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But have they done reoccurring (multiple) recordings of the same program?

Yes, it has recorded that same 2 shows on a number of days.
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I made some test recording and it appears some did, but others didn't.

I update post 905 & 896 regarding the current issues & update changes.
post #933 of 2203
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Nope, you can't do that. Inputs are only for upscaling to a TV. There is a composite output that a VCR or DVD Recorder will record from, but the VR will only record off the internal tuners.
This was discussed some time ago.

Thank you so much
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Can someone pls tell me how do u organize the list of the channels ? I have tivo too and the tivo channel order list is totally different from the ones set by the PHD-VRX. There are no names of the channels set in the PHD-VRX....it is confusing to understand which ic the channel name...

Thank you
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Can someone pls tell me how do u organize the list of the channels ? I have tivo too and the tivo channel order list is totally different from the ones set by the PHD-VRX. There are no names of the channels set in the PHD-VRX....it is confusing to understand which ic the channel name...
Thank you
There is MSWord. Make a document of the channel numbers and their network/call letters. Or use TitanTV.com where you can change the channel number and other information. Cable right?
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Can someone pls tell me how do u organize the list of the channels ?
Just what do you mean "organize"? Are you talking about changing the order and/or number/name within the DVR itself?
post #937 of 2203
OK, either I'm dumb or something, but I can't figure out how to update the firmware. I did put the 3 files (default, squashfs and usbfwu) on the root of a USB Key. I tried NTFS, FAT, FAT32 and EXT2 (using a Linux machine that I have lying around) and all the times, after following the procedure, I can't see the "updating" text on the LED display when booting (after doing the power off/on and standby).

Also, on the currently firmware, the audio output seems to be still stereo on the HDMI port and on the Optical out, there is seems to be still stereo instead of the usual DD5.1 on regular OTA signal.

HELP! smile.gif

EDIT: I should have read the thread.. smile.gif I now have 5.1 on the optical TOS-link output! YEAH! So, now, I also read that I should have used FAT32. I'll retry it that way, AGAIN and see how it goes.
Edited by daftect - 12/25/12 at 1:29pm
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Hi All, I found this thread after searching on the PHD-VRX.

I purchased one a month ago after deciding to give directv the boot.
I plugged it in today and am a bit disappointed when trying to set it up.

Originally believing it supported component video out, I saw that it was for input only. So I was forced to drop an HDMI cable to the projector.
We have a four year old MItsubishi HD8000 projector, and had been using component out from both the directv receiver, and a Sony BDP-BX1 bluray player at 1080p without issue.
HDMI has to be fed via the DVI-D (HDCP) input connector on the projector, and it does not work with 1080p from the PHD-VRX. Image is a jittery mess.
Oddly, in testing the Sony Bluray player using the HDMI cable at 1080p, it works fine. Perhaps the Sony support a legacy 1080p compatibility.

So, moving on, I tried to set up a wifi connection from our home DSL router and the PHD-VRX using a common USB WiFi dongle (Realtek 8188 chipset), and it's not recognizing any local remote networks in the setup menu. It should see a half dozen in our neighborhood at least. I tried downloading the user manual, and that's a complete joke. It's 2k per second, and has been doing it for 3 hours now. And with no end in sight.

Can anyone please advise me on the USB wifi problem?, and perhaps explain why our $$$ LCD projector does not like the 1080p HDMI signal from the PHD-VRX?

I really appreciate the thread on this unit. There's a huge amount of info published about it here.
I'm an EE, and very technically capable. It's embarrassing how difficult it's been for me in trying to switch over to broadcast video with the PHD-VRX.

FWIW, the software revision showing on the screen is VRX.242.22.22

Regards, Jeff
Edited by nixichron - 12/26/12 at 2:41pm
post #939 of 2203
EDIT: Aw crap. After the user manual finally completed the download, it stated this about wireless networking:

'Current PHD‐VRX will support wired network. Wireless network option requires a WiFi USB adapter plugged into the USB port and currently PHD‐VRX does not support it.'
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EDIT: Aw crap. After the user manual finally completed the download, it stated this about wireless networking:
'Current PHD‐VRX will support wired network. Wireless network option requires a WiFi USB adapter plugged into the USB port and currently PHD‐VRX does not support it.'

