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post #1591 of 2203
Thread Starter 
Back OT, nothing has been posted. I don't know until I or someone else sees the new firmware posted on either their main site, or their FTP site. The last was two months ago.
We are still waiting for the pay guide option which hopefully will include a unified guide instead of two separate ones among all the other issues, many which could be simply changed in the menu. rolleyes.gif

(At least, it's "half baked" as opposed to not baked at all as it was 14 months ago.)
post #1592 of 2203
Quotes from article "Spectrum repack may leave rural TV viewers in the dark":

“The FCC’s spectrum repack currently makes no provision for TV translators and low-power television stations, threatening the way rural TV viewers receive their OTA signal.”

““We believe that under the best of circumstances, some service is going to be lost, and if it isn’t the best of circumstances, quite a lot of service will be lost in rural areas,” he says.”

http://broadcastengineering.com/towersantenna/spectrum-repack-may-leave-rural-tv-viewers-dark
post #1593 of 2203
I hate to make my first post a rant, but oh well. I read the first couple of pages of this thread and skimmed through some more, so I thought I knew what I was getting into, but OH MY GOD!!! I received my "DVR" (and I use that term loosely) at 2:00pm Wednesday and by 2:00am Thursday I was requesting an RMA. I have never in my life seen an electronic device so poorly designed. The negative posts in this thread don't nearly do justice to what a POS this is. It is practically unusable as a DVR as it has none of the properties of what you'd expect from 21st century recording device. It can barely compete with a 1980's vintage VCR. But that's not the real problem. After owning this piece of crap for 24 hours, it won't even boot anymore (I requested the RMA before this problem cropped up). If you're reading this thread wondering if you should pull the trigger and buy one, I implore you, DON'T! Here's a couple of reasons off the top of my head:
  1. Can't timeshift on both tuners at the same time (and don't even get me started on why you need to tell the thing to timeshift in the first place).
  2. Once you start timeshifting, switching tuners or switching to another channel will lose anything you've started to timeshift without warning.
  3. Can't watch a recording while it is in progress.
  4. No resume feature on recordings.
  5. Can't schedule a new recording while a recording is in progress. You get some stupid message that the timer is being used, so stop the recording if you want to schedule a new recording. Huh?
  6. The worst UI I've ever seen for anything.
  7. Bugs, bugs, bugs.

I could go on and on, but what's the point? This thing has been out for a year and it's pathetic. They've proven that their "engineers" (and again, I use that term loosely) are incompetent. I sincerely doubt anyone that's involved in the design of this thing possesses an engineering degree from an accredited university. If they do, they should have that degree revoked. The only way I see that they can possibly save this thing is to release the firmware as open source. Maybe then people with more than double digit IQs could make this thing usable.

-JT
post #1594 of 2203
1} I do not know of any DVR that has two time shifts
2) When I had U-verse if change channel it too would lost time shift
3) You can play back a recording while recording it does take to do this
4) You may need to do a update for resume
5) I am hope this scheduling while recording on next update
For the price it is a good 2 tuner DVR I use mine every day with NO bugs
If you need more get a computer with a tuner card this will do ever thing you what.

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Originally Posted by renojim View Post

  1. Can't timeshift on both tuners at the same time (and don't even get me started on why you need to tell the thing to timeshift in the first place).
  2. Once you start timeshifting, switching tuners or switching to another channel will lose anything you've started to timeshift without warning.
  3. Can't watch a recording while it is in progress.
  4. No resume feature on recordings.
  5. Can't schedule a new recording while a recording is in progress. You get some stupid message that the timer is being used, so stop the recording if you want to schedule a new recording. Huh?
  6. The worst UI I've ever seen for anything.
  7. Bugs, bugs, bugs.
-JT
post #1595 of 2203
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Originally Posted by Smithdoor View Post

1} I do not know of any DVR that has two time shifts
My 10 year old Tivo has two time shifts and I've seen others from AT&T's Uverse and Verizon's FiOS that allowed switching back and forth between two shows. I'm sure there are others, if not every other DVR.
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2) When I had U-verse if change channel it too would lost time shift
It also loses the timeshift if you change the channel, but I've always considered that nonsense and is easily overcome using an external tuner
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3) You can play back a recording while recording it does take to do this
You can't play back THE RECORDING IN PROGRESS. I've never seen a DVR with this limitation.
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4) You may need to do a update for resume
I'm downloading firmware now. What's a resume?
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5) I am hope this scheduling while recording on next update
They've had a year, how much time do think is reasonable to get this thing to basic functionality?
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For the price it is a good 2 tuner DVR I use mine every day with NO bugs
I couldn't disagree more strongly.
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If you need more get a computer with a tuner card this will do ever thing you what.
I'm coming to that realization since I refuse to give Tivo any money (the three I'm using now are SD and have been hacked to be used without any program guides, but they're infinitely better than this POS).

