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post #1 of 34
Thread Starter 
While the new forum looks really good, it is sooooooooooo slow. I can't believe how long it takes to load pages. If I click on go to the first new post, the page loads up quickly, but it is a LONG time before I have conrol to click on anything or scroll through the page. Very unresponsive. Been on the site for awhile now and haven't been able to do much then read 2 postings. The new site makes my HD churn and churn. I changed my settings to the recommended ones listed in the welcome post for power users and it still is going so slow I almost can't use the site.
post #2 of 34
Hey William,

Unfortunately you're right in that the site will be moving a bit slow for some folks. The good news is that this is a known byproduct of conversion and it will speed up over the next few days as the caches build with the new platform. Stick with us, and you should see the same new look with much better performance.
post #3 of 34

As Nick stated, your system is loading all these files for the first time.  That can take a day or two to catch up fully.  There will be gradual improvement as you use the site, thanks!

post #4 of 34
Where is the recommended settings for power users?

EDIT:

Never mind, its a link in the first post of the quick start to the new platform thread
post #5 of 34
Thread Starter 
I can't believe how freaking slow this forum is now, days after launch. When I get a section to actually respond, all seems OK until I click on thread (even a thread I have been to multiple times in the last couple days) it takes awhile to load it but once the thread is loaded up, I loose mouse functionality for about 10 seconds, and then I can scroll, but you can only scroll once, and then you have to wait 5 seconds for the scroll to happen and get mouse control back again. heaven forbid you have to type or click on something, its a horrible delay that makes it so freaking frustrating I am not sure I want to do this anymore. Its almost unuseable, it takes me an hour to read a few posts instead of a few minutes. Soooo frustrated.
post #6 of 34
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

I can't believe how freaking slow this forum is now, days after launch. When I get a section to actually respond, all seems OK until I click on thread (even a thread I have been to multiple times in the last couple days) it takes awhile to load it but once the thread is loaded up, I loose mouse functionality for about 10 seconds, and then I can scroll, but you can only scroll once, and then you have to wait 5 seconds for the scroll to happen and get mouse control back again. heaven forbid you have to type or click on something, its a horrible delay that makes it so freaking frustrating I am not sure I want to do this anymore. Its almost unuseable, it takes me an hour to read a few posts instead of a few minutes. Soooo frustrated.
This is exactly my experience.

Not buying the will-speed-up-over-the-next-few-days explanation yet. I've been visiting every day, as I've always done, with absolutely no change.

It is simply bloated. Animation, advertising, social networking, mobile, data gathering and a bunch of other background tech that is of no benefit to me is only impeding my ability to conveniently search for information. I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I've got a tennner that says AVS will be at crawling speed a month from now.
post #7 of 34
I still dont see what you guys mean as slow lol. I'm using sat internet and loads just fine! Links??
post #8 of 34
I also do not see it and I have tested it on Cable modem, Verizon 3G and 4G and also a Hughes sat connection.

Can you please maybe run a Trace Route, if you know how, and post the results.

Traceroute has started…

traceroute to www.avsforum.com (174.37.44.251), 64 hops max, 72 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 2.712 ms 0.841 ms 1.194 ms
2 cable-mac1.rochnyeq-ar4001.nyroc.rr.com (74.69.16.1) 25.619 ms 29.712 ms 30.050 ms
3 rdc-24-93-8-46.wny.northeast.rr.com (24.93.8.46) 11.389 ms 11.986 ms 12.799 ms
4 rdc-72-230-153-135.wny.northeast.rr.com (72.230.153.135) 12.903 ms 12.238 ms 12.763 ms
5 rdc-72-230-153-243.wny.northeast.rr.com (72.230.153.243) 12.826 ms 12.732 ms 12.543 ms
6 ae-3-0.cr0.chi10.tbone.rr.com (66.109.6.72) 31.924 ms 31.127 ms 32.155 ms
7 ae-0-0.pr0.chi10.tbone.rr.com (66.109.6.153) 34.969 ms 31.929 ms 45.561 ms
8 tex-x.bbr01.eq01.chi01.networklayer.com (66.109.11.106) 25.653 ms 25.142 ms 26.090 ms
9 ae20.bbr01.eq01.dal03.networklayer.com (173.192.18.136) 49.881 ms 50.319 ms 51.139 ms
10 ae0.dar01.sr01.dal01.networklayer.com (173.192.18.253) 51.367 ms 50.432 ms 51.103 ms
11 po2.fcr04.sr05.dal01.networklayer.com (66.228.118.218) 53.027 ms 51.978 ms 52.478 ms
12 174.37.44.251-static.reverse.softlayer.com (174.37.44.251) 51.750 ms 50.562 ms 51.247 ms
post #9 of 34
Thread Starter 
Not sure how to do a trace route. frown.gif

