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post #241 of 1563
Kudos for being thorough, HDTV1080P24. biggrin.gif This may help some people decide whether the box is right for them. I found a few things of note in your review that I'll respond to:

A 7200 RPM HDD isn't necessary for a DVR, because a DVR doesn't need to perform any rapid read/write operations. If anything, a high-speed HDD is worse for DVR applications, as it will use more power, generate more heat, and potentially fail sooner than a drive that spins slower. Especially if you plan to use videobruce's internal HDD strategy, a 5400 RPM HDD would be closer to ideal.

It also probably won't be necessary to support HDD capacities above 2 TB for a while. Even current 1-2 TB drives seem fairly unreliable compared to drives with 500 GB capacity or less. HDD capacity has apparently risen faster than the technology can stably support, as high-capacity drives often have unflattering reviews on sites like Newegg. A 2 TB HDD may be convenient for storing lots of programming, but it will be much worse if it dies and takes all of that programming with it. Since the VRX uses external USB drives, it may be better to consider buying multiple 500 GB drives instead and swapping them as needed.

Regarding your comments on channel scanning, VHF 2-6 can still be used in the United States for DTV, although most stations have moved to UHF or at least VHF 7-13. I'm also not positive, but I'm fairly certain that there is no need to be concerned about cable companies encrypting local QAM channels. Doing that is illegal under FCC regulations. All basic cable packages are required to provide local channels in unencrypted form, but the provider is allowed to encrypt premium content (i.e. cable-exclusive channels).

I will also second your comment that a detailed signal strength meter is highly useful, especially if it will stay on the screen permanently while the user performs antenna adjustments. Having the signal meter disappear after a few seconds makes the adjustment process much more difficult. One feature I found beneficial on the old Zenith DTV converter boxes was that the signal meter would also beep (with faster beeping indicating a stronger signal), which made it easier to adjust the antenna by eliminating the need to also look at the screen to see the results.

Finally, I don't think there's any need for the VRX to add 2:3 pulldown for 1080p24 content, as any 60 Hz HDTV has the ability to telecine material on its own. The only benefit of having the VRX do it natively would be if the user's TV was particularly bad at it, but the technology has existed for so long that it's doubtful one box would do a better or worse job than another.

Native output modes are also discouraged over HDMI connections, because it isn't possible to change resolutions without re-establishing the HDMI link. Since HDMI includes asinine copy protection, the renegotiation often takes a second or more, which makes changing channels on a DVR take even longer than it normally would. There also is theoretically little benefit in having a native output mode, since no HDTV is capable of displaying both 720p and 1080p natively. Each set has either one resolution or the other, and the non-native resolution will have to be converted up or down to match the display's resolution. Since letting the DVR do the conversion eliminates the need to reset the HDMI connection repeatedly, it's generally more popular to do it that way instead of letting the TV up or down-convert the video itself.
post #242 of 1563
I have used some 3TB 7,200RPM hard drives with a 4 tuner CableCard setup. Recording 4 HD channels at once while watching a previous recording has worked fine. I have not had any problems so far with 2TB and 3TB hard drives. The 7,200RPM hard drives might be over kill for some simple configurations. Some people also like to use the Green drives for DVR’s since they operate around 5400RPM and spin up to 7,200RPM when more data is being rapidly accessed.

I was not aware that there was still some stations that opeartate at VHF 2-6 in the United States. I was reading about the new TV antennas only being designed for channels 7-51 and thought everyone had already relocated off channels 2-6 VHF in the US. I know that currently that cable companies are required to carry all local channels unencrypted within like a 50 mile range or so. My point is that laws can change and maybe in the future cable companies will be able to encrypt all QAM channels including locals.

Some older HD displays that have 1080P inputs cannot handle 1080p/24 signals but only 1080P at 60Hz along with 1080i, 720P, 480P, and 480i. 100% of all Blu-ray players offer a 1080P 60Hz output option for those older legacy HD displays that do not have 1080P/24 inputs. Now Digital Cable boxes and Direct TV offer 1080p/24 with no 1080P 60Hz option. So I agree that it would be a minor issue to offer 1080P at 60Hz option on the PHD-VRX. The problem is the PHD-VRX does not have any 1080i output for older displays. So it forces people to output 720P to their older display.

