Official Samsung UNXXES7100 Thread. - Page 44

I have switched over my HDMI cables. I removed my Xbox HDMI cable from port one of the TV. I moved it over to the BD receiver and tested the 5.1 sound. I does work. To be honest, I did not fully test last night the ARC method of 5.1 sound. I will try it this way as I had it before setup prior to this new switch. Now my other question I have. Since moving the HDMI cable from the TV to the BD receiver, will my Xbox have any loss of sound or picture quality since it is routed to the BD receiver instead of direct connection to the TV? Thanks.

Since you mention boxing day I'm guessing you're in Canada? I bought a 55ES7100 on boxing day and don't have the smart hub flashing issue. I believe it's because being located in Canada the offending app does not automatically install and hence no issue.

Several posts ago I asked what resolution does the TV exhibit does it automatically up convert.to 1080p
I really did not get a definitive answer

As I am on Comcast everthing is 720p.

Acording to the author of the article at Cnet the TV upconverts everyting to 1020p

Attached is a very informative article on resolution and up converting



Subject: Re: Message from a CNET member



The TV turns everything into 1080p
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20070935-1/what-is-upconverting/

I got my 55" from costco and then returned it for a 60" and got the $200 gift card from costco at the store. The offer is at the store at well not only online. They will mail you the gift card 6 weeks after you purchase. Def. worth it.

Good Article, Do you mean the TV upconverts everything to 1080p?

All progressive scan 1080p HDTVs automatically upconvert everything to 1080p, no matter what the source.

I have DirecTV with 1080i/60 sources the TV's job is to de-interlace.

I could also output 720p, 480p and 480i and have the TV upscale or let the Set Top Box upscale (set at 1080i).

I have Xbox360 with native 720p sources that are upscaled to 1080p/60 output.

My Blu-ray player can output 1080p/24 and 1080p/60 and the Tv will proccess the signal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_scaler

Simply put, If you see any image on your TV its outputting 1920x1080 (1080p) or there will be no image at all.

Yeah was thinking of doing this but the bigger bezel and tax (in CA) made look less appealing. You don't mind bigger bezel?

I do not know if your BD receiver has any video up converting technology. Since this is a HT system I will assume that it does not. In this case, your BD receiver will just 'pass thru' the video and/or audio to the TV. Those signals should be untouched by the BD receiver. If your BD receiver has video up conversion features then you have to decide if the BD receiver is allowed(turn the feature on) to up convert or just let the TV do the processing.

My bet would be that the TV will do a better job on the video signal.

The 'native' resolution of the ES7100 is 1080P. Do not confuse native resolution with the resolution of the input signal. An input signal could be 480I, 480P, 720P or 1080P. If the input signal is already 1080P then the TV will convert it to 1080P. Some STB will allow the original video signal to be sent down stream to the TV ( like DirecTV). Other STB will convert all video to single resolution and output that resolution downstream to the TV.

Interesting, thanks. I wonder what happened in the current high end line to have them drop down so much from previous years? I've got an older B7000 set that has amazing black levels and contrast (but *ridiculous* amounts of clouding) and it seems as if the new ES7000 and 8000 sets don't even match that! I'd go for a Sony 850, which by all accounts blows away any set from Samsung across their history of displays, but the huge bezel would really be pushing it in the space I can fit the unit into.

Totally agree about the silly motion control options. It's an unneeded novelty at best, and Samsung can't even get their normal Smart hub system working properly half the time, so to see them undertaking even more complex coding work just looks like a beg for trouble. That they would bring out sets with this elaborate new feature while not bothering to take care of the basics of maintaining their previous standards of image quality baffles me.

Ok. Had my set for about 2 weeks and I'm pretty happy with it. Regarding the clouding and lighting I did give the set a "massage", nothing more than just cleaning the panel with enough pressure as you would wipe off a fingerprint smudge, and at least in my view the set looks better and lighting is minimal and when minimal it's uniform. And no clouding. I do have a December 2012 built panel. This is by the way my 3rd set although the prior 2 did not have that much lightning.

Have not really noticed it after the 2nd day. I had the same issue to at first, but that's the price you pay for a bigger tv. The size difference is def. noticeable and nice.

I am currently at version 1023, but when I try to update to 1025, I get Error Code 709: update not yet available on the server. Is there a workaround?

Comcast doesn't send everything at 720p, they send it at the original resolution. Sounds like your box is set to output at 720p only. I set my box to output at Native. That way I get 1080i for 1080i stations, 720p for 720p stations, and yes, even 1080p for 1080p in 3D no less.

Your panel is 1080, that means it can only display at 1080, nothing more, nothing less. If it is fed something different than 1080 that it understands the image is converted.

Hy Guys, in regards to upscaling automatically, I believe they do not. I just set my cable box to output nothing but 720P and my TV shows it displayed as 720P. If it had upscaled it, I would expect 1080P displayed when pressing the "INFO" button on the remote since that displays the actual TV panel resolution being currently displayed. Now on my older Samsung, I could set each resolution seperately in the setup screen menu but these settings are not provided any more. In that case, I could upscale all TV signals to 1080i by only selecting it on the TV setting screen which was the highest resolution my box puts out. To test it, I put the box again to only display 720P but the info button did display 1080I on the TV as well as it being a better hi def picture. Does this seem correct? James T... You said your cable is putting out a 720P signal. So what does your Info button show you on the TV when pressed? I bet it's 720P ... Well if I'm wrong please let me know. I just don't think we can believe every thing published!
Edited by mgh26 - 12/30/12 at 12:05am

You are correct

Comcast in this area pushes everyting out on 720 which I though originally since my post.