-JT
post #1596 of 2203
Thread Starter 
Gee, I thought I was bad. Hey Allan, you have another fan. biggrin.gif
post #1597 of 2203
Renojim,

All very good points. Unfortunately if you want a DVR for OTA there is not much out there that works well now that the DTVPAL is not being sold anymore. If you want a DVR for cable stick with TIVO.

It would appear most of the makers of DVRs simply sell them without much consumer testing and input so they have lots of issues. In the world of business you would think market research and testing is done before a product rollout. Well it would appear that the people who are rolling out these products are not familiar with American business practices. Market research and testing are NOT in their vocabulary. If they are reading this thread they can PM me and I won't charge them for the education I will give them.
post #1598 of 2203
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Gee, I thought I was bad. Hey Allan, you have another fan. biggrin.gif

You are bad. You are too kind to Allen and gave this PHD-VRX too high a rating. You need to shave off 5 stars.smile.gif

Then you will truly be in his doghouse!

That being said, even with its quirks it does record as long as you are mindful of it's issues. So it is better than nothing.....just barely.
post #1599 of 2203
Renojim's first two issues aren't specific to the PHD-VRX. TiVo is the only OTA DVR I'm aware of that will buffer a channel you're not watching, so that you can time-shift multiple channels. Even Windows Media Center (on a PC) doesn't do that. This feature might even be covered by one of TiVo's patents, I don't know. (Of course I'm not aware of everything so there may be something else somewhere that will time-shift multiple channels. Feel free to enlighten us if anyone knows of one. smile.gif )

That said, I've never missed having that feature. I suppose if you have a TiVo and get used to it, losing it with another DVR could take some readjustment. But if you're switching from a feature-rich TiVo, that's probably inevitable no matter what you switch to. (I'm no TiVo fan but I must concede it has a lot of features.)

If you can't live without 2-channel time-shifting, some DVRs may have a workaround: start recording one channel, switch to the other, start recording it as well, then bounce between the two recordings. I guess that won't work on the PHD-VRX due to Renojim's third issue (WMC has the same drawback, BTW), but it'll probably work on any DVR where you can start watching a recording before it's done. Sure, it's more cumbersome than just hitting the Recall button on the remote, but it gets the job done.
post #1600 of 2203
The PHD VRX is for saving money. If you need more out of a DVR go to TiVo, Comcast, Uverse and Verizon's or even Dish and spend $1,400 a year
The PHD VRX is a very good upgrade from a VCR
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Originally Posted by renojim View Post

My 10 year old Tivo has two time shifts and I've seen others from AT&T's Uverse and Verizon's FiOS that allowed switching back and forth between two shows. I'm sure there are others, if not every other DVR.
It also loses the timeshift if you change the channel, but I've always considered that nonsense and is easily overcome using an external tuner
You can't play back THE RECORDING IN PROGRESS. I've never seen a DVR with this limitation.
I'm downloading firmware now. What's a resume?
They've had a year, how much time do think is reasonable to get this thing to basic functionality?
I couldn't disagree more strongly.
I'm coming to that realization since I refuse to give Tivo any money (the three I'm using now are SD and have been hacked to be used without any program guides, but they're infinitely better than this POS).

-JT
post #1601 of 2203
I think TiVo with a lifetime subscription is around $550. (Of course that doesn't include cable or satellite service, but that's not included with any DVR.) The PHD-VRX costs $230 plus the HDD, for a total of around $300 depending on the HDD's size. So TiVo owners pay about $250 more - not counting the creep factor of how it spies on exactly what you watch, when, and for how long. (I wouldn't be surprised if it were revealed that TiVo is part of an NSA program wink.gif ) Even if you went with, say, an Entone (a more expensive DVR with more features), you're still saving nearly $200 compared to TiVo. TiVo's features are nice but they don't come cheap.

