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post #61 of 152
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I agree. I'm feeling that he will be good cop, but still have territorial issues that come with the complicated juristictions.
As is often the case when you have sovereign nations embedded inside other sovereign nations, especially given the USA's treatment of those nations in the past.
post #62 of 152
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As is often the case when you have sovereign nations embedded inside other sovereign nations, especially given the USA's treatment of those nations in the past.

Agree with previous, even current treatment, but I'd much rather see more portrayals of the tribe to include positives. Native Americans should be protrayed realistically which should include good role models without sugarcoating. I wouldn't think the Native Americans would appreciate pivotal characters being protrayed as criminals, habitual victims or crooked tribal leaders. I believe that a positive for the tribe was a member, right or wrong, commiting a crime for his family. Doing the wrong thing for the right reason has been a recurring theme. That would characterize the resolution of the last episode.
post #63 of 152
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Agree with previous, even current treatment, but I'd much rather see more portrayals of the tribe to include positives. Native Americans should be protrayed realistically which should include good role models without sugarcoating....

If you have not seen the 1998 film Smoke Signals I would recommend you check it out. It's a wonderful movie.

post #64 of 152
Late in coming,but really liking the series. I wanted to watch them in order and wasn't able to get started until 7-29 and have 3 more to go to be caught up.To bad the season ender is tonight.
post #65 of 152
Every time I watch this show, I think (from what is posted) that the books must be darker and little more revealing.
post #66 of 152
Certainly the books have more detail about the crimes, plus more detail about the politics, both tribal and county. Longmire has a love life but keeps hooking up with the wrong woman, and getting hurt. Like I said, in many ways these books are a contemporary police procedural, kinda like a Western version of Robert B.Parker's Jesse Stone. The sparse prose is similar in style, and not at all like the historical Westerns that Parker wrote (Appaloosa and Monte Walsh).

For my money, the very best subplot that keeps popping up in the books is the recurrent one of the Indian spirits. In times of great physical stress and sometimes in dreams, Longmire actually sees and is aided by the ghosts of the famous Lakota warriors and Dog Soldiers. He will not even discuss this with Henry, knowing that if word gets around, he will never win re-election. In this aspect of Native American spirituality, the Longmire novels resemble those of Tony Hillerman. However, it would be very difficult to do this topic justice in a weekly TV series, whereas Johnson crafts each book over 12 months.

In the books, Vic the female Deputy is a fiery black-haired Italian going through a divorce in Montana, after she moved from Philidelphia to Montana with her new husband, giving up her job as a beat cop for 5+ years. Then he moved on to another job in Alaska, and she refused to go. I had doubts about Katee Sackoff in the role, but she's actually very good. I also had doubts about Lou Diamond Phillips as Henry Standing Bear, because in the books, Henry is a very large powerfull man and Phillips is slight. But Phillips is now a good actor, and portrays Henry well.

I highly reccomend the books, but I would not call them "darker", except that they unflinchingly display human weaknesses, as only an experienced lawman would see them.
post #67 of 152
Well at least we know what Walt was doing in Denver, or at least we think we know. We will stick with the show going forward, even if it is mainly a routine cop procedural set in the west... The characters are good, the plots not so much, but at least they are moving forward a bit on Walt's story.
post #68 of 152
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

Well at least we know what Walt was doing in Denver, or at least we think we know. We will stick with the show going forward, even if it is mainly a routine cop procedural set in the west... The characters are good, the plots not so much, but at least they are moving forward a bit on Walt's story.

I liked how it ended and Walt's reply to the detective. Walt didn't flinch at all to the question, so he expected it. The episodes are working longer arcs which makes watching more enjoyable. I'm looking forward to next season.
post #69 of 152
So is it just me or was there something more to the exchange between Vic and Longmire's new gal pal? Vic, being overly protective, asks Longmire's gf what her intentions are, saying she doesn't want him to get hurt. The GF asks what Vic's intentions are because Vic is married and never wears her wedding ring. Gf leaves and Vic casts an odd look towards Longmire's office, puts her ring on and stuffs the thing gf left fro Longmire in a drawer. Thoughts? Does Vic have "feelings" for Longmire or am I reading something else into this scene?

