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post #121 of 165
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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey View Post

I love AVS; it's an important part of making my day. But I'm going to have to admit that since the change it's been nothing but slow and clunky, and that's with cablemodem. At work, with DSL, it's tasking to say the least! The multiple clicks on the backbutton is one thing, but the clunkiness is a pain.
I hope it makes more money for AVS somehow, but it's kind of a drag to me.


Just a quick question...When you describe it as "clunky", can you please advise on how? I ask for what are the areas you find "clunky"? It is the look? What about it? Is the just the speed? (Have you tried something other than IE which is the slowest browser by far. Not that you mentioned IE, just asking just in case.)

I am not asking to poke or anything, but just using a term as "clunky" does not help us to see if we can fix an issue what have you. smile.gif

I ask for I have not seen a speed issue personally. (I use Firefox and Chrome on a MacBook) Actually the page load time is reported as faster then before the switch by third party reports. (Not that you do not have an issue, just saying I have used cable modem, 4G, 3G, and even a HughesNet system at 1.2MB down and 200kb up.)

Here is a report starting on May 1st - July 31. We converted over June 6th. (Just posting the below to say I am not making it up. I am concerned.) Chart shows page load times in seconds with lower being better of course.




And yes, the back button was/is an issue, but we were not alone with that issue as shown. So, I am just looking to see if you can help some by sheading some light on it.

Thanks for the help.
post #122 of 165
For me, "clunky" encompasses the look, feel, layout and speed.

I would agree that the site is more "clunky" than before.

I use IE, never have a problem with it. I occasionally use Firefox for certain things but I find it to be slower than IE. I refuse to use Chrome, it's a Google product and who knows what sort of browsing data it's collecting given that they're in the ad business.

I will say that after I've enabled some of the ad/tracking blocking that the pages seem to load a bit better.

I'm not sure where those performance statistics are generated or who they're collected by, but I wonder if they're correctly taking into consideration the additional ads now?
post #123 of 165
"For me, "clunky" encompasses the look, feel, layout and speed.

I would agree that the site is more "clunky" than before."

That would pretty much describe it.
post #124 of 165
Thanks guys...But what areas? Look and feel in what way? Their has to be a reason other that a word. Or is it just the change itself in general as people do not tend to like change. Really trying to help here.

In regards to the amount of ads, as you mentioned "additional ad", ...their are actually LESS then we had before. We even had seven 160x600 ads stacked on top of each other down the right side and those are all gone for example. Even the 300x250 ads their used to be up to 5 in a thread, now their are only two.

Are you speaking that the right side seems cluttered or something and thus the look you may be mentioning?

Oh, the stats are from Analytics and thus the chart can go way back. I just made it starting May 1st to give a month before and the month after to show the load times.

Thank again.
post #125 of 165
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Originally Posted by David Bott View Post

Thanks guys...But what areas? Look and feel in what way? Their has to be a reason other that a word. Or is it just the change itself in general as people do not tend to like change. Really trying to help here....

For me, the worst thing about the new "look and feel" is this obnoxious popup (drop-down) or whatever that is unavoidable when using the forum. Personally, I much rather just click on "Forum" and then select which sub-forum I want to go to. But when you mouse over "Forum" you get this huge drop-down whether you want it or not. And after visiting a sub-forum, my choice would be to use the Forum "address bar" to navigate back up the chain to another sub-forum. But the trigger zone for the obnoxious popup extends way down into the area marked by magenta in the second screenprint, and it's far too easy to inadvertantly mouse over that area, unleashing that huge popup once again. I don't know if I've done a good job of explaining how aggravating this can be... It would be easier if I could somehow capture a screen video.. along with the censored audio track..... eek.gif

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post #126 of 165
Thanks...No video needed. I can reproduce. smile.gif I have summited this to see if the trigger area can be cut down. We shall see. smile.gif
post #127 of 165
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Originally Posted by sebberry View Post

I'm not sure where those performance statistics are generated or who they're collected by, but I wonder if they're correctly taking into consideration the additional ads now?

Less ads. You mean less ads as there were more on the old platform.
post #128 of 165
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Originally Posted by Mike Lang View Post

Less ads. You mean less ads as there were more on the old platform.