Where TiVo gets people hooked is by offering the box at a loss - they see a $100 or so price tag and think they're getting a bargain - then making it up through their mandatory subscription. Of course you could buy any other DVR on credit, pay it off at a $10/month rate, and be ahead after a few years, but folks don't think about that.
post #1602 of 2203
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Can't timeshift on both tuners at the same time (and don't even get me started on why you need to tell the thing to timeshift in the first place).
You can record on both tuners at the same time. Why on earth would you want to "timeshift" on both? confused.gif
Not everyone has a use for timeshifting. I really haven't since 1978 (even though it wasn't possible at the time). Endlessly recording 24/7 when no one is watching? Utterly ridiculous AFAIC.
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No resume feature on recordings.
1. Go back a few pages to the 2nd last update and read what that corrected, or better yet d/l the pdf on what was changed from their site.
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The worst UI I've ever seen for anything.
Guess you never used TiVo. rolleyes.gif
post #1603 of 2203
I've never really figured out the dual time-shifting thing. I've heard sports fans with TiVos use it to watch two games at once. (They watch until a commercial, then switch to the game on the other channel. The second time that happens they switch back, then skip through the commercial that made them switch in the first place.) To me, though, it seems more logical and less confusing to just watch one game while recording the other.
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

You can record on both tuners at the same time. Why on earth would you want to "timeshift" on both? confused.gif
It's something I do all the time. For example, I watch two football games at the same time in practically real time by bouncing between them. I don't really want a permanent recording of a game and don't need the hassle of setting up and deleting recordings. Not to mention, being able to record two things simultaneously loses much of its value if you can't watch either recording until they're finished. I don't want to wait until the end of a game before I start watching it.
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Not everyone has a use for timeshifting. I really haven't since 1978 (even though it wasn't possible at the time).
You've never wanted to pause a live show or backup a few seconds because you missed something? I find that hard to believe unless you setup a recording for everything you watch.
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Endlessly recording 24/7 when no one is watching? Utterly ridiculous AFAIC.
Couldn't agree more. Isn't that the point of standby (unless you're the Tivo designers who think the thing should always record)?
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1. Go back a few pages to the 2nd last update and read what that corrected, or better yet d/l the pdf on what was changed from their site.
Did that before the purchase. Like I said, I thought I knew what I was getting into, but boy was I wrong!
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Guess you never used TiVo. rolleyes.gif
You lost me here?

-JT
post #1605 of 2203
Thread Starter 
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You are too kind to Allen and gave this PHD-VRX too high a rating. You need to shave off 5 stars.
Then it would be -2 stars. Now that I know TiVo (unfortunately), this surely isn't that much worse. At least there are updates.
post #1606 of 2203
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

I've never really figured out the dual time-shifting thing. I've heard sports fans with TiVos use it to watch two games at once. (They watch until a commercial, then switch to the game on the other channel. The second time that happens they switch back, then skip through the commercial that made them switch in the first place.) To me, though, it seems more logical and less confusing to just watch one game while recording the other.
You posted while I was writing mine. That's exactly what I do. It 's a tremendous time saver to be able to watch two games at once and recording a game and watching it later runs the risk of hearing/seeing spoilers. I do the same thing for the local news every night, watching two channels simultaneously and still being finished close to the end of either one.

-JT
post #1607 of 2203
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Originally Posted by LenL View Post

All very good points. Unfortunately if you want a DVR for OTA there is not much out there that works well now that the DTVPAL is not being sold anymore. If you want a DVR for cable stick with TIVO.
I was surprised when I started looking for an HD-DVR that there's practically nothing available. I refuse to pay for a subscription and since I believe that Tivo's lawyers are the reason there's practically nothing available, I don't want to support them at all (the three I have were a hand-me-down or bought on the cheap). I wouldn't be looking for a DVR at all if I didn't pick up a free HDTV. The SD Tivo I've been moderately happy with for years (believe me, it has its own set of problems) just doesn't look so good on an HDTV.

I now have the choice of sticking with this one and hoping it improves, a fool's bet, or building my own. At least I was able to get it to boot by reflashing the firmware. Is this something I can expect on a daily basis?