You could get a WiFi-to-wired bridge device (sometimes referred to as a "game adapter"), or if your wireless access point supports WDS, you could use another WDS-enabled access point to bridge a wired segment onto your wireless network. A USB WiFi device isn't the only way to do it. Hell, TiVo's 802.11n WiFi adapter does basically that - you plug its permanently-affixed Ethernet cable into your TiVo's Ethernet port, and it just extends your wireless network transparently. The only problem is that if you have any problems with WiFi interference, even wired devices, if they're on that WiFi-bridged segment, will lose Internet connectivity. I switched to powerline networking in my apartment for that very reason.
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Thanks for the advice on the bridge. I'll look into it. I do have a spare device that may work. The arrangement of our multistory home precludes any chance of running CAT between the DSL modem and the wall pocket where all the video components are located.

I'm still stuck on the 1080p issue with the $20k projector not functioning with the PHD-VRX. That problem alone has me on the fence whether to keep it.

I tested a ROKU XD, and it failed similarly. Hopefully I'll identify an alternative streaming device that offer composite outputs. There are too few devices that offer composite outputs these days.wink.gif

Regards, Jeff
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Here's an update on my situation; as I said, I was able to finally get DD5.1 working via the optical output. However, after playing a bit with the device, there is one major issue that I'm having: why does it has colour corrections? And why does it doesn't allow me to disable it?
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Here's an update on my situation; as I said, I was able to finally get DD5.1 working via the optical output. However, after playing a bit with the device, there is one major issue that I'm having: why does it has colour corrections? And why does it doesn't allow me to disable it?

I've got the sister model to this, the 8VX (no DVR), and it too has color correction. I called Allen from ePvision to talk about this and several other issues. Basically, what I gathered was these boxes were built around an ATI chip, and we're at the mercy of the chip. He said there was no way to disable the color correction. I tried to explain that if that is the case, they should have characterized the ATI chip in their lab, and in the firmware they wrote, provide a disable that puts the controls where they need to be to get the most neutral picture out. He didn't seem to grasp that idea.
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there is one major issue that I'm having: why does it has colour corrections? And why does it doesn't allow me to disable it?
If you change the following to these settings, it should greatly improve the output. I have tested it on four different sets and except for one (a DLP where the brightness needed only be set to 10) and the results were close;

Brightness: 18 (15-20)
Contrast: 65 (60-70)
Color: -5
Tint: Close to zero
Dynamic Contrast (which is actually a gamma setting): 7 (the only setting that is correct)

The easiest way to do that is through the Quick Menu. And remember the settings should "stick" in the new "Recordings" screen in Media Player, but not in the original "Video" screen. You have to 'reactivate' them for each setting you changed when you watch a recording imported into the recorder from your HDD.

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Edited by videobruce - 12/28/12 at 5:23am
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He didn't seem to grasp that idea.
Understatement of the decade. rolleyes.gif
I have been convinced from the start this was a problem and remains. I'm also convinced that this isn't the only Chinese company with the problem. I further believe it is a 'cultural thing' where their 'pride' and mostly stubbornness won't allow American intervention, or help. It's obvious in his e-mails noticeable his "insult" back in June.
This is one major reason most of these products fail.
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Basically, what I gathered was these boxes were built around an ATI chip, and we're at the mercy of the chip. He said there was no way to disable the color correction. I tried to explain that if that is the case, they should have characterized the ATI chip in their lab, and in the firmware they wrote, provide a disable that puts the controls where they need to be to get the most neutral picture out.
I stated some time ago these were the wrong chips to use. The main chip was designed for a TV, not a DVR. True, it can be used for one, but most functions can not. They bit off more than they can chew.

I also believe these chips and the related circuity are the cause of this false contouring/banding problem. Though it doesn't always show, when it does, it's easily noticeable (and on different monitors/TV's) to me. I also believe it's the associated circuity that is causing the mis-adjusted levels on the output. If true, that tells me it was poorly engineered. But, that can't possibly be the case according to the following quote from last June. rolleyes.gif
I wonder if the component (if it was available) would show the same results?


Remember this e-mail??;
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1262996/epvision-phd-vrx-speculation-thread/90#post_21475015
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Hi Bruce,

Thanks for your email today and this one!
Regarding your questions:

We actually are not just some engineers doing our designs in the oversea location by ourselves. In fact, all our key engineers worked for US design firms, US side TV manufacturers and EPG companies for many years (10 years+ at least). We are really good what we are.
Again, many thanks for your comments and even for today’s email.