You're right. As per David's post above, the previous site had up to 5 ads down the right side served up by ad servers. This one now only has three. However, the block of smaller ads are also now being served up by Google's ad servers instead of being hard-coded into the page.

Surely those additional ads and connections to the ad server slow down the site's performance. I notice a big difference in speed with ad blocker enabled vs. disabled.


As for the rest of the "clunkiness" - the site is too complex visually. There's too much information in the thread listings - look at the layout on the old pages back in the vBulletin forum and you'll see what I mean. (http://web.archive.org/web/20100813132853/http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=117)

There's also too many redundant links cluttering up the thread pages, there's no need to what I've highlighted in this picture:





I've also noticed that after inserting that picture and typing in this thread box, the page scrolls down as I start to type. If I position the page so I can see part of that picture in the "post preview" and click right here while I'm typing, the page jumps down a few inches.
post #129 of 165
New problem guys...

At the bottom of this thread...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1402464/the-pinball-arcade-on-xbla/180#post_22277222

There are a list of links to Youtube videos. None of the videos show up with IE9.

They show up with the Chrome explorer.


Just so you know, I applied all the "fixes" to the problems we have talked about on this thread.
post #130 of 165
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

New problem guys...
At the bottom of this thread...
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1402464/the-pinball-arcade-on-xbla/180#post_22277222
There are a list of links to Youtube videos. None of the videos show up with IE9.
They show up with the Chrome explorer.
Just so you know, I applied all the "fixes" to the problems we have talked about on this thread.

The "fix" breaks embedded YouTube videos. Do you see a small blue circle with a line in it in the top-left corner? There's a button with a matching icon in the address bar you can click to turn off the tracking protection and enable the embedded videos.
post #131 of 165
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Originally Posted by sebberry View Post

The "fix" breaks embedded YouTube videos. Do you see a small blue circle with a line in it in the top-left corner? There's a button with a matching icon in the address bar you can click to turn off the tracking protection and enable the embedded videos.
Yep, that fixed it. At the same time, when I turn it off, I end up with the old problems.
At this point I think it's best to leave the tracking protection ON.

I hope one day someone will be able to fix the problem "fully." That way I won't have to have all these tracking protection features turned on so I can simply navigate through AVS without problems.

You mentioned this is only happening with only a percentage of members.
I wonder if the fix needs to be with Microsoft?
post #132 of 165
Can any one please advise me as to why ever sence the AVS change over the back button needs A lot of clicks to go back (especially backing out of threads) & some times goes to "Blank ", all so tends to reload AVS?.. Never experienced problems before the Site upgrade/Huddler change over, & this issue is only with AVS forum..

I am using IE9 for web browser with Vista OS, Ive tried the Stop Google tracking plugin(testDrive) with no effect & had hoped this issue would of been resolved well & truly by now..

Any help would be Greatly Appreciated as this is Driving me nuts eek.gifsmile.gif


























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post #133 of 165
You're in the thread with all the info to date.
This is happening on thousands of sites.
The obvious quick fix is to not use IE (if possible).
post #134 of 165
Thanks for your reply Mike,
Ive read most/all of whats in the thread & take note of what your saying, But cant say ive read anything that makes Direct mention as to why AVS Pre Huddler takover IE was working fine regarding the back button but Post Huddler the Back button no longer work's like it should..

Jase..
post #135 of 165
Most IE users don't see what you describe. I've tried many times to replicate in on several machines and can't. There are so many browser versions, add-ons, settings, and side effects of other running programs that no one seems to have figured out the correct combination of events that causes it.
post #136 of 165
We had hard coded the button ads into the page to save loads and calls to the ad server. (Needed to save ad server power) Now the button ads are called from the ad sever as they are all served via Google services.
post #137 of 165
Thanks for your post above David,

Not sure wether the below is useful to you:
I tend to get the yellow tab come up from the bottom of the browser saying something to the effect of
"A problem with this website back tab caused IE to close & reload the page"

When I click out of A Sub forum to go to the main forums page it often goes to "About Blank "page
with IE 9 & default settings & (Internet options "Security Tab" Trusted Sites (AVS) set to Medium..
post #138 of 165
I think back navigation is working now. I've been able to return to previous pages with a single click. smile.gif
post #139 of 165
Good to hear!
post #140 of 165
Just ran into this again. Hasn't been a problem for a while, but then again for some reason I turned off the ad blocker tonight...
post #141 of 165
Has any leeway been made on this annoying problem?