-JT
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I believe that Tivo's lawyers are the reason there's practically nothing available, I don't want to support them at all
I have been saying that for some time now. Thats' why I bought used, they aren't a penny richer. wink.gif

If they could only integrate the tuners & guides together as one (the way it should be), that would be a huge plus. The clean up the menu including renaming the incorrect and/or misleading terms used. rolleyes.gif
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Renojim, now that you mentioned the spoilers thing, it makes sense to me. While watching one game, they do announce scores of other games, so if you watch one game and record another, you may know the outcome before the first game is done and you can watch the second. Unfortunately, a TiVo or cable/satellite-provided DVR are the only options I know of that can do this, short of recording both games.
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... the hassle of setting up and deleting recordings.

You lost me there. I realize the PHD-VRX isn't much help for what you want to do (since it doesn't let you start watching until a recording is done), but I don't need to "set up" a recording in advance on my trusty old DTVPal (I'm assuming it's typical) - I just hit the "record" button. And as soon as I'm done watching, I'm prompted to exit, delete, or watch again. Switching between two active recordings would be a hassle, but starting or deleting them is no hassle at all.
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... building my own.

That's what I did: built a PC with Win 7 and WMC. Even got in just under the wire on the Win 8 Pro and WMC upgrades, although I'm still using Win 7 (I have the HDD with Win 8 set aside for now).

But even that option is getting harder. Win 7 is getting harder to find, and most PCs aren't sold with Win 8 Pro, which you need for the WMC upgrade.
Edited by JHBrandt - 6/14/13 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

That's why I bought used, they aren't a penny richer. wink.gif

Good idea: if you buy a used TiVo with lifetime, TiVo won't make anything off the transaction.

Except you're still supporting the TiVo's resale value, which makes it more likely that others will buy TiVos; and TiVo still makes money from selling your TV-watching info to advertisers. There's never a perfect solution.
post #1611 of 2203
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Except you're still supporting the TiVo's resale value,
Really know how to hurt a guy. frown.gif
If it wasn't me, it would be someone else.

As much as I don't like those silly & confusing Icons, this menu if far better that TiVo's grade school level mentality for a GUI.
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Originally Posted by JHBrandt View Post

You lost me there. I realize the PHD-VRX isn't much help for what you want to do (since it doesn't let you start watching until a recording is done), but I don't need to "set up" a recording in advance on my trusty old DTVPal (I'm assuming it's typical) - I just hit the "record" button. And as soon as I'm done watching, I'm prompted to exit, delete, or watch again. Switching between two active recordings would be a hassle, but starting or deleting them is no hassle at all
I suppose since I've been using a Tivo without a guide for so long I forgot or didn't realize most (all?) DVRs allow you to press record to record the current program. I'm used to just setting up everything manually.
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That's what I did: built a PC with Win 7 and WMC. Even got in just under the wire on the Win 8 Pro and WMC upgrades, although I'm still using Win 7 (I have the HDD with Win 8 set aside for now).
How satisfied are you with that setup and, knowing what you know of my wishes/desires, how satisfied do you think I'd be? My fear is that I'd have to create a lot of software to accomplish everything I want.

-JT
post #1613 of 2203
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Originally Posted by renojim View Post

You've never wanted to pause a live show or backup a few seconds because you missed something? I find that hard to believe unless you setup a recording for everything you watch.

I think you'll find most of the people in this forum section are probably in the latter category. We have no need to watch anything live anymore.
post #1614 of 2203
It's really not bad for a DVR. Setting it up initially can be a hassle, but it only has to be done once. There's a thread here where the OP explains how he moved from TiVo to WMC.

He's pretty happy with the setup. For you, I suspect the big problem would be time-shifting. WMC only buffers one channel, so you'd have to record games to bounce back and forth like you're used to - and you can start watching a recording before it's finished, but you can't watch the whole recording at once: it stops as soon as you get to the place it was at when you started watching and you have to reselect the recording and resume watching. Also, if you decide to record a show you're watching, WMC doesn't have any way to include the time-shifting buffer in the recording.

But WMC also has some advantages over TiVo which may offset those drawbacks. If you already have a PC you can spare, it's probably worth setting up a tuner and WMC just to try it out.
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Thanks for your insight. I'll check out that thread and maybe even try out WMC.

-JT
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I give up. I stand behind everything I said in my original rant except that I'll stop calling it a POS and change to FPOS! I've had it less than a week and this is the second time I've had to reflash it. Unbelievable! And it's oh so much fun to set this FPOS up. I find it hard to believe that anyone can possibly get any use out of this FPOS! Of the dozen or so recordings I've tried I'd say half of them had a problem of some sort. There's nothing like a DVR you can't count on to actually record. It is by far the worst piece of electronics I've ever seen. I got my RMA and it's going back on Monday. I guess I'm just going to have to build my own DVR. To anyone that keeps this, or worse buys one, I wish you good luck. You'll need it.