The video scaling in my Pioneer Elite VSX-33 receiver and Pioneer Elite PRO-101FD monitor is better than the PHD-VRX. The native source direct feature would be an important option for videophiles. I am aware that channel changing between a 1080i, 720P, and 480i station will take a few seconds longer. The Direct TV HR-21 PRO offers a native mode and I like the feature even though channel changes sometimes takes longer.
Edited by HDTV1080P24 - 6/23/12 at 7:39pm
post #243 of 1563
Wow. Lots of good information here. Thanks for the HDMI audio tip. I'll probably pick one of these things up.
post #244 of 1563
Before continuing, I think it's worth mentioning that I'm not trying to be critical of your review. I'm hoping that exploring these lines of discussion will further assist people who are thinking of buying this or another DVR. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P24 
Recording 4 HD channels at once while watching a previous recording has worked fine. I have not had any problems so far with 2TB and 3TB hard drives.

Recording four shows at once might require enough throughput to warrant a 7200 RPM drive, but since the VRX can only do two, I know that 5400 is definitely fast enough to work (since I'm using that speed in my dual-tuner DVR). If you bought your 2 TB drives a while ago, they may be of better quality than the ones that are available now. The floods in Thailand may have affected more than just prices, as recent model reviews of high-capacity drives haven't been terribly encouraging from what I've read.
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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P24 
I was not aware that there was still some stations that opeartate at VHF 2-6 in the United States. I was reading about the new TV antennas only being designed for channels 7-51 and thought everyone had already relocated off channels 2-6 VHF in the US.

California's KIEM is the only low-VHF channel I know of, but I think there are a few more. It is certainly no longer common to use those frequencies, and most markets don't have stations that use them. The reason that new antennas don't work well with low-VHF channels is that they're too small. UHF (and high-VHF, to some degree) channels have high enough frequencies that they can be received using six-inch elements, which makes compact indoor antennas practical. Low-VHF frequencies require the massive elements commonly used on the formerly iconic rooftop antennas. The long elements on such antennas were for receiving channels 2-6, while the two smaller element arrays were for 7-13 and 14-69. With most stations in metropolitan areas avoiding channels 2-6, the unwieldy largest elements can now be omitted, making antennas more compact.
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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P24 
I know that currently that cable companies are required to carry all local channels unencrypted within like a 50 mile range or so. My point is that laws can change and maybe in the future cable companies will be able to encrypt all QAM channels including locals.

It's possible, but I wouldn't count on it happening any time soon. The entire point of the lowest tier of service is to supply OTA channels to people in locations where using an antenna isn't an option. The FCC probably wouldn't be keen on letting the providers start encrypting those channels and charging extra fees for STB rentals. It's definitely true that cable companies won't provide premium channels in an unencrypted form for much longer (and many already don't), so it's conceivable that they might start pushing to remove the FCC's barrier to encrypting local channels at some point, too.
post #245 of 1563
HDTV1080P24,

Thanks for your thorough review of the Tuner/Switcher attributes of the PHD-VRX. I missed it yesterday due to the fact I was logged in and my black background setting did not show your post properly. Looking forward to the second half of your write up on the DVR features.
post #246 of 1563
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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P24 View Post

