I hate the new AVS :( - Page 8

After reading your lengthy post I believe this is one time where the aged cliche "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem." applies. The new AVS is here to stay. Please use your talents to help. In the end I believe you will be much happier.

Thank you. That was a fine example of the patronizing condescension I was talking about. I wish I could say I was happy to see it spreading to the membership.

I accept that not everyone may share my opinion, why can't you do the same? Why must I stop voicing my opinion because I don't share your opinion? Why is it that you believe I'll be happier once I accept an opinion that isn't mine? Why am I "the problem" for speaking my mind, but you are part of "the solution" for speaking yours? Why does using my "talents to help" mean I must adopt your opinion, and further it, instead of following my own belief of what is right? Those are just a few of the obvious flaws in your trite argument. You're essentially telling me to stop thinking for myself and to fall into line, and I find that pretty damn insulting on multiple levels.
Edited by IronCamel - 7/7/12 at 9:25pm

+10000

Yep, it sucks...period...

I'm kinda curious as to why Huddles hasn't worked out the kinks with all the other sites they've moved over to their platform. I was under the impression that some of the reductions in operating costs and time came from increased efficiency through the reduction of redundant processes. Finding one bug and rolling out a fix across all Huddler sites seems to be Huddler's sales pitch, but it seems as if this isn't happening.



If I can offer an unrelated suggestion - make the search results and the listing of subscribed threads appear as threads in a forum do. There's too much visual inconsistency amongst thread listings, search results and subscribed threads, and this makes it harder for many people (including myself) to navigate.

Hi all...

Until AVS Went live, from what I have seen, the subscribed threads really was not an issue to others sites.

But yes, it is going to be changed. It is not a simple over the night fix based on it must work for all sites, over 30, on the platform. So, it can not just be "adjusted", it actually needs to recoded, tested, tested against other sites, and then finely released.

AVS is a different monster from other sites, we, and our members, require and ask for things that others sites may not have given a second thought about.

The point here was that the issues was brought up over and over again at every chance it seems even if the post above it had nothing really to do with the issue. I wanted to be sure he, and others, knew things were doing done to address it put to pile on just for the sake of again pushing buttons does not help. IT is one thing to speak your mind, it is another way on how it is done. Heck, if no one did not say anything, nothing would be getting fixed. So thanks for pointing us to the issue areas.

BTW...People are ALWAYS faster to complain than to commend. Ask yourself this...when was the last time at a restaurant you asked for a manager? Oh, and by this...I mean asked for one to say how wonderful the serving staff was vs complaining. I make a habit of do this when service is good. Not the same case here, but the point was, people always tend to complain. It's easier. And if you really look, the number of people that are doing that are the same people mostly that make up most of the thread. Others are going about the site doing what they came to do. Read and post. (Though buttons are the same at least. )

While the other "in support of thread" is low in replies, I would 100% expect that for the same reasons.

BTW...The thread that others have pointed to about the poll and how much people hate it...The poll was started the day after conversion, and most of the poll votes where made within 3 to 4 days of the thread starting. So yes, would expect it to be high. So in other words, people can not change their vote even if they now like the site or are used to it even though they have publicly stated that they now are fine with it or can live with it. It was the "shock".

All in all, changes are still being worked on..WE ARE LISTENING and making changes. From the subscription notices, to the search, to the big move to HTML5. From the visited link color to the messed up gallery section and a lot of smaller items in the background.

Final thought...Posts counts are DOWN...yes. That is mostly do to the time of the year (we always drop off) but also the weather impacts on the nation. The site traffic is UP meaning per Google Analytics, we are seeing more visitors than we have before the conversion.

So thank you for all your feedback. We hope for you to see changes for the positive in some of these areas in the near future. (No, I do not have a timeline.)

IronCamel, you are not literally a part of the proplem. I am not advocating strangling freedom of speech. You are obviously are an intelligent, well informed person. Such talents can be helpful in any situation. Rooting out performance issues is the very first step in bringing any product or service up to full speed. After that the solution development process begins. Some issues are more easy to correct that others. I am sure we both agree the last thing we want is a hasty programming change that could potentially worsen the problem.

Sincerely, your pointt is understood. Your right to speak your peace is being honored. Now with your opinon given turn your passion to finding a way to be supportive. It is not always easy yet it can be done. Just so you know I served from 1972 to 1992 in our nations military. I am an ardent supporter of individual rights and freedoms. My wife can tell you that I definately speak my piece. Sometimes my own opinion is, well, given with excess passion. In my 58 years on this earth I am still learning. Still needing to be less critical and more willing to discover the ever elusive solution.

If you ever want to discuss any topic, not just about AVS, simply send me a PM. This is a sincere, honest and true offer.


49Merc

I think what most people really want is the idea that their concerns are being heard and that progress is being made.

I think that is clearly the case here with you and the rest of the staff at AVS and even at Huddler.

Personally, even though some of my previous habits now longer apply with the new platform and I never was a big user of subscriptions and email notifications and some of the other things some people have the most angst about, I've discovered a lot of great tools or usability options on the new platform that I now like and use all the time.

My habits and use of the site are now different but I can really start now to see the advantages and I sure as heck would not like going back to the old platform at all.

I guess I can see the sincerity that David Bott and the mods and the others here have shown in the transition and not only do I think I understand why the change took place, but I'm a bit more zen and patient about the changes coming over time.

Its better than I expected quite frankly at this point in time. Not perfect but getting better and moving in the right direction.

I wish you luck in getting it all sorted out, David. We're a picky, stubborn bunch like no other that Huddles has ever seen.