The thing that seems to happen that slows it down for me is that when I click say first new thread, that page comes right up, no problem, loads, looks great, in a second or 2. But I can't click on anything yet, I can't scroll. Well I can scroll but if you scroll down, you wait 2-3 seconds then the scroll happens. Same with using the slider for the window. I put my cursor over something clickable and it is not the hand icon, it sits there for 5 seconds, then I can click on it, and then it doesn't do anything for 5 seconds then it register the click. Weird how it is slow for scrolling, clicking, etc. but the page comes right up when I first start on it.
post #10 of 34
Trace wont matter if you're on a standard cable or dsl connection.

Im on a datacenter pipe 1gb to internet and the site loads slow... i asked in another thread exactly what hardware is that sat on and what is caching to where.
post #11 of 34
Thread Starter 
My cable connection is 25 mbs (verified via speedtest).

I noticed something that I thought I would share. I was just try to determine why it is so slow. I noticed that I can't scroll (delay in scrolling) and clicking on things (no hand point icon) happens everytime there are posts with replies. Sounds weird but I just tested it a few times and if I can go to the first new post of a thread and it happens to be a bunch of new posts with no replies, I can scroll immediately and click on things. If I go to the first new post and it is people replying with quotes to previous posts, I loose the ability to scroll for a few seconds and then when I do scroll it is really slow to respond. When that page has a lot of quoted replies it is hard to even close that tab, I click the x and it sits there for a long time, and then the page changes to the text of the previous tab but the tab is not gone and it then vanishes 15 seconds later. If there are no quoted posts, scrolls fine, and fast, and the tabs close fast. Odd I know, but it seems to be consistent.
post #12 of 34
i have the same slowness issues as already stated
post #13 of 34
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Originally Posted by gixerking View Post

i have the same slowness issues as already stated

ditto on the slowness
post #14 of 34
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Originally Posted by gdX View Post

It is simply bloated. Animation, advertising, social networking, mobile, data gathering and a bunch of other background tech that is of no benefit to me is only impeding my ability to conveniently search for information. I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but I've got a tennner that says AVS will be at crawling speed a month from now.

There's so much garbage going on now of course it's going to load slowly.

I've given it a few days "to cache" and it hasn't made a difference. Even scrolling up and down thread listing pages bogs the browser down now and makes the scrolling all jittery.

Hell, even the cached versions from Archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20110708021659/http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=26) work faster rolleyes.gif

Oh well, it's all in the name of "what's best for the site".

I'm really not enjoying browsing the forums anymore. Slow to load, slow to scroll, poor use of space, distracting ads (I didn't mind the ads before, they were less intrusive, now I want to use ad-blocker) and all sorts of useless visual clutter plastered all over the place.

Cookie-cutter huddler strikes again!

I love the huddler guys: "We were so inspired by sites like AVSForum that we wanted to stick them on our servers and ruin what made it so good in the first place".
post #15 of 34
If it bothers you that much use a modern browser like Chrome and add some extensions to ad block and script block some of the interactive content or become a AVS Club member to turn off the ads and regain the right column.

I personally find the site days later to be significantly faster with all the goodies and ads turned on full force and actually now lighting fast on my modern laptop with 8GB memory with ad blocker and script blocker extensions turned on . (I have Ad Block Plus and Ghostery and Change Colors extensions). Those kill ads, kill scripts and change text and background colors if I want to do that on this or any site.

But I personally like the ads on this site anyway as its logical for an AV site to have AV equipment ads. YMMV of course.


One thing may be is that the new software may be optimized to run better and take advantage of more modern machines that may be used now and in the future and those with less modern computers and laptops and slower connections may suffer a bit more in comparison. The flipside of that is that more modern computers and faster connections will benefit more with more interactive bells and whistles as well now and in the future. Plus the site has more potential for growth and stability as well in the future.