Part two review on the PHD-VRX
2. Major audio problem with HDMI (This is a big issue): The PHD-VRX converts all audio streams to 2.0 PCM over HDMI. When a channel contains 5.1 Dolby Digital the PHD-VRX will send 2.0 PCM instead. There absolutely needs to be a menu audio option that allows 5.1 Dolby Digital audio from ATSC and QAM channels to be streamed over the HDMI output so that consumers can use this product with a modern A/V receiver that allows HDMI switching. On a Digital HD cable box and Digital HD satellite receiver 5.1 Dolby Digital is always sent over HDMI when connected to a A/V receiver. Also the old brite-View BV-980H ATSC/QAM tuner passed 5.1 Dolby Digital over HDMI. The way the PHD-VRX firmware is setup now the HDMI output is designed for consumers that plan on plugging the box directly into their HDTV using a HDMI connection. Also the volume control was designed to only work for HDMI and not optical. The optical audio output is fixed volume level when turned on, and offers AC3 bitstream or 2.0 PCM. It is very ridiculous that there is not a menu option to allow the HDMI output to pass 2.0 and 5.1 Dolby Digital (bitstream AC3). I even plugged my OPPO BDP-93 into the PHD-VRX HDMI input just too see what it would do. The HDMI input is an active input and not passive. The 5.1 PCM and the 7.1 DTS HD-Master audio tracks from the Blu-ray player were converted to 2.0 PCM by the PHD-VRX. I almost returned this product when I found out the PHD-VRX does not pass native 2.0 and 5.1 Dolby Digital over the HDMI output. The work around was to run optical into the Pioneer Elite VSX-33 A/V receiver. Then I had to program the Pioneer to take the video from the HDMI output and the audio from the optical output. The optical output will pass 2.0 PCM or native AC3 (1.0-5.1 Dolby Digital) depending on the menu settings in the PHD-VRX. Some A/V receivers on the market might not be able to combine HDMI video with optical audio. I am lucky my Pioneer A/V receiver had the feature or I would have returned the PHD-VRX. This is a major issue for consumers with A/V receivers with HDMI inputs, the box needs to be able to pass AC3 over HDMI. Also the volume level is a lot lower over 2.0 PCM HDMI when compare to 2.0 PCM optical (The HDMI volume on the PHD-VRX was turned all the way up).
Please excuse my confusion. I want to be sure. Are you saying that DD5.1 can only be sent via the optical connection? My AVR can mix the HDMI video with optical audio, but I am trying real hard to reduce my cable count. Not sending the received DD5.1 from the cable/OTA channel seems like, well, strange.
post #247 of 1563
Not getting the DD5.1 through the HDMI connection may be an issue with the HDMI handshake between the PHD-VRX and your particular avr. When the HDMI handshake is performed the audio format of the sending device is limited to what it detected through the handshake. Thus it maybe that in your case it doesn't detect that your avr is capable of DD5.1 so it only sends out PCM. This has happened to me with other components ( I don't have a PHD-VRX ) and have had to resort to either a digital coax or optical output to get DD5.1 to my SSP. ePVision needs to be informed of your issue. Others may not have the issue.
Edited by pkeegan - 6/24/12 at 9:34am
post #248 of 1563
To future potential buyers,
I noticed ePVision has an ebay store named epvstore.
They have only two of their products listed as of now, neither of which are the PHD-VRX.
The PHD-8VX currently listed at the store is a little less than it is on their main website. I imagine they would soon be selling the PHD-VRX at the store once they are confident the unit is for the most part stable. (possibly at a small discount?)
I think this forum is probably the largest test bed with documented feedback. Hopefully ePVision is watching because videobruce is having a hard time getting people to actually contact the company and express their concerns.

If each and every customer here would contact them about the things that need to be improved, they will listen.
Call and ask for Allen, he seems to be the go to person for these concerns.




For more information on the products, please contact us at:
ePVision / ePBoard Design
4065 E. La Palma Ave. Suite #C
Anaheim, CA 92807

Tel: (714) 630-6839
Fax: (714) 632-8459

Click here to email us.

General Inquires: http://info@epvision.com
Sales Inquires: http://sales@epvision.com
post #249 of 1563
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Please excuse my confusion. I want to be sure. Are you saying that DD5.1 can only be sent via the optical connection? My AVR can mix the HDMI video with optical audio, but I am trying real hard to reduce my cable count. Not sending the received DD5.1 from the cable/OTA channel seems like, well, strange.

Yes under the current firmware version, Dolby Digital 1.0-5.1 requires an optical connection. In the PHD-VRX menu there is an option to turn off optical, convert everything to 2.0 PCM over optical, or bitstream AC3 over optical. 100% of all ATSC broadcasts use Dolby Digital (also called AC3) and the reason the PHD-VRX offers a 2.0 PCM conversion mode is that some people have very old 2.0 stereo systems that can only handle 2.0 PCM over optical (Back in the days of 2.0 PCM CD’s, etc).

The current firmware for the PHD-VRX was designed for the HDMI output to be connected directly to a HDTV with a HDMI input only. The reason why I say that is that there is no audio options in the menu for HDMI and the volume control on the remote will only work over HDMI. Also the HDMI output only sends 2.0 PCM under the current firmware. So any 5.1 Dolby Digital surround sound program will be converted to 2.0 PCM when using HDMI connection. This might be fine for someone that plans on only connecting the PHD-VRX to a HDTV directly, but it is a bad firmware design for people that own modern A/V receivers with HDMI inputs.

Hopefully a future firmware update will offer a menu selection that will allow consumers to switch the HDMI output between PCM and AC3 bitstream. The bitstream mode if they every design it for the HDMI output will disable the volume control feature on the PHD-VRX. People with A/V receivers would perfer to use their A/V receiver volume control anyways.

If Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound is important to people and they own an A/V receiver with HDMI inputs then some people might want to wait for a firmware update before purchasing this product. Some A/V receivers will allow one to program the receiver to accept only the video from the HDMI and to accept the audio from the optical connection. Until there is a firmware update to correct this issue you have to use optical output for 5.1 Dolby Digital.

