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post #1741 of 2203
If anyone can tell me, I have a dish311 receiver(not HD). It offers 3 modes of video output S-Video, Composite Video and RF Modulation. Will the PHD-VRX be able to record from my satellite video using the dish311 RF Modulated Output, which outputs satellite source on channel 3 or 4 via antenna cable with F connectors, on the RF1 input of the PHD-VRX?

Thank you for any information.
post #1742 of 2203
Thread Starter 
Have you read the 1st 10 posts, especially post 6?
post #1743 of 2203
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Have you read the 1st 10 posts, especially post 6?

Yes...I spent hours on this thread, but I was unsure if it would record or not from RF1 because it records tv from those inputs. I am aware it does not record from the inputs other than RF1 and RF2.

Thank you for your reply
post #1744 of 2203
As luck would have it, we recently discussed this. Unfortunately, the PHD-VRX will not record S-video, composite, or analog RF (the outputs of your Dish SD receiver), as it lacks an MPEG-2 encoder.

You can use the PHD-VRX to switch viewing between satellite and OTA (or unscrambled cable), but you'll only be able to record digital OTA (or cable) channels, nothing from your satellite receiver.

And unfortunately, there aren't a ton of alternatives. You might check videobruce's comparison chart. A couple of DVRs over there will record analog (the Digital Stream IIRC, and of course TiVo, although I don't know how a TiVo will behave with a channel 3 or 4 that's not in its program guide).

Since your Dish receiver is SD, you might also consider a Magnavox HDD/DVD recorder. It only records in SD though, so you may still want a PHD-VRX or other recorder to make HD recordings.
post #1745 of 2203
Thank you for the informative information JHB. Yes, I am aware of that Magnavox and most likely will get one soon even though its only SD.

I apprciate it sir and best of luck to you.
post #1746 of 2203
Guys,
It says in the manual that composite video is output simultaneously with HDMI, but it fails to mention that the OSD will only show on HDMI. This means I can't set recordings without having my projector running which kinda defeats the purpose of setting recordings.
Edit: ok I found this mentioned on the first page. I should have paid better attention.

Another problem is that the audio lip sync is off on the HDMI audio which it shouldn't be with 1.3 or later protocol. It's even worse when using the optical out which I'm forced to do in order to hear 5.1. Is there any workaround for this or should it sell it and rent another Comcast box? Thanks.
Edit: seems to happen more on some OTA channels than others. I'm also getting dropouts on some channels and I don't think it is the time shift causing it.
Edited by Carey P - 9/24/13 at 10:17pm
post #1747 of 2203
Thread Starter 
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It says in the manual that composite video is output simultaneously with HDMI, but it fails to mention that the OSD will only show on HDMI.
It does state this in the manual and in the 1st 10 posts. It was meant to be a source for a VCR.
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I'm also getting dropouts on some channels and I don't think it is the time shift causing it.
Does it happen while watching direct (live)?
What are you using for recording? if it is a USB stick, that probably is your problem.
How is it formatted?

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Edited by videobruce - 9/25/13 at 3:32am
post #1748 of 2203
Thread Starter 
On a separate subject, one of my complaints (towards the top of the list) regarding these PSIP Guides on any of these tuners/TV's and/or DVR's is the lack of the ability to save listings when leaving a station and returning. Upon have to wait for the list to get populate again.
Very annoying and unnecessary.

Since it's apparently obvious that a pay guide isn't going to happen with this, this is even more important here and would partially make up for that. IOW's a selling point!

I stumbled across this situation on my seven year old Mits DLP T V that originally had a TVGOS Guide option if you enabled it. Of course that isn't any good anymore, but it has a conventional PSIP Guide that I never used. Troubleshooting a unrelated problem, I discovered this seven year old set has this ability to remember listings on any station the tuner has 'seen'. The listings are only program titles, no descriptions.

