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post #391 of 472
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

The copilots should have been removed from the script, they serve no purpose to the story.
I disagree, Swede. For a journey that long, backups would have been needed.

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post #392 of 472
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

I disagree, Swede. For a journey that long, backups would have been needed.

Im not talking about the more practical usage of copilots, just that you should always limit the number of characters in your story as much as you can. David could very well have had the copilot duty.
post #393 of 472
^ True.
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post #395 of 472
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Originally Posted by vision-master View Post

The 'Prometheus' Movie, the Nummo, and Human Origins
"directed by Cameron, I guess and the name of the movie is Prometheus" frown.gif Starting off on the wrong foot.
post #396 of 472
Okay. I skipped from page four of this thread to the end. If I'm saying anything that's been covered in pages 5-13, I apologize.

WHY DID THE ENGINEERS WANT TO KILL US:

They didn't. Not per se. The entire Engineer ship was a sleeping "pyramid" of sorts. The assumption that their WMD backfired or got out of hand was an incorrect assumption. The engineers knew exactly what they were doing. This was an alien race that was no stranger to ritual sacrifice (opening sequence of seeding Earth.) They planned for the alien weapon to eat the rank and file Engineers, just like the builders of the Egyptian pyramids were entombed alive with the body of the dead kings.

Remember, the starfish facehugger aliens didn't know how to work a door. The cobra worms didn't know how to work a door. It was an Engineer who closed the ship door on his escaping brethren.

As long as there was one Engineer left to drive the ship... when the ship was finally found, the trap was sprung.

The whole purpose of planet LV-216, and the ships, and the WMDs was to sit there and wait until it was found by a seeded planet that had advanced to the point where they could find the Engineers. At that point, they were too close to the "Gods" and the automated self-destruct domino mechanism fell into place before they (seeded planet) could surpass and threaten the Engineer Gods.



WHICH MEANS:

Shaw and David are flying away in a ship that has the same deadly cargo, headed for LV-426, home of the Engineers, delivering the deadly apocalypse to the Engineer Gods instead of vice versa.

WHICH ALSO MEANS:

Shaw and David had to step over another stasis Engineer to fly out, even if they avoided the WMD monsters and went straight to the cockpit. Which would be a giant plot hole unless there's a scene of them killing the Engineer as soon as/before it woke from stasis sleep in the next movie..
Edited by cshawnmcdonald - 10/10/12 at 10:30am
post #397 of 472
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Originally Posted by cshawnmcdonald View Post

WHICH MEANS:
Shaw and David are flying away in a ship that has the same deadly cargo, headed for LV-426, home of the Engineers, delivering the deadly apocalypse to the Engineer Gods instead of vice versa.
WHICH ALSO MEANS:

LV-426 was not the homeplanet of the Engineers. It was a planet were one Engineer ship crashed.
post #398 of 472
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

LV-426 was not the homeplanet of the Engineers. It was a planet were one Engineer ship crashed.

Naw. The irony of "Prometheus" killing off the Gods is just too ironic a twist not to capitalize on.

How much exploration of LV-426 was done in A1 or A2? Not much. Maybe they are subterranean. They certainly don't tan well.

The ship in A1 is actually the ship being flown by Shaw/Ridley/a Stasis Engineer to be named later (the main antagonist of P2, maybe?)
post #399 of 472
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Originally Posted by cshawnmcdonald View Post


The ship in A1 is actually the ship being flown by Shaw/Ridley/a Stasis Engineer to be named later (the main antagonist of P2, maybe?)

That ship crashed long before the events of Prometheus.
post #400 of 472
Quod scripsi, scripsi.


We'll find out in 2014.
post #401 of 472
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

That ship crashed long before the events of Prometheus.

I believe in comments Scott has re-conned that to around the same time as the incident on LV223. Dallas says the SJ was fossilized, which would take a very long time and exposure to water and minerals, but that's not really possible. Write it off as him being a layman and meaning "mummified"...
Edited by TyrantII - 10/10/12 at 12:36pm
post #402 of 472
Everybody who believes that Lindeloff really knew why the polar bear was in the Jungle when he wrote the first episode of Lost, please raise your hand.

post #403 of 472
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

I believe in comments Scott has re-conned that to around the same time as the incident on LC223. Dallas says the SJ was fossilized, which would take a very long time and exposure to water and minerals, but that's not really possible. Write it off as him being a layman and meaning "mummified"...
Nice observation.

