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post #121 of 235
I'm guessing or maybe hoping the Xios XS will be just that. I believe the DS is the Geniatech ATV500 or is very very similar, so maybe the XS will be the ATV1200 or ATV1600.

http://www.geniatech.com/img/atv-compare.jpg
Edited by djc11369 - 8/12/12 at 6:05pm
post #122 of 235
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Hello,
I am really intersted by this device but I am not sure the sense remore works well, what I would like to do with it is :
- Stream videos out of my computer (no 1080p stuff, just regular 720p files
- browse the internet (more precisely be able to watch flash videos)
Yup should be able to do both without an issue.
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I am also wondering about the wifi in it that doesn't seem to be quite stable
wifi is rock solid (some needed to do the wifi repositioning fix while for others it worked fine out of the box).
post #123 of 235
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Its out .. XBMC running natively on the XOIS ..

xios-xbmc.png
post #124 of 235
Is it stable?
Can you playback 1080i mpeg2 ts's? (18-24 mbps w/AC3)
Can it playback BD M2TS files?
Can it pplay the above locally and over NFS/SMB?
Can it playback DVD ISO/Folders while retaining menus over the network or locally?

I am considering picking up one of these just to tinker with XBMC on a streamer.

Thanks
post #125 of 235
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Is it stable?
Can you playback 1080i mpeg2 ts's? (18-24 mbps w/AC3)
Can it playback BD M2TS files?
Can it pplay the above locally and over NFS/SMB?
Can it playback DVD ISO/Folders while retaining menus over the network or locally?
I am considering picking up one of these just to tinker with XBMC on a streamer.
Thanks

Answer is yes for everything.
- I am not sure about the bit rate of the mpeg-2 files I tested but feel free to pass on a sample just to be sure.
- DVD ISO with menus plays fine too (though like the Android port, its not hardware accelerated, yet).
- Haven't tested DVD folders, yet
post #126 of 235
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Is it stable?
Can you playback 1080i mpeg2 ts's? (18-24 mbps w/AC3)
Can it playback BD M2TS files?
Can it pplay the above locally and over NFS/SMB?
Can it playback DVD ISO/Folders while retaining menus over the network or locally?
I am considering picking up one of these just to tinker with XBMC on a streamer.

The XBMC-Linux firmware is pretty stable, but it's still very much an early beta; there are a lot of little issues and a number of standard XBMC features are missing. Hardware acceleration is working for a number of file formats... but definitely not all of them. Every file that I've played also has an offset audio track and there's currently no way to adjust that. They seem to be actively working on it, so I'm sure many of the issues will be resolved and the missing features will be added back in over time.

One thing that I'm not so sure about is the ethernet performance of the box itself. On my Xios, the ethernet performance is pretty bad. The last time I tested it, I think the max speed that I saw was about 13 Mbps. I was thinking that it might just be an issue with the Android install and that this Linux/XBMC install wouldn't have the same issue, but I dunno... All of my TV shows, which are typically ~10 Mbps, play back very smoothly but almost all of my movies are extremely choppy. The only movies that play back smoothly are the low bitrate ones (<11 Mbps), of which I only have a few to try. Interestingly enough, the Xios can play back the 38 Mbps Birds file with no sign of stuttering but that's a very short clip and I think the entire file gets buffered prior to playback, so it doesn't get streamed over the ?sluggish? ethernet.

I definitely wouldn't recommend purchasing a XIOS as an XBMC Box right now. Even if your files are all low bitrate, you're still going to run into the audio lag issue and other minor beta bugs. In a few months, when they get the bugs worked out and hardware acceleration working on more file formats... maybe.

Edit: One thing that I forgot to mention is that the boot time into XBMC is quite fast. It's definitely not as fast as OpenELEC on my little Foxconn box, but it's significantly faster than most of the other media streamers that I've owned (and that's an embarrassingly high number of devices).
Edited by ScottAllyn - 8/14/12 at 7:27pm
post #127 of 235
I posted this to the official Pivos forums and figured I'd cross-post it here for those of you who are interested...