With the cost of memory then and now, one would think that would surely not be any issue. After all, it's just text data, not images or anything that takes up great space. Below are two examples. Neither station shown is the station the tuner is parked on, only ones the tuner has 'seen'. Listings are limited to 14 entries. The shots on the right are the programs listed for the station highlight in the left pane. (The first two channels, have not been tuned, so no listings)

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Edited by videobruce - 10/5/13 at 4:37pm
post #1749 of 2203
UP Date new PHD VRX2
http://www.epvision.com/HDTVSTB/Documents/PHD-VRX2/PHD_VRX2_8VX_compare.pdf
you need to look at the change at bottom of page to it

Dave
post #1750 of 2203
Thread Starter 
I would say these are firmware changes.
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Individual Standby, Recording and Operation indications
Digital Audio (S/PDIF) pass-through from HDMI

They still refuse to re-enable 480p out like the original couple of FW versions had. Also looks like their 'pay' guide is dead. mad.gif
What did he tell you about firmware for this version? I assume it can be loaded to the original VRX? There is a link for it, but it isn't posted yet.

BTW, the user guide is the same for both versions. It was never updates with all the changes from last summer.

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Edited by videobruce - 10/16/13 at 3:53pm
post #1751 of 2203
They are still coming with updates to the old PHD VRX but do not us the update from the new for the old one
No one has tested and they are come soon with a update for old DVR
Did not talk about the pay guide I use the free one works great for wife and me

Dave
post #1752 of 2203
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Originally Posted by Smithdoor View Post

They are still coming with updates to the old PHD VRX but do not us the update from the new for the old one
No one has tested and they are come soon with a update for old DVR

In my sense, no one has tested the old firmware with the old PHD VRX either!
post #1753 of 2203
New Version perhaps a ploy to confuse customers about negative feedback when they do searches on “new” model…

My unit is so unusable that all it is good for is an OTA digital decoder for my old Sonny 34” CRT HDTV, an even at that it has days it does not feel like working and Remote stopped working… so almost useless, but the one good thing it has done, is to cut way back on my TV watching, spending more time with my 2Yold :0)
post #1754 of 2203
Thread Starter 
Out of curiosity, what is or isn't it doing?
post #1755 of 2203
This is excellent news that EpVision has came out with the PHD-VRX2 which is a replacement to the original PHD-VRX. This means EpVision is the only company in 2013 that is making an external tuner with 2 RF inputs which is a nice feature for those that have Verizon FIOS clear QAM and ATSC broadcast (4 channel map memories is awesome also).

The only hardware differences between the PHD-VRX2 and PHD-VRX is that the PHD-VRX2 cosmetically looks different and has individual standby, recording, and operation indicators (Which is a minor change). The big advantage of the PHD-VRX2 is that it has updated HDMI hardware that allows it to bitstream 1.0-5.1 Dolby Digital from the HDMI output interface. This is the very first EpVision tuner that allows bitstreaming audio over HDMI. Most likely there will be a menu selection in the PHD-VRX2 to output 2.0 PCM over HDMI and a option to output Dolby Digital native bitstream.

This means consumers who purchase the PHD-VRX2 will no longer have low audio problems since most modern HDTV’s will accept a bitstream Dolby Digital input over HDMI. Consumers will just need to use the volume control on their TV to control the volume when bitstreaming Dolby Digital. This also means consumers no longer need to run both HDMI and optical to their A/V receiver. Many people today use A/V receivers as a HDMI switching device that is connected directly to their display.
The old PHD-VRX must have a hardware limitation that only allows 2.0 PCM over HDMI. Many HDTV chipsets have a 2.0 PCM limitation and since the original PHD-VRX was designed around TV electronics this would explain why it cannot bitstream over HDMI.

So consumers will either have separate firmware releases for the PHD-VRX and PHD-VRX2 or as one person already mentioned the firmware releases will be the same. However if the firmware releases are the same, the option to change HDMI 2.0 PCM audio to Dolby Digital will not exist in the menu for the old PHD-VRX since according to the EpVision documentation the HDMI bitstreaming option is an exclusive feature only found on the PHD-VRX2(It must be a hardware limitation in the PHD-VRX). So it appears the main reason the PHD-VRX2 was released was to overcome the hardware limitation that prevented it from bitstreaming over HDMI. There must have been many people complaining about low volume over HDMI and no Dolby Digital bitstream option, to justify an entire new model that fixes those issues. That was one of my biggest complaints that I had to run both HDMI and optical to my Pioneer A/V receiver.

Tonight I placed an order for the PHD-VRX2 since I would like to free up one of the optical input jacks on my A/V receiver and also free up an optical cable that will no longer be required. For most people there will not be a big enough of a difference between the PHD-VRX2 and the PHD-VRX to justify an upgrade.