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Everybody who believes that Lindeloff really knew why the polar bear was in the Jungle when he wrote the first episode of Lost, please raise your hand.
LOL, not me.tongue.gif
post #404 of 472
Anyone with opinion on the disc? I for one felt that second or multiple viewing after all these debates helps, especially when you can rewind, replay, freeze and ...etc. For those who ranted about the biologist, there are subtle details beforehand that kinda gives away some things about him.
post #405 of 472
Well the deleted/alternate scenes did -- indeed -- provide a lot of insight.


As you mentioned, the scene with the biologist who got eht by the snake made more sense with the deleted scene of him collecting little worms.

I liked the longer tense scene with Shaw hiding in the escape pod from the Engineer.

And, of course, I didn't get that the critical opening scene was the seeding of Earth until I saw it twice.

The one scene that I'm glad Scott cut was when Shaw and Charlie got in a vicious slap fight and ended up rolling in the sack. THAT was cliche and stupid.

And I don't know why they changed Lizard Fifield's attack into big headed bigfoot Fifield. The lizard Fifield was better.
post #406 of 472
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And I don't know why they changed Lizard Fifield's attack into big headed bigfoot Fifield. The lizard Fifield was better.

There is a commentary for each deleted scene.
post #407 of 472
The deleted scenes are interesting.

Unfortunately, the theatrical cut is what it is.
Remember folks....RS declined to do a "Director's Cut" or an "Extended Cut" for this video release.

Revisionism aside....this is RS's Prometheus.wink.gif
post #408 of 472
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

The deleted scenes are interesting.
Unfortunately, the theatrical cut is what it is.
Remember folks....RS declined to do a "Director's Cut" or an "Extended Cut" for this video release.
Revisionism aside....this is RS's Prometheus.wink.gif

Its the 124 minute directors cut. By listening to the commentaries we do get some info that they had time constraints. Let RS make a version were he doesnt need to keep it under a certain length. I I do understand why some scenes didnt work for the final product. But some tweaks could improve this movie. Its faster paced then its need to be (Not counting the snake scene that could improve by shortening the attack, think im gonna try and make an alternate cut myself smile.gif )
post #409 of 472
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

Dear bcruiser,
First, our fearless scientists embark on a lengthy journey. Why? Well, they don't know....Better yet, my solution: When Weyland makes his presentation to them via holograph, he could have simply told them all they were lied to as far as why they were going, then Holloway explains the real reason...or at least the reason they think is the real reason. What could they do, go home?
Second, the behavior of the scientists. The geoligist Fifield and biologist Millburn are supposedly professionals paid a huge amount of money (we don't know for sure), and they've been on an expedition costing them that long of their lives...now they see a long dead alien body and decide they're just going to go back to the ship. Forget everything. We're sitting this one out. Believable and reasonable that is not. How about if they expressed concern and even shock, but kept it together. But how would they get separated from the others so they could do more stupid sh*t, you ask? Big area they were in. Seems logical that they could have simply explored another tunnel or room that didn't have a dead body at the entrance if they wanted. I mean, Fifield was the one mapping the place with his "pops" (and also the one who gets lost by the way...)..


(I just quoted part of your response to make it clear whom I'm replying too.)

Good post. You basically summarized what's wrong with this movie, and a lot of other movies as well....which is stupid, moronic plot points that could easily be cleared up with a little rational tweaking. Why do Hollywood movies have to be so dumb? Are most directors idiot savants? I can take a little bit of implausibility and a few plot holes, but not the massive amounts you often find in actions/sci-fy films. How can so many directors/writers be so mind boggling stupid as to continuously put ridiculous plot lines in their movies? It's one of life's great mysteries.
post #410 of 472
Watched again last night and I enjoyed it more having had time for it to sink in and go over a few theories. I still feel most people who are hating it are just pissed Ripley's great grandmother wasn't the heroine and it didn't have Deckard in it.
post #411 of 472
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Originally Posted by cshawnmcdonald View Post

Well the deleted/alternate scenes did -- indeed -- provide a lot of insight.
I watched it as-is (theatrical version) and noticed subtle nuances that I didn't before.
post #412 of 472
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Originally Posted by cjsm250 View Post

Why do Hollywood movies have to be so dumb? Are most directors idiot savants?