I did some bandwidth testing this morning to see how the XIOS XBMC-Linux build performs. I use a bunch of the "Killa Bird Scene" files that I've gathered up from various sites as well as a clip extracted from Casino Royale and the animated 20th Century Fox logo from an Avatar Blu-ray. Here's a link to the test files:

Bandwidth Test Files

...and here are my results. Note that I'm only showing the results of two birds files for each setup; the last file to perform smoothly as well as the next highest bitrate file:

XIOS-Linux-081312
Boot time: 30 seconds

USB Attached Hard Drive
  • birds (50 Mbps).mkv - Smooth playback.
  • birds (55 Mbps).mkv - Very minor chop.
.
  • 20th Century Fox (33 Mbps).mkv - Smooth playback (audio starts after ~1 sec).
  • Casino Royale (49mbps).mkv - Smooth playback.

Ethernet
  • birds (38 Mbps).mkv - Smooth playback.
  • birds (42 Mbps).mkv - Minor chop.
.
  • 20th Century Fox (33 Mbps).mkv - Smooth playback (audio starts after ~7 sec).
  • Casino Royale (49mbps).mkv - Choppy.

Wireless
  • birds (20 Mbps).mkv - Smooth playback.
  • birds (24 Mbps).mkv - Minor chop.
.
  • 20th Century Fox (33 Mbps).mkv - Choppy (audio briefly starts after ~7 sec then cuts out).
  • Casino Royale (49mbps).mkv - Extremely Choppy.

For comparison, below are the results with my Foxconn nT-A3500 running OpenElec. Note that I'm showing these results mostly to show that my ethernet & wireless setups are not bottlenecks. Once you factor in the hard drive and ram, the Foxconn box easily costs twice as much as the XIOS. OpenElec has also been in development for this platform for quite a while; XBMC-Linux for the XIOS is still very young and will probably get better with each build.

Foxconn nT-A3500
Boot time: 20 seconds

USB Attached Hard Drive
  • birds (100 Mbps).mkv - Smooth playback.
  • birds (110 Mbps).mkv - Minor chop.
.
  • 20th Century Fox (33 Mbps).mkv - Smooth playback.
  • Casino Royale (49mbps).mkv - Smooth playback.

Ethernet
  • birds (100 Mbps).mkv - Smooth playback.
  • birds (110 Mbps).mkv - Minor chop.
.
  • 20th Century Fox (33 Mbps).mkv - Smooth playback.
  • Casino Royale (49mbps).mkv - Smooth playback.

Wireless
  • birds (60 Mbps).mkv - Smooth playback.
  • birds (70 Mbps).mkv - Choppy.
.
  • 20th Century Fox (33 Mbps).mkv - Smooth playback.
  • Casino Royale (49mbps).mkv - Smooth playback.

For both setups, I'm using the wireless router provided by FIOS. It supports wireless-n and gigabit ethernet. It's approximately 2 feet away from the XIOS and maybe 3 feet away from the Foxconn box.
Edited by ScottAllyn - 11/18/12 at 5:11pm
post #128 of 235
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Nicely done ScottAllyn smile.gif
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I posted this to the official Pivos forums and figured I'd cross-post it here for those of you who are interested...
I did some bandwidth testing this morning to see how the XIOS XBMC-Linux build performs. I use a bunch of the "Killa Bird Scene" files that I've gathered up from various sites as well as a clip extracted from Casino Royale and the animated 20th Century Fox logo from an Avatar Blu-ray. Here's a link to the test files:
post #129 of 235
Scott's tests show much better performance of the Linux build is vs. Android. I'll be following XIOS development and may get one to try out at this rate. Scott, I'm curious, regrading your Foxconn nT-A3500 running OpenElec, does the setup support bitstreaming hd audio? Also, how much RAM do you have in it?

Edit: Never mind, I see it in your signature smile.gif. But, still curious if HD audio is supported in your Foxconn.
post #130 of 235
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Scott, I'm curious, regrading your Foxconn nT-A3500 running OpenElec, does the setup support bitstreaming hd audio?