Is someone going to start a PHD-VRX2 user thread or will people just use this thread since the units are so similar?

PHD-VRX2_QuickStartGuide3.pdf

PHD_VRX2_8VX_compare.pdf
Edited by HDTV1080P24 - 10/23/13 at 11:12pm
post #1756 of 2203
Thread Starter 
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Is someone going to start a PHD-VRX2 user thread or will people just use this thread since the units are so similar?
One very minor and one semi medium change shouldn't require a new thread since it still the same SoC.

This 'change' with indications of status was not necessary since information was available as it is unlike the first release 18 months ago where one didn't know which tuner was in use for recording. The replacement chip for the audio is actually the only real change.
post #1757 of 2203
Before jumping and putting an order for the new release I would take a big I mean a very big breath and wait what at least 5 people say about it. I have been burnt beyond repair by this Co. I am currently considering the new UpnP DLNA HDHomerun duo and plug it directly to my Oppo 105 and never come back to EP.
Edited by james57 - 10/25/13 at 7:19am
post #1758 of 2203
The PHD VRX has work very well for wife and me. Works great for replace cable. Now save us over $1,200.00 a year on cable I also have Nettake saves over 400.00 in phone bill a year

Dave
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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P24 View Post

This is excellent news that EpVision has came out with the PHD-VRX2 which is a replacement to the original PHD-VRX. This means EpVision is the only company in 2013 that is making an external tuner with 2 RF inputs which is a nice feature for those that have Verizon FIOS clear QAM and ATSC broadcast (4 channel map memories is awesome also).

The only hardware differences between the PHD-VRX2 and PHD-VRX is that the PHD-VRX2 cosmetically looks different and has individual standby, recording, and operation indicators (Which is a minor change). The big advantage of the PHD-VRX2 is that it has updated HDMI hardware that allows it to bitstream 1.0-5.1 Dolby Digital from the HDMI output interface. This is the very first EpVision tuner that allows bitstreaming audio over HDMI. Most likely there will be a menu selection in the PHD-VRX2 to output 2.0 PCM over HDMI and a option to output Dolby Digital native bitstream.

This means consumers who purchase the PHD-VRX2 will no longer have low audio problems since most modern HDTV’s will accept a bitstream Dolby Digital input over HDMI. Consumers will just need to use the volume control on their TV to control the volume when bitstreaming Dolby Digital. This also means consumers no longer need to run both HDMI and optical to their A/V receiver. Many people today use A/V receivers as a HDMI switching device that is connected directly to their display.
The old PHD-VRX must have a hardware limitation that only allows 2.0 PCM over HDMI. Many HDTV chipsets have a 2.0 PCM limitation and since the original PHD-VRX was designed around TV electronics this would explain why it cannot bitstream over HDMI.

So consumers will either have separate firmware releases for the PHD-VRX and PHD-VRX2 or as one person already mentioned the firmware releases will be the same. However if the firmware releases are the same, the option to change HDMI 2.0 PCM audio to Dolby Digital will not exist in the menu for the old PHD-VRX since according to the EpVision documentation the HDMI bitstreaming option is an exclusive feature only found on the PHD-VRX2(It must be a hardware limitation in the PHD-VRX). So it appears the main reason the PHD-VRX2 was released was to overcome the hardware limitation that prevented it from bitstreaming over HDMI. There must have been many people complaining about low volume over HDMI and no Dolby Digital bitstream option, to justify an entire new model that fixes those issues. That was one of my biggest complaints that I had to run both HDMI and optical to my Pioneer A/V receiver.

Tonight I placed an order for the PHD-VRX2 since I would like to free up one of the optical input jacks on my A/V receiver and also free up an optical cable that will no longer be required. For most people there will not be a big enough of a difference between the PHD-VRX2 and the PHD-VRX to justify an upgrade.

Is someone going to start a PHD-VRX2 user thread or will people just use this thread since the units are so similar?