I am not happy with this either. I had to pull the fiber optical cable from my old Pioneer Laserdisc player off and connect it to the PHD-VRX. Now I have to purchase another fiber optic cable. I have never owned a HDMI device that did not pass 5.1 Dolby Digital over HDMI. All modern HD satellite receivers, HD digital cable boxes, and even other brands of ATSC/QAM tuners have all passed 5.1 Dolby Digital over HDMI.
Edited by HDTV1080P24 - 6/24/12 at 3:34pm
post #250 of 1563
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Originally Posted by morc258 View Post

To future potential buyers,
I noticed ePVision has an ebay store named epvstore.
They have only two of their products listed as of now, neither of which are the PHD-VRX.
The PHD-8VX currently listed at the store is a little less than it is on their main website. I imagine they would soon be selling the PHD-VRX at the store once they are confident the unit is for the most part stable. (possibly at a small discount?)
I think this forum is probably the largest test bed with documented feedback. Hopefully ePVision is watching because videobruce is having a hard time getting people to actually contact the company and express their concerns.
If each and every customer here would contact them about the things that need to be improved, they will listen.
Call and ask for Allen, he seems to be the go to person for these concerns.

For more information on the products, please contact us at:
ePVision / ePBoard Design
4065 E. La Palma Ave. Suite #C
Anaheim, CA 92807
Tel: (714) 630-6839
Fax: (714) 632-8459
Click here to email us.
General Inquires: http://info@epvision.com
Sales Inquires: http://sales@epvision.com
Thanks for the post. I already emailed them with major and minor issues that needs fixed.
post #251 of 1563
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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P24 View Post

Yes under the current firmware version, Dolby Digital 1.0-5.1 requires an optical connection. In the PHD-VRX menu there is an option to turn off optical, convert everything to 2.0 PCM over optical, or bitstream AC3 over optical. 100% of all ATSC broadcasts use Dolby Digital (also called AC3) and the reason the PHD-VRX offers a 2.0 PCM conversion mode is that some people have very old 2.0 stereo systems that can only handle 2.0 PCM over optical (Back in the days of 2.0 PCM CD’s, etc).

I appreciate the response. So I go back to fence sitting. You could have stopped at the first word "Yes". Even my TV will pass DD5.1 out its optical ports from any DD5.1 input. But everybody makes mistakes I guess.

I have a Seagate FreeAgent drive I was going to use. It has a wall wart, so power won't be an issue. I understand the issue with drive speed. My M6620N has a 7200rpm drive in it and I find it much cooler that the CM7400. (What isn't?) But thanks again for the great review.
post #252 of 1563
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra 
My M6620N has a 7200rpm drive in it and I find it much cooler that the CM7400. (What isn't?)

The former has a fan, while the latter does not, which surely makes a difference. The fact that the VRX was designed for an external drive should also help to prevent overheating, I would think.
post #253 of 1563
Thread Starter 
Thanks morc258; I've been saying that for two years now..

They did a decent job of engineering the main circuit board. There are no 'jumpers' or added components as I have found on countless of other electronic products where modifications were made. Though with more and more SoC (System on a Chip) designs, there are less and less discrete components on these boards. The power supply seems to be adequate enough to power a 2.5" hard drive as I stated earlier without running excessively hot.
I still feel this has plenty of potential, but the firmware is holding it back.

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I couldn't resist. biggrin.gif

I feel the main purpose of a DVR is the ability to record and playback that recording. This includes finding the program which includes a description in a grid with many other stations in the same time slot(s). Then retrieving that program and playing it back, in whole or in part, jumping forward or back at will. Also, marking that spot where you left off to return there at another time. Everything else is secondary.

This is a OTA and to a much lessor extent CATV (due to the lack of CC and an analog encoder to record those channels) recorder that has additional features that are a questionable value considering the "basics" have not been met. Understandable, a CableCard provision would of raised the price of this considerably, possible at least 50% or more. This wasn't the market ePVision wanted to market to. At least, not initially. I do understand this, but have my reservations. Leaving out the component out, not at least providing a 'slot' for an internal 2.5" HDD and a few other 'hardware' issues in favor of a bunch of bells & whistles I do have a problem with.

If I wanted to access U Tube, I have a PC to do that. Since the overall quality of that service is less than stellar, I think it's kinda a waste to degrade this DVR by including this feature. Their Media Switcher has it's place, but their cost savings elsewhere could of been offset by not including this function with it's shortcomings.