Judy
post #70 of 152
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So is it just me or was there something more to the exchange between Vic and Longmire's new gal pal? Vic, being overly protective, asks Longmire's gf what her intentions are, saying she doesn't want him to get hurt. The GF asks what Vic's intentions are because Vic is married and never wears her wedding ring. Gf leaves and Vic casts an odd look towards Longmire's office, puts her ring on and stuffs the thing gf left fro Longmire in a drawer. Thoughts? Does Vic have "feelings" for Longmire or am I reading something else into this scene?
Judy
I think Vic has feelings for him. Wasn't it brought out in one episode that she and her husband were "having problems?" I sense a tinge of jealousy over Longmire's new "friend."
post #71 of 152
Longmire - Second Season.

Season Premiere Monday, May 27 10/9C

http://www.aetv.com/longmire/
post #72 of 152
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

Longmire - Second Season.

Season Premiere Monday, May 27 10/9C

http://www.aetv.com/longmire/
Excellent... looking forward to it.
post #73 of 152
I really enjoyed this show last year and I'm glad it's returning soon... Coincidentally, I was re-watching an Australian movie "Rogue",about a killer croc, and I'd forgotten who one of the tourists was. It was Longmire himself .He plays an American on vacation and he sounds exactly the way he does on the tv show! Maybe he was practicing his accent...


Anyway, hope the new season is as entertaining as the first was.
post #74 of 152
Excellent... looking forward to it's return also.

And who could have thought that Bret Favre would have been such a good actor. smile.gif
post #75 of 152
Good to see Walt and Vic back. Gets hard to determine real and hallucinations sometimes though.
post #76 of 152
Pretty good season opener last night.
post #77 of 152
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Good to see Walt and Vic back. Gets hard to determine real and hallucinations sometimes though.
I think it was used as a way to bring viewers up to speed from last season, at least I hope that was the intention as too much of that can get very annoying and take the viewer out of the current storyline.
post #78 of 152
I loved how Starbuck punched the FBI agent and when he just looked at her she said "Uh, oh"
post #79 of 152
What-the-hell kind of ending was that?

"Is he dead?"
"Not yet."

I was thinking the story line was to be continued, but the previews indicate no. Where is the resolution and explanation as to who died or what about the wounded agent in the mine?
post #80 of 152
They were asking if Walt was dead and he responded, no further story needed.
post #81 of 152
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

I think it was used as a way to bring viewers up to speed from last season, at least I hope that was the intention as too much of that can get very annoying and take the viewer out of the current storyline.

The show has always tried to show some mysticism such as the sweat lodge scenes from last year. I don't think they have done it well. I like the show and want to see it grow, but the continuity and dialogue seem forced to me in many instances. . Hope it improves as tv needs good, serious dramas and one based in the sparsely populated west is welcome over all the glamour locations.
post #82 of 152
Yep, their version of mysticism is cheesy but as long as it has Katie I'm in. And as you said, the location is perfect.
post #83 of 152
Although I was a bit underwhelmed by the season 2 opener, I (and the whole family) really enjoyed the first season and will watch all of season 2. There are many good things going for this series (as well as some weaknesses), but to mention one it's nice to see a series that's actually filmed somewhere other than LA or New York (yeah, we also watch Grimm and it's fun to recognize many of the Portland locations in the series and yeah, Justified is set in Kentucky but still mostly shot in LA). I couldn't tell for sure, but it seemed the S2 opener was shot on one of the NM ski resorts (it's been a few years, but I have fond memories of skiing at Santa Fe, Taos, Red River and Angel Fire).

(Just Googled it and it looks like S2 was or is being filmed in part at both Taos and Red River.)

It's also nice to see a bit of Native American politics and culture portrayed with a bit of complexity and depth (even if Longmire just goes lightly into it). Most of Hollywood can't seem to stay away from the extremes - either savage indians (circa mid 20th century) or noble people at one with the earth and downtrodden by evil white people (late 20th century to today, ala Dances with Wolves, or Avatar, which is Dances with Wolves set in outer space and with "red people" replaced by "blue people").

Modern day tribal politics could be worthy of a whole series in itself, having seen firsthand just a bit of the Cherokee Nation goings on when I lived in Tahlequah, OK (where they are headquartered and where I went to undergraduate school). I had moved before then, but the "1997 Cherokee Constitutional Crisis" is still "recent news", involving the elected chief (at the time) taking over the Cherokee Nation Courthouse at gunpoint with an armed paramilitary group after arguments with the judicial branch of the Cherokee Nation.