PHD-VRX2_QuickStartGuide3.pdf

PHD_VRX2_8VX_compare.pdf
post #1759 of 2203
I wish there was more dual RF input products on the market. My many hours and days of research shows that EpVision is the only company making a dual RF input tuner on the market in 2013. Even TIVO discontinued the dual RF input features on their new product line. I do not need a NTSC tuner since now all the local broadcast stations are ATSC, also both Verizon FIOS and Comcast are both 100% digital QAM (with Comcast being 100% encrypted QAM). Within a few years all the cable companies nationwide will be dropping NTSC and using QAM. So in the future EpVision should develop new products without the NTSC tuner feature and instead add a cablecard slot for those people that want to subscribe to encrypted QAM channels. Then one could switch between broadcast TV and cable encrypted subscription QAM channels. I would still like to see a clear QAM MPEG-4 tuner released on the market. MPEG-4 is also needed for cablecard products. It appears that only TIVO supports both MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 if one is not interested in using the cable companies equipment.
Edited by HDTV1080P24 - 10/24/13 at 11:28am
post #1760 of 2203
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Originally Posted by HDTV1080P24 View Post

So in the future EpVision should develop new products without the NTSC tuner feature and instead add a cablecard slot for those people that want to subscribe to encrypted QAM channels.

That won't happen, as ePVision seems too incompetent to correctly implement the copy protection, and they'd get in trouble if they didn't adhere to the specifications. More significantly, Chinese companies don't care about DRM, anyway, so they'd likely never even consider releasing such a product.
post #1761 of 2203
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Originally Posted by james57 View Post

Before jumping and putting an order for the new release I would take a big I mean a very big breath and wait what at least 5 people say about it. I have been burnt beyond prepair by this Co. I am currently considering the new UpnP DLNA HDHomerun duo and plug it directly to my Oppo 105 and never come back to EP.


I couldn't take the issues I have with the unit so I got the HD Homerun with 3 tuners and I got a cable card from Comcast. Since they have already dropped all NTSC and gone completely QAM I had no choice if I wanted to record almost any channel.

One of the main reasons I did it is because the VRX is just riddled with completely fixable bugs in the software that make me want to throw it out a window and shoot it repeatedly.

I'm afraid to touch it and I have to babysit it to make sure that it records. I can not use the unit to watch anything while it's recording or it will crash. The scheduler has major bugs. The list goes on...

I've outlined all of the bugs numerous times and not a single one has been fixed going on a year now.

The HD Homerun is not as convenient as the VRX but I found Remote Potato to access media center remotely to view or schedule recordings and MCEBuddy to CUT COMMERCIALS OUT automatically. I record 3 streams at a time to my pc, MCEbuddy kills the commercials and I watch them on my Samsung TV or using my Sony Blu-Ray. I let the VRX record stuff without touching it and watch things when it's not recording which is the only way I stay sane.




I need to tweak it but It's working pretty good so far with only a few limitations.

So the VRX is a partial backup for channels that I can record. One of the main reasons I originally got the VRX was because my wife needs closed caption so I still have to use it for that since my pc is not directly hooked up to the tv I can't get captions from it when it remotely streams but I'll find a solution for that then I can toss it in the pile with all of the DVR's that worked fine and I loved but can't do QAM because Comcast sucks.
post #1762 of 2203
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Before jumping and putting an order for the new release I would take a big I mean a very big breath and wait what at least 5 people say about it.
The problem is not with the unit, it's with who is trying to market it here. They do not understand our culture and don't seem to want to. Add the language barrier to the mix and it's dead in the water.

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I wish there was more dual RF input products on the market.
They managed to get that right in a huge way. It must of been by accident. I bet they didn't even realize it had dual memories, which is a carry over from the 205 tuner from many years ago.

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That won't happen, as ePVision seems too incompetent to correctly implement the copy protection
That and just the cost. It would place this out of the range they want to target.

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VRX is just riddled with completely fixable bugs in the software
They are too busy coming out with a very slightly different version with a couple of lights on the front apparently duplicating what is already there claiming additional features. They won't even add the component out which was originally designed to have and reinstate the 480p out which was removed for no reason.

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Edited by videobruce - 10/24/13 at 8:41pm
post #1763 of 2203
The HD Homerun is not as convenient as the VRX but I found Remote Potato to access media center remotely to view or schedule recordings and MCEBuddy to CUT COMMERCIALS OUT automatically. I record 3 streams at a time to my pc, MCEbuddy kills the commercials and I watch them on my Samsung TV or using my Sony Blu-Ray. I let the VRX record stuff without touching it and watch things when it's not recording which is the only way I stay sane.