Have said this, below is my 'laundry list'.
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Edited by videobruce - 8/2/12 at 7:08am
post #254 of 1563
Thread Starter 
Ultra long "laundry list" of major problems. This does not include hardware issues.
I lost count on how many versions of this I have sent in the past three months, but with the additional points that HDTV1080P24 and others brought to light, here it is. As already stated, ePVision has had problems making changes to the default video settings (and possibly others) that created other problems, so they hit the panic button and seemed to put the brakes on any other changes placing any progress on hold.
More importantly, the stranglehold TiVo has on DVR development, namely "grid" type of program guides and their so called patents they managed to get rights too elsewhere, has raised concern and mostly fear. TiVo's pure greed (the reason for my 'TiVo's greed' thread) stifles development, especially with small companies that could never be any threat to TiVo's domain.


In order of importance (which leaves this open for disagreement, but will welcome comment):

1. No full user manual. I can't say I have ever seen or heard of a consumer product that didn't have some type of user manual, especially something as complex as this. While a couple of specific How To's where added to their web site, this was only recently. I know they are fully aware of this. This shouldn't of been released without a manual.

2a. The Guide needs to include both tuners integrated together as one Guide no matter which input you are in. It's a real problem and inconvenience to have to switch back and forth between tuners to try to schedule programming. Especially if you have overlapping recordings. Also, more than one channels programming needs to be available. This is another real problem. You schedule one program only to find something better on another channel at the same time. If you forget what channel that was, you have to go back and find it, one channel at a time. PSIP Guide data is unreliable, spotty and inconsistent if it is there at all. It was intended to have a paid subscription Guide available two years ago. Other than the lack of a manual, this is problem #1.
2b. The Guide really needs a subscription, Internet based full program data. I know this is well known to them, but I had to have this in the list. PSIP data is mostly worthless. What good are three to six hours of listings? Anything less than one full week shouldn't be acceptable in this day and age.

3. No ability to remember where playback was stopped. No 'Mark' function. You stop or exit playback mode either accidentally or on purpose, you loose where you were. One hour into a two hour movie, you have to leave, as soon as you press stop,when it comes time to pick up where you left off, guess what? You have to remember were you were and hit the 20 second skip xx number of times or use the fast forward to return to where you left off.
Also, if you hit "Exit" while watching a recording, you not just stop the recording, but fully exit from the Player, again loosing where you were.

4. A timer recording from standby looses the 1st 45 seconds of the program due to the boot time if the recorder was in standby. Booting from standby should start one minute early so the recorder is up and running.

5. The 20 second skip forward and back was most welcome (there wasn't any until I insisted on this), but 20 seconds is not enough. Give the ability to set times in each direction. 15, 30, 60 & 120 seconds would suffice with 15 seconds back and 60 seconds forward as defaults. What is really needed is adjustable skip times from 15 seconds to five minutes. Even though, if you hold the Skip Fwd or Rev down, it will FF scan until you release it, a fixed amount would make s things easier.

6a. There is no audio at all when the timeshifting mode is activated. There is audio on the HDMI output.
6b. If a recorded program is paused during playback, the video freezes but the audio continues playing for an additional 5 seconds or so. When the video stream is resumed by hitting play, there is no audio until the video "catches up" to the point where the audio originally paused (another 5 seconds). The HDMI output behaves normally.
6c. Audio controls have no effect on analog or optical outputs. Also, HDMI apparently passes only two channel stereo audio.
6d. Optical audio level is apparently very low.

7. The output of this DVR been confirmed to be very dark with high contrast. You have to set the brightness to around 15 and the contrast around 80. It's way too dark at the default settings. These settings do not apply to Media Player, you have to readjust them each and every time you use MP since they don't 'stick'. The settings should be universal to both functions

8a. A Full manual recording option, no matter if there is Guide data or not that is directly accessible from the Record button without going into any menu or Guide. There are too many times where one needs to modify the start and/or stop times either way. As this stands, other than diving into the main menu a number of layers deep, when in the Guide, there is no full manual recording available if there is Guide data of any kind on that channel.
8b. There is no “Weekly” option for recording in the manual recording option. This is the most used type of recording. Remove the unnecessary Sat. & Sun. entry. I can't see any purpose for this.

9. GoTo & Guide buttons on the remote need to be swapped. GoTo needs to be renamed to Return as it is on most other devices. GoTo means something entirely different than what it does here and is confusing. The button for GoTo is larger and should be for the Guide. Apparently ePVision realizes this as they pack a separate slip in the box stating the use of the GoTo button.

10. No 1080i for older HDTV's w/o a 1080p input. 480p was removed with the latest firmware. This needs to be restored.

11. An attached external enclosed hard drive does not spin down anymore when the DVR is on, only when in standby with the last firmware release. Why?

