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post #31 of 472
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Other than the pristine space walk scenes (it's glorius with the JVC black contrasting with the white space suits), the movie was such a trite but I do see similarities in both.
The conga line in space wasn't trite, but I did chuckle the first time I saw it.

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post #32 of 472
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

Another pregnant woman had her stomach cut open with a box cutter with her intestines falling out in her hands because her crazy neighbor wanted to steal her baby yet she was able to fight her and escape.
I'm not familiar with that particular victim's injury but for example, if the abdomen muscle is cut vertically, the person can still use the abs to balance the body but when it's cut horizontally and as wide as it's shown in this movie, it simply cannot do its function (contract) to keep the upper body from falling backward no matter the amount of adrenaline or painkiller.
post #33 of 472
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Originally Posted by bcruiser View Post

I'm not familiar with that particular victim's injury but for example, if the abdomen muscle is cut vertically, the person can still use the abs to balance the body but when it's cut horizontally and as wide as it's shown in this movie, it simply cannot do its function (contract) to keep the upper body from falling backward no matter the amount of adrenaline or painkiller.

It was 4 days before my wife could get up after a C-section.
post #34 of 472
Seems like there were more things in this movie to get hung up on than whether or not Naoimi could run after a c-section.
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Years of watching 24 conditioned me to accept someone doing something overtly physical shortly after any sort of relatively traumatic injury. Noomi Rapace = JACK F**KING BAUER!!!
post #36 of 472
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

I know where you're coming from and this also seems to be one of the things people can't wrapped their head around. Remember she was full on in freak out survival mode with adrenalin in full bursts. I myself had gall bladder surgery and hours later they kicked me out of my bed and said get dressed and go home. I couldn't believe it either but I did it walked out of there and I wasn't freaking out or giving birth to a alien fetus.
Lastly, have you or anyone watched that show I survived on A & E? Then you would know people have been mauled my bears with their brains and guts hanging out of their stomachs and yet they had the will to run and fight. This lady had been shot 3 times blank range in the head and survived. Another pregnant woman had her stomach cut open with a box cutter with her intestines falling out in her hands because her crazy neighbor wanted to steal her baby yet she was able to fight her and escape. If you watched any of the episodes then you know there are many, many instances just like this or worst. When you're under immense duress of survival mode your body is capable of things you couldn't fathom.

Or maybe there were heavy gamma rays that day....the show mentioned above reminds me a bit of the old BIll Bixby INCREDIBLE HULK series - harnessing superhuman strength during moments of heavy stress (with the added fun of potential gamma bursts happening @ the same time) was what the TV version of Dr Banner was studying.
post #37 of 472
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Seems like there were more things in this movie to get hung up on than whether or not Naoimi could run after a c-section.
No big deal. In the future where they can space travel like they do in this movie, I'm ok with assuming that they have something that can fuse the severed muscles instantly.
post #38 of 472
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No big deal. In the future where they can space travel like they do in this movie, I'm ok with assuming that they have something that can fuse the severed muscles instantly.

That's exactly how I took it. Injections just added to the the 'science fiction' of it all.

FFS, a squid just came out of her stomach - wouldn't that be a little more of a problem than the fact that she could run from it after!
post #39 of 472
I'm wondering what the squid was eating to grow so quickly. What exactly was the food source in that sterile surgical room?
post #40 of 472
Hormons and blood.
post #41 of 472
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Originally Posted by ballen420 View Post

Seems like there were more things in this movie to get hung up on than whether or not Naoimi could run after a c-section.

I really enjoyed the movie but this caused facepalm after facepalm for me with each additional feat she did in the last 20 minutes of the movie. Maybe, in the future they have a way of fusing muscles back together and then stapling for extra support but that is not shown well enough for me. The heroics of doing the c-section and getting out of the pod back to safety quickly turn absurd as she is not just running, I could live with that, but jumping and landing on her gut and pulling herself up in all sorts of physically demanding ways? Perhaps if I had not been exposed to a c-section prior, I probably would have just blown this off. But those muscles are cut and just seems like too big a risk to put that in a movie without being plausible or MADE to seem plausible with just a bit of extra narrative.


That said, I really hope he is able to do the sequel.biggrin.gif
post #42 of 472
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I'm wondering what the squid was eating to grow so quickly. What exactly was the food source in that sterile surgical room?