The hardware definitely supports it; unfortunately, the linux AMD driver does not (DTS Core is the best that you'll get right now). If you want to bitstream hd audio on a Fusion chipset, you'll have to use Windows. When I first bought the thing, I installed windows 7 and the windows flavor of XBMC on it. It ran well, tho I didn't do extensive testing with it.
post #131 of 235
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Originally Posted by ScottAllyn View Post

The XBMC-Linux firmware is pretty stable, but it's still very much an early beta; there are a lot of little issues and a number of standard XBMC features are missing. Hardware acceleration is working for a number of file formats... but definitely not all of them. Every file that I've played also has an offset audio track and there's currently no way to adjust that. They seem to be actively working on it, so I'm sure many of the issues will be resolved and the missing features will be added back in over time.
One thing that I'm not so sure about is the ethernet performance of the box itself. On my Xios, the ethernet performance is pretty bad. The last time I tested it, I think the max speed that I saw was about 13 Mbps. I was thinking that it might just be an issue with the Android install and that this Linux/XBMC install wouldn't have the same issue, but I dunno... All of my TV shows, which are typically ~10 Mbps, play back very smoothly but almost all of my movies are extremely choppy. The only movies that play back smoothly are the low bitrate ones (<11 Mbps), of which I only have a few to try. Interestingly enough, the Xios can play back the 38 Mbps Birds file with no sign of stuttering but that's a very short clip and I think the entire file gets buffered prior to playback, so it doesn't get streamed over the ?sluggish? ethernet.
I definitely wouldn't recommend purchasing a XIOS as an XBMC Box right now. Even if your files are all low bitrate, you're still going to run into the audio lag issue and other minor beta bugs. In a few months, when they get the bugs worked out and hardware acceleration working on more file formats... maybe.
Edit: One thing that I forgot to mention is that the boot time into XBMC is quite fast. It's definitely not as fast as OpenELEC on my little Foxconn box, but it's significantly faster than most of the other media streamers that I've owned (and that's an embarrassingly high number of devices).

If its anything like the A10 if you use a usb NIC adapter it plays smooth as its runs on the USB bus, And can play high bitrate rather then using the built in NIC Might be something worth testing if you have a usb adapter.
post #132 of 235
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If its anything like the A10 if you use a usb NIC adapter it plays smooth as its runs on the USB bus, And can play high bitrate rather then using the built in NIC Might be something worth testing if you have a usb adapter.

The ethernet performance under Linux is a little bit better than I'd initially thought; see the post above where I did more thorough testing. I may have still been on wireless when I did my initial testing last night... I was half asleep. biggrin.gif
post #133 of 235
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Originally Posted by ScottAllyn View Post

The ethernet performance under Linux is a little bit better than I'd initially thought; see the post above where I did more thorough testing. I may have still been on wireless when I did my initial testing last night... I was half asleep. biggrin.gif

Was this done using SMB? Thanks.
post #134 of 235
Yea, that was with SMB. I should have mentioned that in the original post. I've never noticed a difference between SMB and NFS on my own setup, but I know that some people see a big difference.
post #135 of 235
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Originally Posted by ScottAllyn View Post

The ethernet performance under Linux is a little bit better than I'd initially thought; see the post above where I did more thorough testing. I may have still been on wireless when I did my initial testing last night... I was half asleep. biggrin.gif

I assume you did have the wifi fix with these results ?
post #136 of 235
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I assume you did have the wifi fix with these results ?

Yup, tho my pre-mod and post-mod tests showed no improvement by moving the antenna to the front. This could be due to the fact that the XIOS is located just a couple of feet away from, and has direct line of sight to, the FIOS router which has a big honkin' antenna installed on it.
post #137 of 235
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Yup, tho my pre-mod and post-mod tests showed no improvement by moving the antenna to the front. This could be due to the fact that the XIOS is located just a couple of feet away from, and has direct line of sight to, the FIOS router which has a big honkin' antenna installed on it.