Also AVS Forum was probably just getting too big and vulnerable to be kept up with as it was and support was probably becoming more of the issue so the Huddler team probably provides a heck of a lot more support and infrastructure assets than AVS ever had before to work with.

Change often sucks, we all know that, but I'm sure it was not just the sweet word of the sales pitch of Huddler that was the only reason for the change.

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Edited by Kosty - 6/10/12 at 1:36pm
post #16 of 34
I've got 5GB RAM and a Quad Core Processor. What more do I really need to browse the web?

I frankly can't stand Firefox and I would rather not use a browser published by one of the world's biggest intelligence gathering corporations. If I have to use plugins to block all the things that bogs this site down, what does that say about this change? Perhaps it's not for the better for the end-user?
post #17 of 34
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Originally Posted by Kosty View Post

I personally find the site days later to be significantly faster with all the goodies and ads turned on full force and actually now lighting fast on my modern laptop with 8GB memory with ad blocker and script blocker extensions turned on ... One thing may be is that the new software may be optimized to run better and take advantage of more modern machines that may be used now and in the future and those with less modern computers and laptops and slower connections may suffer a bit more in comparison. The flipside of that is that more modern computers and faster connections will benefit more with more interactive bells and whistles as well now and in the future.
You're very fortunate in that all your toys are new and shiny. I can't afford to upgrade my workstation every time some IT kid bursts on the scene with some new prioritized "thing" that will make them the next Zuckerberg. Huddler brings nothing to the AVS table for hobbyists who solely want to research audio / video.

I suppose PC enthusiasts enjoy figuring it all out and taking the $teps necessary to do so. And insofar as I can't afford new HW/SW, this just becomes another place on the planet where, without spending money, I'm not welcome.

It's not the ads (I'm in advertising, I know what pandering is, and I can easily ignore the **** out of it). It's having to wait ten seconds after clicking page-down which is the slap in the face, while Huddler sells its clients a bill of goods.

The slow performance critique is valid, and the track record at other refreshed-for-revenue boards only further validates the concern and criticism.
post #18 of 34
Well said, gdX. I'm not as much of a "power user" of this website as some people are. I like to come here for a quick check up on the latest theater builds and to check on some developments in the HTPC forum. There's no doubt that there's been a performance hit in not only the load speeds but also the visual clutter that detracts from the content.
post #19 of 34
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Originally Posted by sebberry View Post

I'm not as much of a "power user" of this website as some people are. I like to come here for a quick check up on the latest theater builds and to check on some developments in the HTPC forum.

I'd say you qualify as a "power user" during the last 5 days based on post count frequency, but you have yet to post anywhere but this forum during that time. cool.gif
post #20 of 34
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Originally Posted by Mike Lang View Post

I'd say you qualify as a "power user" during the last 5 days based on post count frequency, but you have yet to post anywhere but this forum during that time. cool.gif

As I said, most of my time is spent here browsing, and now with this site being such a displeasure to browse now...

Eh.. what's the point. Not like anything for the better will come of it.
post #21 of 34
eek.gif Is sebberry not welcome in this forum?

I tend to frequent forums of interest to me, and right now my interest is getting the bugs worked out so I can return to my regular hangouts. One would think that seberry feels the same and that it would be okay. After all, the squeaky wheel gets the grease... smile.gif
post #22 of 34
I'll be browsing this site with Firefox/adblocker from now on. If you want to generate revenue from the ads here (and I have no problem with that, the ads before the switch weren't bothersome at all) then you'll reduce the ad width on the right hand side back down to one ad column (if cookie-cutter huddler allows for that).
post #23 of 34
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Originally Posted by gdX View Post

You're very fortunate in that all your toys are new and shiny. I can't afford to upgrade my workstation every time some IT kid bursts on the scene with some new prioritized "thing" that will make them the next Zuckerberg. Huddler brings nothing to the AVS table for hobbyists who solely want to research audio / video.
I suppose PC enthusiasts enjoy figuring it all out and taking the $teps necessary to do so. And insofar as I can't afford new HW/SW, this just becomes another place on the planet where, without spending money, I'm not welcome.
It's not the ads (I'm in advertising, I know what pandering is, and I can easily ignore the **** out of it). It's having to wait ten seconds after clicking page-down which is the slap in the face, while Huddler sells its clients a bill of goods.
The slow performance critique is valid, and the track record at other refreshed-for-revenue boards only further validates the concern and criticism.