12. Nothing preventing you to place the DVR in standby, or to change channels in or out of the Guide to prevent stopping a recording in progress. You will loose the recording if standby is pressed accidentally, or you change a channel in or out of the Guide.

13. Menu icons are hard to read and decipher. Plain text is needed instead of those hard to decipher icons. It's confusing to guess at a icon, then read the text above and to the right of that icon. Substitute icons for plain text by moving the sub-category to the far left column replacing the associated icon. The GUI in their Media Switcher was better. Not as 'glitzy', but who cares, it's easier to navigate.

14. Ability to turn clock display off when in standby, substituting a single 'dash' to indicate standby. Also, disable the red LED in the standby mode since it is confusing to have represent two functions; record & standby.

15. Speed play is useless as it stands either do to hardware limitations (procession power and/or memory) and/or firmware. The sample rate is terrible making the feature worthless. You can't see enough frames to make any sense out of the video. If this is the best the circuity can do, it's better just to remove the function.

16. Replace 'Scale Window” with Media Player Recordings in the Quick Menu. One button access to the recorded programs list. After all, that is the purpose of this isn't it?

17. Shorten the manual recording file name by removing the seconds and changing the year to two digits. Assuming this sorts its recordings alphabetically, naming the files in descending YY-MM-DD would work better recording multiple programs before watching.

18. In the Video (Picture) sub-menu, once you selected a item, you can't scroll up or down to the next item to adjust without returning to the previous screen.

19. Rename 'Picture' to 'Video' in the main menu and move Dynamic Contrast out of that 'Advanced' menu so all A/V adjustments in one sub-menu. Then delete "Advanced" since nothing would be under that heading anymore. Color temperature has no noticeable effect so remove that.

20. Inconsistent time format. Some are shown as 12 hr., others as 24 hrs. In the US, 12 hrs. is preferred.

21. Media Player; Use skip fwd & back to move through the pages instead of channel up/down like it is in all other menu functions where this is used. Consistent and less confusing that way.

22. Change 'Video' to 'Recordings' in Media Player. “Video” is a term relating more to image adjustments. Originally this was labeled "Movie" until it was change per my insistence. Also change "Movie" to "Recording" in the delete confirmation box.

23. Change the “Recording List” to “Recording History”. Since it is just a history, not what is actually on the hard drive. It's confusing since one would assume these recording are still available.

24. Disable channel up/down while in Guide. It's too easy to hit and accidentally exit from the Guide.

25. Using You Tube, the aspect control has no effect. No full width. If you try to watch a 16x9 clip, it is squeezed down to 4x3.

26. Add USB support for a keyboard to make it easier to use U Tube. Trying to use the on screen keyboard gets old real quick.

29.“Skip” in the channel editor; Confusion of a checked or unchecked entry. That could mean either the channel is skipped or that it is active. A checked channel should mean skipped, not active.

28.Timeshift; Duplicate use of the skip fwd. & back function for slow motion is confusing. Use the separate orange & blue buttons for this and leave the skip & back functions the same.

29.Remove 'Locks' menu entry. According to a user report, it causes all kinds of problems due to forgetting the password and being able to bypass it under certain conditions.

30., Internet firmware upgrade option keeping USB flash drive upgrade. I would prefer conventional 'flashing' since you have control and can monitor the process directly. Considering how critical this is, I wouldn't trust a 'automatic' flash.

31. Configure that “Active” check box in the recording options so it's always checked.

32. There appears to be too many 'Aspect' choices. 'Direct' and 'Normal' appear to be identical. Debatable with some of the other choices.

33. What is “Digital Preference” under Audio for??

Last minute additions:

A plastic wrap has been applied to the DVR case[/B] which normally wouldn't be a problem or unusual, but the problem seems to be, it can't be easily removed.[/B] It seems as this film fused to the painted surface more than expected, possibly due to excessive heat in a truck during shipment.
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Edited by videobruce - 7/17/12 at 10:18am
post #255 of 1563
what a great thread.

videobruce and hdtv1080p24 you guys are heroic, thanks so much for all the reviews/analysis/perspective/fish.
the reviews are very interesting whether i wear my "consumer/non-techie/idiot hat" or my "EE/uber-nerd hat".
I will be re-reading!

i ordered the vrx about 3 weeks ago, after randomly finding it on amazon. i've been unavailable to try it until this week, and plan to hook it up to an ancient CRT or 22" LED-lit LCD screen in a bedroom soon.