Now that Huddler has their "prize piece" they'll finally understand that not all sites like the take it or leave it cookie-cutter approach.

I have to backspace 3-5 times to back up.

David,

In the first place, he was responding to another's comment. (Isn't that the whole point of such fora?)
In the second place, what hes said was--and is--true. The site was not--and still is not--ready for prime time. It was evidently launched with very little forethouhgt.

"We have already said that it is being worked on being redone. And no, I do not have a timeline for it. . . It will be addressed."
That is really not much of a response: "Yeah, when we get around to it. Keep yer shirt on. And shut up."

The emperor's got no clothes, but we're not supposed to notice?

Thanks... Unless you have read the posts the member had made over and over and over, you would not know he and the issues was responded to over and over again. He was responded to a comment on the number of postings, not on subscriptions, but once again used the post to point out an issue he does not like and used it in a way to say that is why he does not post. Not that he should not, we asked for people to help out. But their comes a time when a person brings up the same thing at each chance, well, it becomes to much at all other than to pile on more or of the same.

I said it is being addressed but I do not have a timeline. It is fact. Now if I did not say anything, well, then you would wonder if we are listening and reading and that clearly is not the case. The fact is, these things take time and it is being worked on.

Until AVS went live, this has not been an issue for any other 30 sites that run it that I am aware. I was not even aware of the issue as I do not use digests. I also could not test it as in the sandbox area for development did not send out emails based. (we had live data and thus turned off the email system so notices etc were not sent to users that were not in the sandbox.) All in all, once we got word of the issue, it was looked at, agreed with, it was brought up and it is being worked on. It was a good response, for if you know me, I am not one to make statements just to make them to "shut people up". Heck, I could say everything that everyone does not like is being worked on, but that simply is not the case and thus I would not say such a thing. I do not take this lightly.

All in all. It was ready to the point that I gave the OK to move forward. We invited 300+ members into the sandbox for testing for two months before it was kicked off. Even with that, some things were not seen or commented on and thus we act on the remarks made the best we can. The site is progressing and Huddler has every reason for this to succeed as I would want it to for the members.

BTW...As a side note I like, Keenan. No reason not to. As such, I was asking him to please stop beating the same drum. He, as well as others, have been heard on the issue.

Thanks again.

And thank you all again for your help.

(NOTE...We have a Live Activity Feed for not only your subscriptions but also forums and other areas. We also now have a totally built in Gallery (vs a 3rd party plug in so to speak. Both of these were recently announced that Vb would be adding these by years end. I mention this only as a fact that we are trying to innovate some new items vs staying the same. And these two items alone show that the thought on items that could be good for a community are right on for Vb to start to make ver 1 of those.) But yes, I will be the fitst to say, their are items that surely need to be addressed. My Few ... The Search and the Subscription Notices in a better format. Also some more tweaks to the format of the pages. And don't get me started on how much harder it is for the mods and admins as we do not have the tools we once had that I myself had added in. You think you got it bad. )

Take care, keep safe.

Stop whining you crybaby.

j/k

I love it! Panasonic Black background Spacing between posts, the older threads were a bit harder on the eyes. I believe this is the same style as head-fi right?

There are always bugs when you move into a new home, deal with it!

I wish he would let me proof read his posts before he clicks submit. Looks like the automatic spelling and grammar checker bought the farm... again.
Edited by rich3fan - 7/9/12 at 11:09am

What is the complaint about the subscriptions? I can access them with no issue from FireFox at work and Chrome and IE at home. It gives me the same info as before. Only instead of going to User CP I need to click on subscriptions.

It is about the notices received via email. Mostly a daily digest format. (or lack of formatting.)

Why not design / host / pay for your own forum .. ??

I actually like the new forum style and options, but David, can you give me back my retro colors??? The black or white backgrounds are too hard to see.....

Try this.

Looks like I've kicked up quite a crapstorm here!


I won't bring it up anymore as by now I've gotten used to not having it anyway.

Ok, great. I will let the team know you are all set.







Just kidding.

I'm very glad to see we both still have our sense of humor!

Ok. I get those but I never look at them anymore since I get so many of them.

EDIT: I just looked at the new email format. This is so much better than before!!! Before the change I would get dozens and dozens of updates a day. And a heck of a lot more when I had it set for instant notification.
I can finally start looking at these emails again. This is so much better having everything in one email than having a separate email for each thread.

+1 well said.

It just seems to me that when the owner of a site takes the time to respond and then essentially gets slammed for it by a user, the user must be a .. you fill in the blank ..

That's not what I've been complaining about. What we don't get anymore is the daily by forum listing of new threads and updated threads. These emails would also list the thread starter. (One of the reasons I loved this method is that it made it very easy to follow AVS member lwright84's posting of new films, now I have to search through the forum itself to hunt them down.)

I can't even find the original post, but the 2 images below show exactly what I mean. The first image is what we get now, and the second is what we used to get. Both images have been clipped for space. Notice the top image has every post for every forum dumped into one email. The second image lists only those postings in the one main forum, in this example the DVD Movie, Concerts, and Music Discussion forum. You would receive 1 email per day for every main forum you subscribed to.

This is a disaster to try and read. Its impossible to spend time here without getting a headache.

Someone is killing AVS.

I don't think Huddler was expecting a group of such picky users when they had AVS in mind as their "prize takeover".

Perhaps they should have just stuck with less technical sites like skiing and raising backyard chickens.

+1
I'm spending significantly less time at AVS with the new layout being the only reason
I'd be interested to see what our numbers are, for example compared to the same time last year.....