-JT
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You are looking for something that not made at low price If you need more get a computer with a tuner card this will do ever thing you what. The PHD VRX is for saving money. If you need more out of a DVR go to TiVo, Comcast, Uverse and Verizon's or even Dish and spend $1,400 a year
The PHD VRX is a very good upgrade from a VCR
I did say this 3 days ago my point is only on save money
Good luck on building your DVR
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I give up. I stand behind everything I said in my original rant except that I'll stop calling it a POS and change to FPOS! I've had it less than a week and this is the second time I've had to reflash it. Unbelievable! And it's oh so much fun to set this FPOS up. I find it hard to believe that anyone can possibly get any use out of this FPOS! Of the dozen or so recordings I've tried I'd say half of them had a problem of some sort. There's nothing like a DVR you can't count on to actually record. It is by far the worst piece of electronics I've ever seen. I got my RMA and it's going back on Monday. I guess I'm just going to have to build my own DVR. To anyone that keeps this, or worse buys one, I wish you good luck. You'll need it.

-JT
post #1618 of 2203
Thread Starter 
1. There is no reason to re-flash it again unless the firmware was corrupted, you did something wrong or there is a problem with the box itself.
2. Setting it up again is far easier than a TiVo by a mile. If you know your physical channel numbers, entering in just what you want in the long run is quicker and less hassle. The only annoying thing is the manual search function keeps closing after most channels are recognized causing you to reenter that menu.
3. All DVR's have problems including TiVo.
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

1. There is no reason to re-flash it again unless the firmware was corrupted, you did something wrong or there is a problem with the box itself.
I didn't know what else to do. It locked up (more than once) where pushing any button on the remote or front panel other than Standby wouldn't do anything. Pressing Standby worked, but then it wouldn't boot (even with the hard drive disconnected). What else was there to try?
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2. Setting it up again is far easier than a TiVo by a mile.
Coudn't agree more. I'd rather install Windows on a hundred PCs than go through another Tivo set up.
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If you know your physical channel numbers, entering in just what you want in the long run is quicker and less hassle. The only annoying thing is the manual search function keeps closing after most channels are recognized causing you to reenter that menu.
It wasn't so much the channel scanning as the constant screwing with the picture adjustments. I couldn't tell you how many times I had to make adjustments because every time I started playback of a recording the settings didn't stick. I saw a mention of the issue somewhere in this thread.
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3. All DVR's have problems including TiVo.
I no fan of Tivo, but it did work a lot better than this. It's possible I got a lemon, but I doubt I would have been happy with it even without the problems I had.

I'll leave on a positive note. Before I sent it back I stumbled upon a useful feature that I don't recall seeing mentioned in this thread. You can playback a manual recording while the recording is in progress since they show up in "Videos", not "Recordings", as soon as the recording begins. The progress bar will be screwed up since the end time isn't updated as the recording proceeds, but you can playback the entire recording.

-JT
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I'd rather install Windows on a hundred PCs than go through another Tivo set up
LMAOROTH. Utterly love that. Couldn't of put it better.

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It wasn't so much the channel scanning as the constant screwing with the picture adjustments. I couldn't tell you how many times I had to make adjustments because every time I started playback of a recording the settings didn't stick.
IIRC, two FW versions ago, I thought that problem was solved by the addition of the "Video" folder in Media Player. confused.gif The other solution is just to 'nudge' any setting that was changed (which should only be contrast, brightness & color).

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I no fan of Tivo, but it did work a lot better than this.
Considering they have been around for 15 or so years, I would like to think so. rolleyes.gif (Except their GUI). Then their is their Gestopohold on their questionable rights to everyones else's patents. mad.gif

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You can playback a manual recording while the recording is in progress since they show up in "Videos", not "Recordings", as soon as the recording begins.
Don't recall this being mentioned before. I haven't used this for some time, still waiting for a unified guide and the optional 'pay' option that has been coming for almost 1 1/2 years. rolleyes.gif

Even the Sony's I had locked up when you sent too many commands in a short period of time. Is there any pattern to when they happen?
have you tried this in another room?
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