Thx for the reply smile.gif
post #138 of 235
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Originally Posted by ScottAllyn View Post

Yea, that was with SMB. I should have mentioned that in the original post. I've never noticed a difference between SMB and NFS on my own setup, but I know that some people see a big difference.

I tried to replicate your results with both USB and ethernet (using the files you posted). What I found:
- Over USB I had the exact same results (smooth @ 50 Mbps, very minor chop at 55Mbps)
- Over ethernet, my results were terrible. I couldn't even stream the 20 Mbps birds file without major chop. All of the files very choppy.

This is disappointing - I'm wondering if I somehow got a dud box with some kind of ethernet problems. This is running on the Linux release using SMB.
post #139 of 235
hotdogwater2, what are you connecting to via ethernet? Do you have another streamer or computer on the same network that you can do comparative ethernet testing with in order to rule out any issues with the network setup?

Your description sounds like the ethernet performance that I was getting out of the XIOS in Android... 'sorta makes me want to go back and rerun my tests under Linux to make sure that I wasn't fooling myself. I may do that in the morning.
post #140 of 235
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hotdogwater2, what are you connecting to via ethernet? Do you have another streamer or computer on the same network that you can do comparative ethernet testing with in order to rule out any issues with the network setup?
Your description sounds like the ethernet performance that I was getting out of the XIOS in Android... 'sorta makes me want to go back and rerun my tests under Linux to make sure that I wasn't fooling myself. I may do that in the morning.

I have a 1Gbps switch that connects my computer (2.5 GHz Athlon x2) to the xios. The switch is connected to a wifi-N router.

Playing the birds files, my laptop on the network doesn't stumble until around the 50Mbps mark via wifi, and plays the 110Mbps file just fine when I unplug the ethernet cable from the xios and pop it in the laptop. So it seems the network is fine, unfortunately (or fortunately, depending).
post #141 of 235
Okay, I just booted the XIOS back up into the Linux-XBMC and checked the ethernet performance. I get the same results that I reported earlier; the 38 Mbps Birds file plays smoothly and the 42 Mbps has a minor bit of chop towards the end. 'Sounds like something is whack with your XIOS. frown.gif

I added a few more test clips, including a 33 Mbps clip from Star Trek. That one crashes the XIOS XBMC immediately if I hit the OK button during playback.
post #142 of 235
Hello,

I just bought a Pivos Xios and I must say that I am really disappointed, my biggest issue with it how slow it is, I updated the firmware to the ICS-060412 version and it was horrible, when I tried to go to the youtube page it took forever to load the page and when trying to load videos, it was non responding for a while (could not use youtube controls, sound video quality etc...)

I figured that maybe it was a problem with Ice cream sandwich so I installed the gingerbread image instead GB-042812, it was slightly faster but when trying to load youtube videos, it was always out of sync !

I also found the sense remote quite unpractical, I could not find in the settings how to adjust it.

I think I will have no choice but to return it
post #143 of 235
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Originally Posted by snowdon06 View Post

Hello,
I just bought a Pivos Xios and I must say that I am really disappointed, my biggest issue with it how slow it is, I updated the firmware to the ICS-060412 version and it was horrible, when I tried to go to the youtube page it took forever to load the page and when trying to load videos, it was non responding for a while (could not use youtube controls, sound video quality etc...)
I figured that maybe it was a problem with Ice cream sandwich so I installed the gingerbread image instead GB-042812, it was slightly faster but when trying to load youtube videos, it was always out of sync !
I also found the sense remote quite unpractical, I could not find in the settings how to adjust it.
I think I will have no choice but to return it

You shouldn't have such issues (even without readjusting the antenna)
try reinstalling the ICS firmware in panic recovery, don't install the optional app back and get YT from here: http://www.pivosforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=837
if you are on wifi do the antenna replacement mod: http://www.pivosforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=874
if your issues still exist over both wifi and ethernet I would say get the unit replaced.