Support Team, Allen
ePVision.com

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Edited by videobruce - 12/29/12 at 2:16am
post #946 of 2203
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Understatement of the decade.

Not getting any easier, is it? You've fought the good fight. Take pride in that.
post #947 of 2203
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His/their last update was one of two that made any real difference. Allowing selectable skip periods and remembering where a recording was left off while watching were both overdue.
It's too bad their (and all the other importers) culture and/or stubbornness is their downfall.

The fact they didn't recognize repetitive spin up, then spin down of a HDD being, what turned out to be a bad cable, blaming on me instead kinda says it all. wink.gif
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I stated some time ago this was the wrong chip to use. It was designed for a TV, not a DVR. True, it can be used for one, but most functions can not. They bit off more than they can chew.

I guess I didn't realize this, but it makes perfect sense. However, the one feature it does have that I really needed, overscan correction, probably wouldn't exist in a switcher/dvr chip.

I recently picked up a used Key Digital VPHD2 video processor, since that's the only thing I use the 8VX for. It too, has issues. I'm glad I spent less than $50 on it, but I'd have been very mad if I'd have paid the original asking price of $2k.
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...blaming on me instead...

 

I get that all the time from the CSR's in India.


Edited by Rammitinski - 12/28/12 at 11:48pm
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They blame you for what?
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Basically, anything they can. Mostly with whatever problem you're having. They seem to get really flustered when taken off their script (like when your patience is wearing thin and you want to get right to the issue), and some can take on a snotty attitude about that.

 

Have had it happen more than once.


Edited by Rammitinski - 1/2/13 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by demonfoo View Post

You could get a WiFi-to-wired bridge device (sometimes referred to as a "game adapter"), or if your wireless access point supports WDS, you could use another WDS-enabled access point to bridge a wired segment onto your wireless network. A USB WiFi device isn't the only way to do it. Hell, TiVo's 802.11n WiFi adapter does basically that - you plug its permanently-affixed Ethernet cable into your TiVo's Ethernet port, and it just extends your wireless network transparently. The only problem is that if you have any problems with WiFi interference, even wired devices, if they're on that WiFi-bridged segment, will lose Internet connectivity. I switched to powerline networking in my apartment for that very reason.


Thanks again for the advice. I plugged in a netgear WNCE2001 and was able to bring up youtube. I'd hoped the PHD-VRX supported other streaming sites, although I wasn't able to access anything else. Odd, a bullet on the sales web page for the PHD-VRX advertized streaming video. Am I missing something? firmware rev is vrx 242 22 22

At least it appears to work as a two tuner DVR...

Regards, Jeff
post #953 of 2203
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Odd, a bullet on the sales web page for the PHD-VRX advertized streaming video. Am I missing something?
U-Tube videos.

FWIW; the price on Amazon has dropped from $230 down to $210.
post #954 of 2203
You might have missed the ability to play media files stored on your home network on media servers. I have been successfully playing home videos, music and photos from my windows xp home desktop and and my LG Nas (Dlna) over the Ethernet. My routers and switches are nothing fancy... Just old linksys wrt54g and gs units I got at an electronics recycling centre for 5 bucks ea. Works very nicely.

Also noticed that some bloggers have missed the latest firmware update now available...dec 3 http://www.epvision.com/HDTVSTB/Documents/PHD-VRX/PHD_VRX_firmware-VRX_242_23_36.zip is now available.
post #955 of 2203
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You might have missed the ability to play media files stored on your home network on media servers.
He talked about "streaming sites".

Firmware update was posted here almost a month ago;
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1414002/epvision-phd-vrx-owners-thread/870#post_22680706

BTW, that price drop on Amazon, must of been a weekly special, it's back to $230. confused.gif
post #956 of 2203
I installed the latest VRX.242.23.36 firmware update for the PHD-VRX. While this firmware fixed many bugs and added features, there is still many bugs with the PHD-VRX that I mentioned in several posted pages before.

I am not going to take the time to be a volunteer BETA tester and spend several days and hours posting all the problems I find. I will just touch on a few points.

