Originally Posted by Zon2020
I don't care how much you've overclocked that six core Phenom, it's still a lot slower than a $150 i5-3450, and the 3450 will use a fraction of the power and generate a fraction of the heat. And you don't need to add a graphics card with the i5. And the more you overclock it to try to catch up, the more power it uses and the more heat it generates.
I don't think there is a single situation in which a Llano build will use less power or produce less heat than a similar Intel build. On what do you base your contrary claim?
Assassin has been reporting his efforts to deal with 70c temps in trying to build an A8 ITX system, no matter which cooler he uses.
See, for example:
You're comparing a processor that came out 2 years ago to a brand new one on a new fabrication process. My thuban is 45nm, Ivy bridge is 22nm, of course Ivy bridge uses less power and it also performs better. I'm not sure if you are wilfully misunderstanding my post...
I said my thuban is blazing fast, it is, there is no pause in anything, I have it with an unlocked 6950 and it pays every game at Ultra settings, it opens photoshop in a few seconds, performs everything I need with no pause. Intel is still faster though, but I doubt I would notice much if any of a difference.
What I was referring to was Llano vs Intel for HTPC use. AMD's APU has significantly better graphics, Intel is faster on the processing side, but for an HTPC Llano is a better choice if you plan to do light gaming on your htpc (well Trinity is even better and that is coming out right now). Both Intel and AMD's integrated graphics are fine for 1080p playback, but what if you want to play games or use your HTPC as a console emulator? AMD wins unless you add a dedicated GPU, then you are no longer comparing the two because the Intel build is more expensive, in fact you are not really doing a fair comparison at all as you are comparing a $220 Intel i5 to an $100 A8. Your chart is meaningless as you are comparing different GPU's. An APU doesn't need a discrete GPU, so the advantage Intel has in terms of power and heat due to its smaller die size is rendered null when you account for a GPU which uses more power, creates more heat and prevents more optimal cooling. Trinity is out now so there is a die shrink for AMD which means less power, less heat.
I don't have a horse in the race as I went with Intel for an HTPC as I had a spare GPU, otherwise I would have gone with another AMD build... To say AMD is never better than intel is silly, both have their niches. AMD is further down than it has been in terms of power against intel since the Phenom II, but their are other markets opening up and other sections of computing. Intel isn't even in the graphics arena, AMD currently has the fastest GPU (when you overclock it vs Nvidias overclocked fastest, otherwise stock, Nvidia is faster) It has contracts coming up with most if not all the major console manufacturers to make a significant portion of the hardware. CPUs are only a section of the market, even intel makes other things such as SSd's and motherboards. If AMD enters the mobile section with a shrunk down less powerful version of its APU for tablets and phones it will make a ton of money, I'm sure they can come up with something better than ARM.