That's one of the biggest plot holes in terms of violating the laws of physics. The creature would have to process lot of raw material in order to fuel such an incredible growth spurt, let alone some hyper-turbocharged form of cell division that still has to be DNA based. Mass can't be created out of nothing. Funny how that bothers me more than FTL travel or artificial gravity; guess I've just becomed accustomed to those in sci-fi movies/TV as unavoidable.
post #43 of 472
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That's one of the biggest plot holes in terms of violating the laws of physics. The creature would have to process lot of raw material in order to fuel such an incredible growth spurt, let alone some hyper-turbocharged form of cell division that still has to be DNA based. Mass can't be created out of nothing.

Not to mention doing it in 1-3 hours. Guess they serve up some killer barbeque in the Op Room.
post #44 of 472
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post #45 of 472
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

That's one of the biggest plot holes in terms of violating the laws of physics. The creature would have to process lot of raw material in order to fuel such an incredible growth spurt, let alone some hyper-turbocharged form of cell division that still has to be DNA based. Mass can't be created out of nothing.
That's a 30+ year old debate, isn't it? We saw that when Alien came out in 79. There must have been some kind of reasonable explanation on that aspect of alien life form during those years... I'll bet it's out there somewhere.
post #46 of 472
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

I really enjoyed the movie but this caused facepalm after facepalm for me with each additional feat she did in the last 20 minutes of the movie.
That said, I really hope he is able to do the sequel.biggrin.gif

Yeah, since I brushed off her ability to get out of the OR, I didn't really think about her jumping a crevase and pulling herself up after she barely makes it. I can definitely see where it would bother people. Funny how I was able to believe it to be a miracle machine, but while I'm watching it performing the operation I'm thinking to myself it's just a bunch of rudimentary devices attached to robotic arms. I think I was focusing on everything else going on and managed to let that one slide.

I really hated the two lost scientists - those scenes should have been on the cutting board. A geologist who has probes to explore the entire cave system and was giving direction at the beginning can't seem to find his way out? Not to mention what happens to him in the end - well, I can't really mention it cause I still have no clue WTF was going on there. On top of that, a botanist (?) decides to play wubby wubby with an alien serpent? And once it appears to be hostile/on the defensive, he continues? Weren't these two clowns just crying to get out of there before they got lost? At least we had some kind of attachment to the 'bait' in Alien, where these guys could have tripped into a geyser at the beginning and I wouldn't have cared.

This movie had the potential to be an instant classic, but some decisions/scenes were borderline AVP material. I still thoroughly enjoyed it and see myself watching it multiple times, but you can't help to wonder what could have been. Hopefully the director's cut smooths over some of the shortcomings.
post #47 of 472
I actually enjoyed Aliens vs Predator more than this movie. At least the ridiculous premise, goofey story, bad acting, terrible script and timeline defying action were overcome by the simple fact that you knew who would live about 6 minutes into the movie. Everyone else was just food. Once it was established that we were playing "and then there were 3", it was fun. This movie even took the fun out of that part as the "who's next" was always obvious. It was almost like being on the shuttle at the Airport .. "Next Stop Terminal B ... Delta, United, Geologist gets eaten"
post #48 of 472
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Originally Posted by JMCecil View Post

I actually enjoyed Aliens vs Predator more than this movie. At least the ridiculous premise, goofey story, bad acting, terrible script and timeline defying action were overcome by the simple fact that you knew who would live about 6 minutes into the movie. Everyone else was just food. Once it was established that we were playing "and then there were 3", it was fun. This movie even took the fun out of that part as the "who's next" was always obvious. It was almost like being on the shuttle at the Airport .. "Next Stop Terminal B ... Delta, United, Geologist gets eaten"

Ha-Ha good one, I just watched AvP for th 1st time yesterday with much excitement and not expecting much but it was a joke and no way deserves to be in the same breath as Prometheus so I know you're either trolling or just really bad taste. It's comments like this or the other one belittling down to Mission to mars is sadly desperation and futile. The dvd transfer was near perfection and flawless for 2004 though I give it that much.
post #49 of 472
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Originally Posted by bcruiser View Post

No big deal. In the future where they can space travel like they do in this movie, I'm ok with assuming that they have something that can fuse the severed muscles instantly.
Yep.
post #50 of 472
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

Ha-Ha good one, I just watched AvP for th 1st time yesterday with much excitement and not expecting much but it was a joke and no way deserves to be in the same breath as Prometheus so I know you're either trolling or just really bad taste. It's comments like this or the other one belittling down to Mission to mars is sadly desperation and futile. The dvd transfer was near perfection and flawless for 2004 though I give it that much.