It is nice that the close captioning feature can now be toggled on and off when playing back recordings. What is disappointing is that the time shift feature does not allow consumers to toggle on the close caption feature when playing back from the time shift option. Also when using AC3 optical output with the time shift there is still a 3-5 second audio delay when hitting the pause button. For example while in time shift hitting the pause button will instantly pause the video but the audio will continue for 3-5 seconds. When pause is pressed again to resume the time shift the video starts up instantly, however the audio does not resume for another 3-5 seconds. Also it would be nice if there was an option in the PHD-VRX menu to automatically have the unit start time shifting when the pause button is pushed or to have time shift automatically reset to on every time a channel is changed like all other modern HD DVR’s do.

Except for the mute button the audio controls on the remote are designed for only the variable PCM HDMI output. Consumers in general will prefer using the audio controls on their A/V receiver remote or HDTV remote control, and the PHD-VRX variable PCM HDMI audio option is a useless function for most consumers.

Also a HDMI audio menu selection should be offered with a fixed HDMI PCM option, variable HDMI PCM option, and a must have bitstream AC3 option for HDMI so the optical cable does not need to be used. A fixed PCM HDMI option and a bitstream AC3 option over HDMI would solve the low audio problems people are having. 100% of all ATSC and QAM channels are using Dolby Digital AC3 between 1.0-5.1 channels. The option to convert AC3 to PCM for the optical output on the PHD-VRX is only needed for legacy 2.0 stereo receivers and other equipment that does not support Dolby Digital. The PHD-VRX system information screen for video output is still showing incorrect information. Even when the PHD-VRX outputs true 720P the system information screen incorrectly says the output resolution is 1920 X 1080P.

The ability to backup the channel maps and settings to an external USB file would be ideal since it is time consuming to restore all the settings manually after a firmware update. A feature to notify consumers about new firmware releases and update the firmware over the internet like Blu-ray players do would be a nice feature for a programmer to add.

A native source direct feature, 480i, 480P, and 1080i option would make the PHD-VRX much more popular with consumers.

A programmer could make the PHD-VRX automatically set the time after a power outage if they wanted to make the PHD-VRX more popular with consumers.
post #957 of 2203
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A native source direct feature, 480i, 480P, and 1080i option would make the PHD-VRX much more popular with consumers.

I must be missing something, because I still do not see why such an option is expected. There is no such thing as a native display, so a native output is useless. The number of pixels on any TV is static: it is either a 1920x1080 or a 1280x720 (1366x768) set. A 1080 set does display a 720p picture natively; it will stretch the image to fill the 1920x1080 pixels of the display. A 720 set cannot display 1080p at all and will downscale it to fit the 1280x720 pixels the display contains. The only way a "native" output would work would be if a 1920x1080 set would actually display the 1280x720 pixles of a 720p video in a 1:1 fashion, meaning the image would have black borders on all four sides, because not all of the 1920x1080 resolution would be necessary to display the low resolution image.

Since most people would find such a true "native" display option annoying, I fail to see why so much fuss is made over DVRs having native output modes. If your TV is 1080, set the DVR to output 1080p. If your TV is 720, set the DVR to output 720p. Either the TV or the DVR will have to scale images from shows at the other resolution, so you might as well let the DVR do it and save yourself the wasted time of renegotiating the HDMI handshake every time you change the channel to one with a different resolution, since the rescaled image will be the same either way. If your DVR is so bad that it can't scale images as well as your TV, it probably also has other problems of far greater consequence than this (which would seem to be the case with the VRX).
post #958 of 2203
Direct TV HD satellite receivers, OPPO Blu-ray players, Pioneer Blu-ray players and all or most of the first and second generation external ATSC tuners offer a native source direct output mode. The PHD-VRX offers poor quality 1080P upconversion when compared to a high-end A/V receiver with 4K(quad HD) or 1080P scaling. Videophiles would like to bypass the PHD-VRX upscaling and video processing and allow a better quality external 4K (quad HD) or 1080P scaling to do the job.

Right now the PHD-VRX does all the video scaling when there are many front projectors, flat screens, and A/V receivers that can do a better job of scaling to 1080P. Also for those that own a 4K (QUAD HD) display the source direct native feature would be ideal. The source direct native feature would also take care of the color video processing problem with the PHD-VRX and would allow the consumers display to receive the correct native picture. Satellite receivers and cable boxes do not have controls to adjust the color, brightness, etc. That is the responsibility of the display.
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post #960 of 2203
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480p was removed as a output choice last summer for no apparent reason along with analog noise reduction. Decision was neither necessary or warranted. Doing so, just adding two more to the "laundry list".

For some older sets, due to limited aspect choices, 480p was a workable choice. wink.gif
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