It's one of life's great mysteries.
If you are that curious, you can read this thread from the beginning. It may or may not shed some light on your questions. It's worth a try.
post #413 of 472
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Watched again last night and I enjoyed it more having had time for it to sink in and go over a few theories. I still feel most people who are hating it are just pissed Ripley's great grandmother wasn't the heroine and it didn't have Deckard in it.
Or the real Xenomorph.
post #414 of 472
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Originally Posted by bcruiser View Post

Or the real Xenomorph.

Yet, the xenomorph has evolved, so to speak, with each Alien film. Besides, this is supposed to be a creature that uses its host in order to be brought to life. So I didn't find it much suprising (or distracting) that it wasn't exactly the same as the previous one(s), the host, this time, being even an engineer and not a human.
Edited by Morpheo - 10/11/12 at 7:14am
post #415 of 472
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Yet, the xenomorph has evolved, so to speak, with each Alien film. Besides, this is supposed to be a creature that uses its host in order to be brought to life. So I didn't find it much surprising (or distracting) that it wasn't exactly the same as the previous one(s), the host, this time, being even an engineer and not a human.

And thus, from bursting up through the ribs of "God," becomes more "godlike" in it's terrible perfection and eventually destroys and surpasses the Gods in it's own Prometheus-like evolutionary journey.
post #416 of 472
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Remember folks....RS declined to do a "Director's Cut" or an "Extended Cut" for this video release.
Revisionism aside....this is RS's Prometheus.wink.gif

Dude.

Dude!

Duuuuuuuuuude.

By the time we get past P3 and P4 and Prometheus Vs. Predator II, there will be so many versions and revisions and recuts of P1 you won't remember which version you first saw way back when in aught twelve.
post #417 of 472
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

The deleted scenes are interesting.
Unfortunately, the theatrical cut is what it is.
Remember folks....RS declined to do a "Director's Cut" or an "Extended Cut" for this video release.
Revisionism aside....this is RS's Prometheus.wink.gif

'Step Away From the Vehicle' is always a good policy after a crime.
post #418 of 472
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Originally Posted by cshawnmcdonald View Post

Dude.
Dude!
Duuuuuuuuuude.
By the time we get past P3 and P4 and Prometheus Vs. Predator II, there will be so many versions and revisions and recuts of P1 you won't remember which version you first saw way back when in aught twelve.

hehe... and people will probably be busy determining which cut is more teal... wink.gif
post #419 of 472
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

hehe... and people will probably be busy determining which cut is more teal... wink.gif



Dammit. The one morning I have a Pepsi instead of coffee and now it's burning my nostrils and soaking my shirt.
post #420 of 472
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

Its the 124 minute directors cut. By listening to the commentaries we do get some info that they had time constraints. Let RS make a version were he doesnt need to keep it under a certain length. I I do understand why some scenes didnt work for the final product. But some tweaks could improve this movie. Its faster paced then its need to be (Not counting the snake scene that could improve by shortening the attack, think im gonna try and make an alternate cut myself smile.gif )
NO doubt RS will one day do another cut for home video.
Unfortunately, he didn't this time.
However, it could be by design, especially when you consider the sequels' scripts haven't been finalized.
There probably will be a need to sync up with the upcoming films and that can be easily done with a new release of P1 in the future.

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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

I still feel most people who are hating it are just pissed Ripley's great grandmother wasn't the heroine and it didn't have Deckard in it.
Maybe so.biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by cshawnmcdonald View Post

Dude.
Dude!
Duuuuuuuuuude.
By the time we get past P3 and P4 and Prometheus Vs. Predator II, there will be so many versions and revisions and recuts of P1 you won't remember which version you first saw way back when in aught twelve.
Hey now!
THAT'S just mean.

Now....where did I put my coffee mug????tongue.gif
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