And if any readers ever get a chance to go to a powwow, in any part of the country, I highly recommend it.

Cliff
post #84 of 152
^^^
Its filmed all over northern and central New Mexico, there's no continuity between one location and the next. Some locations are in the Valles Calderas area west of Los Alamos, others are around Taos and Santa Fe. We've seen parts of the Rio Grande Gorge west of Taos also. Most of the wide open flat lands we see are in that general area. Based on terrain and snow conditions I'd guess that much of the season opener was filmed in the Jemez mountains west of Los Alamos.
post #85 of 152
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Originally Posted by cliffg View Post

Although I was a bit underwhelmed by the season 2 opener, I (and the whole family) really enjoyed the first season and will watch all of season 2. There are many good things going for this series (as well as some weaknesses), but to mention one it's nice to see a series that's actually filmed somewhere other than LA or New York (yeah, we also watch Grimm and it's fun to recognize many of the Portland locations in the series and yeah, Justified is set in Kentucky but still mostly shot in LA). I couldn't tell for sure, but it seemed the S2 opener was shot on one of the NM ski resorts (it's been a few years, but I have fond memories of skiing at Santa Fe, Taos, Red River and Angel Fire).

(Just Googled it and it looks like S2 was or is being filmed in part at both Taos and Red River.)

It's also nice to see a bit of Native American politics and culture portrayed with a bit of complexity and depth (even if Longmire just goes lightly into it). Most of Hollywood can't seem to stay away from the extremes - either savage indians (circa mid 20th century) or noble people at one with the earth and downtrodden by evil white people (late 20th century to today, ala Dances with Wolves, or Avatar, which is Dances with Wolves set in outer space and with "red people" replaced by "blue people").

Modern day tribal politics could be worthy of a whole series in itself, having seen firsthand just a bit of the Cherokee Nation goings on when I lived in Tahlequah, OK (where they are headquartered and where I went to undergraduate school). I had moved before then, but the "1997 Cherokee Constitutional Crisis" is still "recent news", involving the elected chief (at the time) taking over the Cherokee Nation Courthouse at gunpoint with an armed paramilitary group after arguments with the judicial branch of the Cherokee Nation.

And if any readers ever get a chance to go to a powwow, in any part of the country, I highly recommend it.

Cliff
Agree with both points as they are both reasons why I like this show as well. It's a very nice and very welcome change of pace from the cookie-cutter shows that clutter the dial, especially the scenery. I hope the show has the budget to continue with all those locations shoots as without them it would certainly suffer in quality.
post #86 of 152
Geez. Shot in NM. The production crew could get extra work if they would bring Leaphorn and Chee back with the Hillerman mysteries. rolleyes.gif
post #87 of 152
Kind of a soft return for me, wasn't wow'd by anything, yawned a few times, I like the deputy (starbuck) more hten anything else in the show.
post #88 of 152
We watched the season 2 opener last night. Neither of us thought it very good. After it was over I said to my wife, "If you didn't know these characters from last year and had no idea who they were or what was going on, you'd be completely lost and have no reason tune in for the second episode of season 2."

I think that still sums up my thoughts about it. It's a shame, too, because my wife and I both enjoyed season 1, so much so that she's read all the books, and I've just started as well.

SMK
post #89 of 152
IMO it wasn't any better or worse than what we saw last year, just more of the same. I wonder how much we'll find out about Walt's history in Denver and elsewhere this year, but they'll probably drib and drab it out again.
post #90 of 152
I like the characters all in all, Robert Taylor has a nifty style. I guess like most all drams of this sort you have to suspend disbelief to some extent. Taylor doesn't seem to pack quite the heft that would be needed for him to be as tough as he is portrayed, but oh well. The part that starts to get to me is the reaching a bit for drama wit the plots. The one last season with the cult and the girls tied on the railroad tracks was pretty far out, and the season 2 premiere headed a little bit towards jumping the shark territory with the guy selling organs on the black market.

But I do like it, not many other small screen shows pull me in like this one does, and it'll be quite awhile until season 2 of Vikings, which coincidentally also has an Aussie lead.
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