I saw AvS at the theater, the only thing I can remember from that movies were the Pyramids which suppose to had all these design elements from the Mayas, Egyptian, etc..Oh and Bishop was into..The rest was a blur, I think my mind wiped it out to prevent any senior age reoccurrences, (not something I want to recall in my golden age! rolleyes.gif) Besides it seem they made those for 12-17 year old boys. Lucky I was with my son how seem to enjoy it, he fit that age group at the time.


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post #51 of 472
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

Ha-Ha good one, I just watched AvP for th 1st time yesterday with much excitement and not expecting much but it was a joke and no way deserves to be in the same breath as Prometheus so I know you're either trolling or just really bad taste. It's comments like this or the other one belittling down to Mission to mars is sadly desperation and futile. The dvd transfer was near perfection and flawless for 2004 though I give it that much.
Unfortunately I'm not trolling. I thought the movie was barely enjoyable. It looked great and sounded great as long as you didn't want any of the things you were seeing or hearing actually mean anything. The story was a total rip off/recycle (M2M). The acting, dialog and scene editing were bad (AvP). The characters were barely even 1 dimensional (with the exception of the android).

The funny part is I DID enjoy the movie. But I enjoyed it in the same way that I enjoyed AvP. I wanted to enjoy it the same way I enjoyed Children of Men.
post #52 of 472
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Originally Posted by JMCecil View Post

Unfortunately I'm not trolling. I thought the movie was barely enjoyable. It looked great and sounded great as long as you didn't want any of the things you were seeing or hearing actually mean anything. The story was a total rip off/recycle (M2M). The acting, dialog and scene editing were bad (AvP). The characters were barely even 1 dimensional (with the exception of the android).
The funny part is I DID enjoy the movie. But I enjoyed it in the same way that I enjoyed AvP. I wanted to enjoy it the same way I enjoyed Children of Men.

I watched Alien 2 days ago... the characters were way more one dimensional than they are Prometheus. Ripley got depth only because we have 4 movies and 30+ years to analyze her. Acting in Prometheus can't be compared to these AvP flicks, so you take that back,now.wink.gif I enjoyed it more than Children Of Men by the way, which I liked a lot fwiw except I'm no Clive Owen fan, but AvP? damn!tongue.gif
post #53 of 472
one question my son and i had after viewing the movie about those jugs stored on the engineers ship



were they explosive bombs, or were they the seeds or spawn of the embryonic alien lifeform that had been bred by the engineers specifically to eliminate homo sapiens, or
were they filled with some sort of toxic black gunk that would poison all life on earth.

not clear on this at all. and didn't one of the crew members touch one
of those jugs and ended up with an alien embryo after him.?
post #54 of 472
I got the impression that the black goo in those jars were a chemical re-boot for animal life on a planet. Drop a few thousand jars, current life is wiped out and (over the course of eons) newly engineered life takes it place. The notion of wiping out your own creation and starting (somewhat) fresh has been done before in religion (e.g., Noah's ark).
post #55 of 472
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Originally Posted by jwebb1970 View Post

Years of watching 24 conditioned me to accept someone doing something overtly physical shortly after any sort of relatively traumatic injury. Noomi Rapace = JACK F**KING BAUER!!!

It almost makes sense if you say it that way! biggrin.gif

LIZ F**KING SHAW!!!
post #56 of 472
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

one question my son and i had after viewing the movie about those jugs stored on the engineers ship
were they explosive bombs, or were they the seeds or spawn of the embryonic alien lifeform that had been bred by the engineers specifically to eliminate homo sapiens, or
were they filled with some sort of toxic black gunk that would poison all life on earth.
not clear on this at all. and didn't one of the crew members touch one
of those jugs and ended up with an alien embryo after him.?

Biological agent was my take. Weapon or not is to be determined.
post #57 of 472
I believe it was a biological agent as well, but one that reacted differently depending on the person/being interacting with it. Good came from it in the engineers hands while the opposite came from it in the hands/presense of humans (and nothing when the android interacted with it).
post #58 of 472
The question of rapid alien growth was pondered and a possible answer was given here:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/movie-talk/602028-prometheus-aka-scott-2012-reviews-thread-18.html#post11267411
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Nugent View Post

The question of rapid alien growth was pondered and a possible answer was given here:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/movie-talk/602028-prometheus-aka-scott-2012-reviews-thread-18.html#post11267411
Theoretically speaking, because of their speed of growth, likely its lifespan will be short.
post #60 of 472
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Nugent View Post

The question of rapid alien growth was pondered and a possible answer was given here:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/movie-talk/602028-prometheus-aka-scott-2012-reviews-thread-18.html#post11267411

..besides, we can assume their metabolism works slightly differently than ours. By ours I mean Earth living organisms, not just humans.
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