previously i owned phd-101, but it self-destructed after being powered on for years.
it did function adequately for years before bricking and was relatively-low-cost compared to the earliest HD-DVRs (zenith HDR230 was $1000!)...
So i thought VRX was 'the right price' and from a vendor who had previously demonstrated solid early-adopter competence if not finesse. So I ordered it without doing any research.
i didn't know about $30 coupon, and had only suspected it might not have a hard drive based on no mention of 'records N hours of blah-tv'.

for starters i'm mostly interested in it as a QAM-tuner, possibly even for baseband-video output onto a 1992 20" mitsu CRT that is apparently indestructible.

i will hook up a hard drive at some point after some kind of format-fest/connector-fest /enclosure-fest, after i determine out the bottom-line/simplest/easiest/least-hassle way to do that, deciding between the internal vs external approach,
possibly leveraging a spare esata-3 drive here currently residing in a PC with unreliable motherboard or cpu,
currently formatted by a recent Centos default format, can't remember which.

fwiw, i already have other HDTVs setup with a 2-tuner moxi and a CM-7000 for use with my amped YAGI in the attic. Moxi is my favorite HD-DVR by far and I expect it will remain so after trying the VRX.

btw, on the VRX, the plastic film over the case is probably there just for shipment - i think it is supposed to be peeled off. maybe that is obvious, but i am mentioning it since someone (hdtv1080p24 i think) had not liked it.

cheers...
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Ok, here goes, kid gloves off. I kinda lost count on how many versions of this I have sent in the past three months, but with the additional points that HDTV1080P24 brought to light, here it is.
In order of what I consider important (which leaves myself open, but will welcome disagreement);

I have no disagreement. You have done a great job. It's just another product that seems to have never been used in a "real life" situation OR there is a place where the issues you have raised are considered "normal".

A 20 second skip time default? Where are commercials 20 seconds as a default? That "skip" button is going to become very important during the next four months.
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A 20 second skip time default?
There was no skip at all until I pushed for it. Just as that "rec1" etc. display didn't exist. I had no idea which tuner was recording without digging into the menus for it.
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there is a place where the issues you have raised are considered "normal".
More like of no issue. mad.gif

"Video" in Media Player use to be called "Movies". I asked for "Recordings", but they thought "Video" was Ok (maybe due to length of the word "Recordings". If you look close at the background while in the Media Player 'list' you will see "Movie" scattered around the background. wink.gif
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How does the VRX react when holding the 20 sec. skip button down for a prolonged amount of time instead of pushing it momentarily "X" number of times?
Does it show a sequential frame of each 20 second interval repeatedly until you release the skip button?
How long between each frame?
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Since I don't have mine back yet, it was mentioned about holding it down to continuously jump forward which would be an improvement, but not optimum.
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Since I don't have mine back yet, it was mentioned about holding it down to continuously jump forward which would be an improvement, but not optimum.

I wasn't going to off-track, but my Tivo Premiere doesn't have a skip button either. I miss it. The DHG, as you know, is programmable. The FF on a Tivo when hit twice runs at about 4x, but when you hit play it backs up about 15 seconds. The replay on the DHG is programmable too. I prefer the DHG over the Tivo in many respects even though they are very similar.
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but my Tivo Premiere doesn't have a skip button either.
I find that really hard to believe. It's like having a car with no accelerator pedal. confused.gif
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I wasn't going to off-track, but my Tivo Premiere doesn't have a skip button either. I miss it. The DHG, as you know, is programmable. The FF on a Tivo when hit twice runs at about 4x, but when you hit play it backs up about 15 seconds. The replay on the DHG is programmable too. I prefer the DHG over the Tivo in many respects even though they are very similar.

The TiVo does. It skips forward 30 seconds. Unlike the DHG however, you can't change the skip time. The "skip back" button on the TiVo goes back 8 seconds . . .

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Also, during the FastFwd and FastRwd operations, pressing the SkipFwd and SkipBack buttons causes the TiVo to jump forward or back in 15 minute increments.

Edited by WS65711 - 6/25/12 at 9:37am
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Learn something new everyday.
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Only eight seconds back?? Such a odd number. confused.gif
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Only eight seconds back?? Such a odd number. confused.gif

My DHG is set for 15, usually too long. Setting for 5 is usually too short. Years of testing I guess, Networks seem to try hard to mess with their times.
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I had my DHG's set for 5 seconds back, and (I think) 28 seconds forward. I find with the TiVo that the 8-back and 30-fwd settings work out ok, for me at least. For network stuff, generally 4, 5, or 6 presses forward. Sometimes a press of two back . . .
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Videobruce thanks for the post and I agree with most of what you said. I have not had the time to connect a USB device yet to record. I have a high-end flash drive that has 30-35Mbps read and write speeds but I plan on instead using a hard drive since the data storage capacity is more.