I am praying that this new unit http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=15-345-014&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=361116&SID=FWc4cysi connected directly to my oppo 105 without a PC will provide a nice UI from oppo ( any comment)

The problem is not with the unit, it's with who is trying to market it here. They do not understand our culture and don't seem to want to. Add the language barrier to the mix and it's dead in the water.


VB, I agree but from an end-user standpoint UI or hardware screw-up end up with the same result, it just does not work.

Beside the listed issues, and great work BTW, I just stopped counting the number of times I had to shutdown the VRX to reboot, had screen freeze, flash the entire thing many times, lost sound, etc....
post #1764 of 2203
Still to day I have not found a better DVR to replace the cable/tivo DVR's
I do not know why the 480 was remove most likely they needed the ROM/RAM space

Dave
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

The problem is not with the unit, it's with who is trying to market it here. They do not understand our culture and don't seem to want to. Add the language barrier to the mix and it's dead in the water.

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They managed to get that right in a huge way. It must of been by accident. I bet they didn't even realize it had dual memories, which is a carry over from the 205 tuner from many years ago.

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That and just the cost. It would place this out of the range they want to target.

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They are too busy coming out with a very slightly different version with a couple of lights on the front apparently duplicating what is already there claiming additional features. They won't even add the component out which was originally designed to have and reinstate the 480p out which was removed for no reason.

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post #1765 of 2203
Thread Starter 
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I do not know why the 480 was remove most likely they needed the ROM/RAM space
I would find that hard to believe. There are plenty of other places space could be freed up.
post #1766 of 2203
Is the menu interface on the VRX-2 the same as the original? And same good tuner?
post #1767 of 2203
Thread Starter 
Assuming the only physical change is the HDMI audio chip, yes it should be unless they decided to fix the couple dozen issues with the menu as opposed to changing something that was not broke (the indications of operational state) rolleyes.gif
post #1768 of 2203
I pre-ordered the new EpVision PHD-VRX2 at the EpVision website on 10-23-2013. On the EpVision website it use to say that the item was going to be released on October 28th or sooner. Over the weekend I noticed that on both the EpVision website and the Amazon website, it now says the PHD-VRX2 is in stock and shipping. However as of Monday October 28th 2013 I have not received an order status update or tracking number. Perhaps if there was several hundred pre-orders it might take them up to a week or so to ship the product. I wonder if I would have just waited and ordered directly from Amazon website if the product would have shipped faster.

What is very puzzling and disturbing is that EpVision instead of creating a completely new PHD-VRX2 product listing on Amazon, instead decided to revise the original August 1st 2012 Amazon catalog listing for the PHD-VRX. I know the PHD-VRX is discontinued and the PHD-VRX2 is the replacement, however this is going to cause consumer confusion since all the old comments for the PHD-VRX are now under the listing for the PHD-VRX2. If some of those comments are talking about the HDMI audio issue which was now fixed, it would have been in EpVision’s best interest to create a new dedicated Amazon listing.

Also now people will think the PHD-VRX2 was released on August 1st 2012 instead of October 28th 2013 when surfing Amazons website. All the pictures for the old PHD-VRX have been removed from Amazon and the PHD-VRX2 pictures have now been uploaded on Amazon. Also the description for the PHD-VRX has been revised to only mention the new PHD-VRX2 and model number, however the main title on the Amazon website still says PHD-VRX when placing it in the cart or looking at the main listing. That part was not revised.

There should be some Amazon policy against revising and changing an old listing when a new model comes out. It would benefit consumers and EpVision if they would have just created an entire new catalog listing on Amazon for the PHD-VRX2. The PHD-VRX2 is a new model with different firmware and HDMI bitstream support. It needs to receive new user reviews and comments instead of being based on the comments for an older model.

http://www.amazon.com/PrimeDTV-PHD-VRX-Digital-Recorder-Receiver/dp/B008RHTXLA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382984716&sr=8-1&keywords=PrimeDTV+PHD-VRX
Edited by HDTV1080P24 - 10/28/13 at 11:42am
post #1769 of 2203
I just received an email from EpVision with a tracking number. My order status now claims the PHD-VRX2 will be shipping in 2-3 days from now.
post #1770 of 2203
Thread Starter 
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It needs to receive new user reviews and comments instead of being based on the comments for an older model.
If the only real change is HDMI audio, other than comments mentioning what it couldn't do, all other comments would still stand assuming no other changes were made and no real change to the firmware. wink.gif
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