Subsequently I went in and changed the settings in my Tivo box with a cable card and now every channel is 1080/60i that is probably because I went in and changed the settings in the box.

I know for a fact that the native resolution for abc and Fox is 720 and they are now showing 1080i so I presume the tivo box is doing an upconvert.

As far as 1080 p I never do see that number so if the tv was upconverting to 1080 p I believe should see that on the screen when I press the info button.

I actually thought that 1080p was only available on blu ray?

You're in Port Charlotte Florida? I'm in Sarasota, I'm a Comcast technician here. What box brand do you have Cisco or SA? The HD channels are either 720p or 1080i, not all one or another they are mixed depending on the broadcaster.

How can you tell the panel build month? Is it on the box like the panel version or on the back of the set?

I'm getting real close to picking up a 55" but the price just jumped $100 today. In the scheme of things isn't a lot but I'm hoping for a nice price drop mid January.

I opted out of comcast boxes did not want to pay the rental fees, I use a tivo box with a cable card. The tivo box lets me select about 5 resolutions 480 all the way to 1080p.
The tivo tries each resolution on screen to see if it works.All mine work all the way to 1080p

Yes I agree with you I thought theFt Myers ABC would be 720p but it now reads 1080/60i so I presume the tivo is doing an upconvert from 720.

If you read the previous article I posted from CNET the author claims that boxes tradionally do a poor job of upconverting and the blu ray players and TVs are far superior doing upcoverts.

It is my understanding that you can only do upconverts with an hdmi cable color components cables do not allow that but I can not confirm that because I do not use colour component cable.

If you want to look at my set up when you are in the area you are more and welcome to drop by I will PM you my address and phone number.
Edited by James T - 12/30/12 at 8:14am

All modern digital TVs de-interlace (turn 480i, and 1080i into "p") and scale whatever signal is input to fit the display. For example, older TVs with a vertical resolution of 720, would down-convert a 1080i (most 720 TVs would not accept 1080p) input to 720. A standard definition 480i signal would be up-converted to 720p. Current TVs with a native vertical resolution of 1080 will convert all inputs to 1080p for display. If they didn't scale, inputs less than the native display resolution would display as a smaller image in the middle of the display.

The data presented when you hit the info button simply reflects the characteristics of the input signal. On a 1080 TV, if it shows anything other than 1080p the input signal will be processed to 1080p. Fortunately, the Samsung UNxxES7100 does a decent job of de-interlacing and up-converting if the settings are tweeked a little. See some of the earlier posts for help if you need it.

I was originally disappointed with the cloudy flashlight effects going on with my 60",but after reading here I tried the massage technic and low and behold my screen looks perfect! Not 1 hint of cloudiness! The screen is now perfectly uniform! Thanks to everyone here for all their input!

It's actually on the back panel of the TV. Costco has a killer price on the 7150 which comes also with a wireless keyboard for $1,950 plus a $200 Costco card.

Yeah I got the same error but I'm already at 1025 I thought I got the error because there is no newer FM version.

Glad it worked for you. I do have to agree that "massaging" this set improves the uniformity of the screen. If after the "massaging" the cloudiness or lighthing does not improve then the set should be exchanged.

uvideoluvr... Some TV's have the ability to upscale by means of software. You can select the resolution you ALWAYS want the panel to display at and it will up-convert. The ES series does not have that software selection provided. The TV just displayes the actual resolution that is being fed into it. It is just like our computer monitors. They have varoius supported resolutions that are supported. The computer video card/ user selected video settings dictate to the monitor what resolution and frequency to display and the monitor being just a dumb terminal (not that are TV's are) responds with the picture. If a lower that max resolution has been user selected, than that's what is being shown. Our TV is just doing the same thing. Yes the native resolution on the full panel (every pixel) can display up to 1080P (full screen) but will downscale to and display the picture at what ever the input signal is supplying. This is why we do not get a full screen on alot of material being viewed. My old Samsung had the software to upscale by a resolution selection menu built in the TV. This did cause the screen picture size to be displayed smaller when upscaling a lower input signal depending on the actual input. Mabye this is why Samsung has removed this selction but I'm just guessing.
Edited by mgh26 - 12/30/12 at 11:19am

Are there any special tricks or techniques to "massaging" the screen (and can it still help a set that's a few years old)? I presume the unit should be powered off first?

Thanks for the info dcontto.

I have a special request if anyone is willing. I plan on sitting the 55" on a nice piece of furniture meaning I'll be using the stand. I need to swap out my RM202 Polk center channel since it is too tall and will block part of the bottom of the new ES7100. If anyone out there has the 55" and is using the stand, could you measure the length from the bottom of the stand to where the picture begins beyond the bezel? I need to find a good center channel that isn't too tall.

Thanks!

On my 55, picture starts about the 3 & 3/4 inch mark, so not much room under. Let me know if any questions.

Man, that isn't much room to play with. Might have to put something under the stand. Not sure I want to buy one of those tiny sound bars.

Thanks mario24601!

I had the same problem with my Boston Acoustics center. The space measures about 3.25". I tried placing the speaker in front and it was blocking the lower portion of the screen and aesthetically, did not look very nice. I have since placed the speaker behind the tv stand and it seems to work nicely. I have not used my Yamaha's YAPO to set up the new 5.1 configuration yet but will soon. Try this method first and see if you like it before spending money on a new cc speaker that may not voice match your other speakers. Before I got the Samsung, I used a center channel stand combined with a stand designed for a tv and it worked well but very flimsy.
Good luck.

Still blow away by this HDTV's excellent picture quality.

Especially the motion handling.

Has the 2 min. Smart Hub flash been fixed yet?