One thing that should be pointed out is that I and some other consumers would rather purchase a high-end TIVO for $800-$1,000 which includes a lifetime subscription instead of paying $49.99 a year for a Premium 14 day Program Guide on the Channel Master CM7400 or possible in the future the EpVision PHD-VRX.

The TIVO becomes subscription free for life at the $800-$1,000 price level depending on which box one purchases. Then the TIVO can receive the ATSC programming guide for life of the product. Only if one plans on using the TIVO with cable TV is when the program guide will not work without an additional fee. The TIVO program guide even after its lifetime subscription purchase will not work with clear QAM (no CableCard). The TIVO requires a CableCard rental to map the channels in order for the program guide to work. So consumers still have to pay around $47.88 a year (around $3.99 per month) for a CableCard rental from their local cable company. Some cable companies charge more or less than $3.99 a month for CableCard rentals.

So my point is with cable TV service it does not matter what box one owns, if they want a premium program guide on the TIVO or Channel Master CM7400 they are going to need to pay around $50.00 a year. So if I am going to pay $50 a year I personally would go with the TIVO plus I would pick up many more cable channels with the TIVO.

What I am trying to say is that Channel Master, Epvision, and others that make settop boxes with QAM tuners need to in the future make a CableCard slot.

A family member of mine owns the Ceton Infiniti TV card for their PC and it works great. It costs only $199 at Amazon with free shipping and it will record 4 cable channels at once. It requires a CableCard rental of $3.99 a month but the detailed program guide in Windows Media player is completely free. I know people that have a dedicated 3TB internal hard drive in their PC and with a subscription to cable premium channels they are able to record 4 HD movie channels at once on the DVR and playback a previous HD recording at the same time. Also the software appears to have a option to burn the program onto a Blu-ray or DVD but I have not tested that feature to see how well it works. Any PC on the home network can access this 4 tuner QAM PC card. My point is the CableCard feature makes it easier for companies to offer a free Premium program guide. There is no program guide subscriptions at all with the Ceton Infiniti TV product.

I would rather own a product that offers a CableCard feature before I start paying around $50 a year for the premium program guide feature.
Edited by HDTV1080P24 - 6/25/12 at 3:47pm
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Only if one plans on using the TIVO with cable TV is when the program guide will not work without an additional fee.
But all you are talking about is a CC fee which you would have to rent anyway, Guide or no Guide.
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What I am trying to say is that Channel Master, Epvision, and others that make settop boxes with QAM tuners need to in the future make a CableCard slot.
No argument here, but that would raise the price and make those out of reach of many.
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I know people that have a dedicated 3TB internal hard drive in their PC and with a subscription to cable premium channels they are able to record 4 HD movie channels at once on the DVR and playback a previous HD recording at the same time.
1. Much more money,
2. Power hog; 100 watts or more 24/7 if they run it that way which I assume one would have to. 3-4x what a DVR would consume. mad.gif
No thanks on that one.

I stated the lack of a CC slot to them probably two years ago making the QAM tuner mostly useless. 90% of those CATV offerings are available OTA for free (with a proper antenna), so what real good is having only a QAM tuner (and no NTSC) other than for someone that can't or doesn't want to erect a proper antenna?
Edited by videobruce - 6/25/12 at 8:47pm
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It's a shame Allen and ePVision aren't more responsive, considering how many improvements you've suggested (repeatedly), videobruce. One thing occurs to me regarding suggestion 18:
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18. Shorten the manual recording file name by removing the seconds and changing the year to two digits. Use two digits for the month and day as follows: 05-09-12 separated by dash.

Assuming the VRX sorts its recordings alphabetically, naming the files in descending YY-MM-DD would work better for people who record multiple shows (or entire seasons) before watching. Using MM-DD-YY format would cause the second half of a season (that starts in January) to be listed before the beginning of the season (starting in ~September), since 01 preceeds 09. Sorting the recordings by time or naming them in YY-MM-DD format would keep all the files in order, so if a new firmware does change the naming scheme, ePVision might want to take that into consideration.
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Only eight seconds back?? Such a odd number. confused.gif

If you skip ahead 30 seconds and decide you've gone too far, four 8-second skips back puts you back where you were (more or less). The extra half-second per skip back compensates for the fact that the video is still playing.
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