It is over 3 months from the last post and this problem still exists. Actually, it seems to be getting even worse now.

As for allowing ads, I have them blocked, so that isn't the problem on my end.
post #142 of 165
No one has reported seeing it in a long time and even when it was happening, the programmers couldn't replicate it with any consistency.
post #143 of 165
So what's up with the facebook thing when hitting the back button. Kinda sucks..
post #144 of 165
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Originally Posted by Ernstmach View Post

So what's up with the facebook thing when hitting the back button. Kinda sucks..

Facebook thing?

Do you mean what the solution in post 77 covered back in June of last year?
post #145 of 165
I turned off tracking protection in IE 9 today so I could click the Blue Jeans link to order another sub woofer cable and I could not beleive how many ad links popped up. They were practically endless. I tried to brows the forum and I couldn't back up to the home page with out going through dozens of different ad links. They seem to multiply as you try to go back. Turning on tracking protection immediately wiped them out. I think it has something to do if you are a non member as probably members don't see all this. Both of my Windows 7 Home premium 64 bit SP1 computers running 32 bit IE 9 do this.
post #146 of 165
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Originally Posted by Jed1 View Post

I turned off tracking protection in IE 9 today so I could click the Blue Jeans link to order another sub woofer cable and I could not beleive how many ad links popped up. They were practically endless. I tried to brows the forum and I couldn't back up to the home page with out going through dozens of different ad links. They seem to multiply as you try to go back. Turning on tracking protection immediately wiped them out. I think it has something to do if you are a non member as probably members don't see all this. Both of my Windows 7 Home premium 64 bit SP1 computers running 32 bit IE 9 do this.

 

I think some of this is due to browser add-ons, such as 'free' video capture tools and their link-jacking practices.  I have one, and it (or something else, at least) slowed my browsing to a crawl - - - though some posts here said they only have/had the problem on this site.   I finally got back some browsing speed by site-blocking within Avast.

 

I have IE8, and I just tried unchecking/checking my site block in Avast and I get about 5-to-7 seconds of page landing, navigating with IE8's 'back' button, either way.  However, I usually navigate sites 'forward' only.  Saves a lot of headaches, depending on the site.

 

post #147 of 165
Also worked for me in IE 8. Same procedure also eliminates another PITA that some websites insert into the browser history, http://assets.pinterest.com/pidget.html, which blocks use of the "back" button. Gotta wonder if these devices boost ad revenue by forcing users to spend more time on the affected sites and, in the case of doubleclick, artificially increasing the number of page clicks.
post #148 of 165
I still definitely have the many clicks to go back thing. IE 9, Win7 64 bit. It's been that way all long for me since the changeover. I have to say I come here a lot less often now because it's so much slower and painful to nagivate due to this issue and presumably a lot of going out ot servers for ads. Nothing against them making some revenues of course, but it always seems a bad thing to have ads served up by outside sources. The responsiveness tends to go down and the possibility of bad things happening probably goes up, because we now have to trust a lot more people to do the right hing.
post #149 of 165
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Originally Posted by Dean Roddey View Post

I have to say I come here a lot less often now because it's so much slower and painful to nagivate due to this issue and presumably a lot of going out ot servers for ads. Nothing against them making some revenues of course, but it always seems a bad thing to have ads served up by outside sources. The responsiveness tends to go down and the possibility of bad things happening probably goes up, because we now have to trust a lot more people to do the right hing.

Same here. Even with cable modem, it takes too long to load pages, and if I do other than just browsing a few topics I've posted in via Profile, it just gets too time consuming (annoying) waiting the oft times 15 seconds for all the ads to load every page. And then there's the multiple back click thing, though that doesn't seem to be an all the time thing anymore for some reason, so I've somewhat gotten used to it.

Love AVS, just not as convenient as it used to be IMHO.
post #150 of 165
Well.....I paid to join AVS club and have turned off the ads. Easily at least 1/3 faster now; mebbe more.

For the life of me I didn't know, after all these years, that all I had to do is throw a couple bucks at it to make life a good bit better.
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