Best of luck,
post #144 of 235
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XBMC-Linux 082412 is out ..

xios-xbmc.png
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I just posted couple of questions on official forum so posting them here too.

1. How DLNA performance over wireless network?
2. What is the max x264 bit-rate it can handle? can it play x264 High@L4.1 encodes? (probably yes)
3. Is stock remote support motion gestures like Diamond AMP 1000? (probably yes)
4. Is the platform become stable or does it still has known lagging/crashing issues?
5. How is subtitles support?
6. What type of web cam can I use with it?
7. Will any usb and bluetooth keyboard and mouse work with it?
8. How good is wifi performance/range? (I saw couple of people fixing the antenna)
9. Does it support stereo or 5.1 analog/digital audio output ports? except HDMI? (probably not by seeing the pics)
10. Does it support HDMI-CEC?
11. Regarding latest firmware release "DTS/DTS-MA Core/DD passthrough support" can my TV (Bravia CX-520) will be able to receive it as it can play DTS and DD codec if a movie is played directly on it and then I can connect my 5.1 speakers via optical out.
12. Is the CPU 800mhz or 1.2Ghz?
13. Can it play DVD and BD ISO now?

Please share your experience
post #146 of 235
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Ethernet
  • birds (38 Mbps).mkv - Smooth playback.
  • birds (42 Mbps).mkv - Minor chop.
I can confirm this result. In testing, I was able to play the 40Mbps Jellyfish test video over ethernet (via NFS from a NAS) without problems, however the 50MBps video was choppy and stopped to re-buffer. It appears the ethernet port maxes out at 40MBps.
post #147 of 235
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I can confirm this result. In testing, I was able to play the 40Mbps Jellyfish test video over ethernet (via NFS from a NAS) without problems, however the 50MBps video was choppy and stopped to re-buffer. It appears the ethernet port maxes out at 40MBps.

Doubtfully Ethernet is the bottleneck at this bit rate, its the decoding capabilities of the hardware, don't think you can't get past that with local (USB) playback. Its really surprising the hardware is capable of 40mbps MKV ..!!
post #148 of 235
With my setup & the 082412 firmware, the 35 Mbps Jellyfish file is buttery smooth over NFS while the 40 Mbps file is a little bit choppy. Over USB, my XIOS can play the 55 Mbps file with no issues but the 60 Mbps Jellyfish file has just a hint of choppiness. The 60 Mbps file is High@L5.0 which the Pivos guys say is definitely not supported.
Edited by ScottAllyn - 9/1/12 at 6:23pm
post #149 of 235
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With my setup & the 082412 firmware, the 35 Mbps Jellyfish file is buttery smooth over NFS while the 40 Mbps file is a little bit choppy. Over USB, my XIOS can play the 55 Mbps file with no issues but the 60 Mbps Jellyfish file has just a hint of choppiness. The 60 Mbps file is High@L5.0 which the Pivos guys say is definitely not supported.

Is the GUI in XBMC under Linux snappy? What about subtitle support? Have you tried Plex with it? Can the Xios discover smb and/or NFS shares under Linux or Android?

Philip
post #150 of 235
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Is the GUI in XBMC under Linux snappy? What about subtitle support? Have you tried Plex with it? Can the Xios discover smb and/or NFS shares under Linux or Android?
Philip

I haven't spent a lot of time with it since my OpenELEC box is currently a much better solution, but...

The GUI with the default skin is pretty snappy. There's a slight pause when entering the library sections, but I probably wouldn't have even noticed it if I didn't have the OpenELEC box to compare it to.

I haven't tested subtitle support, but from what I've seen in the Pivos forums, it seems to be pretty good, at least with common formats.

I haven't tried Plex with it yet.

Under Linux (which is the only testing that I've done since the Android UI on a television makes me want to throw my remote out the window) XBMC was able to discover my SMB shares but not my NFS shares; I had to add the NFS shares manually. OpenELEC didn't have any trouble discovering my NFS shares, so I don't think it's my setup.
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