You are ignoring the fact that the Huddler platform brings other things including a much more robust support staff for site maintenance and updates an security than what AVS had managed to provide by itself. I could tell that the custom VB versions this site had been using was starting to be patched together with string and chewing gum and was probably becoming more vulnerable to attack and vandals than you realized.

There was more than just ads and change for the sake of change going on here and once this is done I doubt we will see anything like the interface change here happen for many many years to come.

No one is saying that the slower performances issues you and others have brought up are not valid and are being improved upon. But its also unreasonable for this site to be stuck in amber as a museum piece that is relying on some infrastructure that was becoming more problematic all the time.

What's a bit unreasonable is for you to take my honest observations that the platform seems to take advantage of my year and a half old laptop's greater memory and processing power and Windows 7 operating system to somehow a slur on people with older hardware. You will probably upgrade your PC and broadband connection anyway in the future and it might be useful even for you to have a free site like this survive and grow with more interactive elements that will be faster to you in the future.

The data is still here and the conversation goes on which is the most important part and I think preserving that for the future was the overriding concern that led to the change, not just change for changes sake or to maximize revenues.
post #24 of 34
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Originally Posted by Mike Lang View Post

I'd say you qualify as a "power user" during the last 5 days based on post count frequency, but you have yet to post anywhere but this forum during that time. cool.gif

My apologies - I'm not directing my frustrations with the performance of this site at the mods here, but rather at the folks over at Huddler. Every huddler site that I've browsed has had performance issues from all the useless background crap that's going on. Non-Huddler sites running vBulletin, even those covered in the same quantity of ads that are displayed here are much quicker to load and scroll.

While Huddler's technical ability to take all the posts and data from the old AVS forum and fit it all in here is nothing short of astonishing, they haven't yet figured out how to make the site light and efficient.
post #25 of 34
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Originally Posted by sebberry View Post

My apologies - I'm not directing my frustrations with the performance of this site at the mods here, but rather at the folks over at Huddler.

Understood.

They have a Contact Us page if you'd care to reach them directly.

http://www.huddler.com/contact/
post #26 of 34
Hey Guys...

I am not going to say it is not slower for some and the same or faster for others. All I can say is we will work on looking for the issues that make for speed issues regardless. (Don't say turn off the ads for you can turn them off if a club member or by installing a plugin.) But it did get me wondering, as I really had to know, are were now slower overall then what we were running on?

So, well, I went in to Google Analytics and pulled a chart for page load speed as tacked...This covers May10 - June 9th. I was shocked to say the least!!! I wanted to add some suspense to this so I put it in a spoiler. The taller the line, the slower with the slowest being 9 seconds and the fastest, lowest point, being 3.63 seconds. (the dots) Overall by day.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Now I am no expert in these things so if I am reading this wrong please someone tell me. But I did find it interesting to say to the least. I AM NOT SAYING THEIR IS NO ISSUE. I personally do not see an issue on my 25 meg cable modem, or my 3G failover system, or my Hughes Sat connection from the motor coach system. (I am home now so I can test all of them.) But mileage does very.

Thanks all.
post #27 of 34
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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That would seem to indicate that either the pages are loading faster for some people based on their better hardware or connections that the new platform is taking advantage of, like my personal system and experience, or some other factor is in play like the home page or new forum main page that are hit the most now are easier to load or some other new site design factor.

It could also be that some of the deeper forum post pages that people uniquely visit and are the most obvious slow loading pages to them are fairly low volume usage and are slower than the most common pages that all users visit. It could also be that as the site learns and people's personal computers cache and the servers get all complied and cached that performance will improve for those lower volume viewed portions of the site as well.

If the trend continues for a longer period as people start going back to their old habits of viewing content and less about the more common pages then it will appear more obvious to everyone concerned that the situation is improving as time goes on.
post #28 of 34
i dunno what just happened between yesterday and today, but the site is now usable!! thanks!!
post #29 of 34
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Originally Posted by gixerking View Post

i dunno what just happened between yesterday and today, but the site is now usable!! thanks!!

You've made a couple posts tonight and no one else is reporting issues.
post #30 of 34
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Originally Posted by Mike Lang View Post

You've made a couple posts tonight and no one else is reporting issues.

dunno if you misunderstood me, but im saying it is working much better for me. thanks a ton, i can now scroll and click stuff without being laggy. much appreciated cool.gif
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