Originally Posted by Nuance
Measurements are great, and I never said they weren't; they help us weed out the bad from the good. That being said, Floyd Toole says the room dominates the response below the Schroeder Frequency, so why is it necessary to provide a nearfield measurement if the room dominates that region? It doesn't reflect how it will interact in your room. Regardless, said measurements are taken prior the product specs be listed, so all you're claiming is Jim Salk dishonest, which isn't true. In fact, you're the one being dishonest.
It would be great if every manufacturer in the world was held to a standard and was required to provide various measurements, but that's unfortunately not how it works. Salk provides more measurements than most manufacturers, as do a lot of the Internet Direct companies; this is a very good thing. What's not good is your unproven claims mucking up a thread in which someone is looking for speakers. I don't see Jim Salk or Dave Fabricant going into threads and claiming your speakers aren't what you say they are. Most of the ID vendors are men of integrity; you clearly are not.
No one is calling measurements a marketing gimmic. Well, Paul did, but he was talking about nearfiled bass response, mainly because the room dominates the sound below about 200Hz, thus making those measureIments kind of useless to the consumer. Salk provides measurements on their website, as do Ascend. Manufacturers do take nearfield measurements, though, and that's how they get their bass response specifications. Just because they don't post them on their website doesn't mean they are being dishonest, which is what Rick Craig is claiming, and is completely incorrect concerning; they don't post them because the room dictates how low the speakers can reach in your room.
No one likes a liar, and now we're supposed to buy speakers from one (yes, you Rick)? I think not. By the way, Rick, you've been proven time and again that you're wrong about the TL design Salk uses, yet you continue to push the subject. Give it a rest.
You need to do what you need to do, but I wouldn't recommend buying speakers from someone who needs to brand bash and spread false rumors in order to gain sales. Customer service is a huge part of what makes a company great, and Selah gets an epic fail from me in that department, especially after this stunt.