join your appreciation thread and praise both Pro10's and a Sho10 for my front stage. Have loved the clarity, full response, lack of overly bright sound, but mostly the dynamics! Makes listening to conversation during highly destructive scenes a breeze.

To find a speaker set that can keep up with the power of my CS-18.2 has made my HT experience very enjoyable for me. It may not have quite the impact at 20 Hz as you guys with ported, but It definitely has the super tightness and the range that sets this specially designed Eminence driver far and above any competition at anywhere near the price range! The bugger just doesn't seem to have a limit.

Naysayers will come and go, but Chase is here to stay!

I think what it shows is what the movie is capable of. To find out what your sub is capable of you'd need to use a capable microphone.

Yeah, for me, those test tones just don't sound as good on my sub as WoW and Star Trek (2009).

At some point, one does have to move beyond frequency response and graphs and evaluate speakers/subs based on how they sound. The data is the means to an end, not the end in itself

You've misunderstood what I said. To find out if your sub is capable of playing what's in the movie, you need to be able to record what's being played back and compare the two.no test tones involved. Then and only then will you unambiguously know what the sub or subs can really do. Look for posts by the screen name Bossobass for just what I'm talking about.

You missed the wink above

Graphs and charts are useful for making purchasing and placement decisions. But in the end, once someone has their subs and has optimized the setup, all that matters to many people is how they sound as part of the aesthetic experience. Choosing movies from that list is one of the best ways to engage in that bass aesthetic experience. How much the movie recording matches the sub output recording does not need to factor into that experience, except for those for whom it is all about that eternal quest for perfect reproduction of the original recording.

The only problem with that is you need a mic that is flat to 3hz for it to be accurate in spec labs. You can not add a file for say a behringer mic or galaxy mic. Bosso has an awesome mic which needs to corrections. I know someone was working on spec lab to add files but I am not sure how it is going. Once we can do that you know I will plaster graphs all over the place.

Can anyone recommend a speaker stand that can be filled with sand/shot for the SHO-10's?

I rarely have time to post these days, but I thought I would throw another chip in the hat for CHT. I've since replaced my polks and bic's with PRO-10's and a SHO-10 center, along with two VS18.1's. Like another member said, I also remember thinking to myself, for what I paid, I can't imagine anything sounding any better without insane amounts of money!

I'll have to check out the sanus stands, I too am in the middle of what feels like "speaker stand hell". I'm not really happy with anything I have currently.

Thanks, I'll check them out. Want to be able to fill the stands for stability (have kids).


So why did you decide to go with the PRO-10's witha SHO-10 center vs. all SHO-10's?

Ok, I pulled the trigger and ordered 3 SHO-10's for the front stage. Can't wait to get them! I was hesitant about placing the SHO-10 center on its side, as my wife probably would not like the height of the speaker, but screw it. I'll just take the flak when I get them... So how long did it take you folks to get your speakers?

Order placed June 27th. Still waiting. Allegedly R&L carriers took the week off so hopefully they will ship out this monday.

Congrats!
Mine were shipped next day. However I remember seeing a post on CHT forum recently about running low on SHO-10 stock, you might want to check with Craig.